no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[Gavron]

Roger, I thought this thread was about serial numbers and flight 77, not who you claim to be, and not about that supposed NSA critic for flight 93.

please stay on topic.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Your "credentials" aren't the subject of this thread.

Well then you should not have brought it up.

The fact that they haven't made public the serial numbers recovered from the scene is your idea of reasonable doubt?

Yes it is when the FAA refuses to release the serial numbers through FOIA request.

I'd say the most glaring indication that AA77 hit the Pentagon was that AA77 never reached its destination, and there is no evidence that it did anything BUT crash into the Pentagon.

But where are the facts, evidence and reports that should state that it did crash into the Pentagon, thats what i am asking.

 

[ULTIMA1]

please stay on topic.

Well you sould say that to the person that first got off the thread not me.

 

[Gavron]

Yes it is when the FAA refuses to release the serial numbers through FOIA request.
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You should do a little research and see what can and cannot be released with a FOIA request, Roger. Especially in regards to ongoing criminal investigations.

Research, Roger, research.

 

[ULTIMA1]

You should do a little research and see what can and cannot be released with a FOIA request, Roger. Especially in regards to ongoing criminal investigations..

Unlike you i do know what can and cannot be released. I have worked with FOIA request where its clear you have not.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Well then you should not have brought it up.

I didn't. I used the name Wayne Madsen as a counterpoint to you asking if we just believe everything the government tells us. I did that because it's someone whom you've quoted in the past. You responded to this by mentioning your NSA Critic, to which I put out a warning for this thread not to devolve into another 10 pages of back and forth regarding the veracity of your "credentials."

It's been done to death, and the appropriate minds have been made up.

I just don't want to see anyone else suspended.

Yes it is when the FAA refuses to release the serial numbers through FOIA request.

Are you aware of the nine exemptions to the Freedom of Information Act? I'm fairly certain it's covered.

But where are the facts, evidence and reports that should state that it did crash into the Pentagon, thats what i am asking.

Facts? People died. Husbands and wives who were on that plane haven't come home. Their remains were recovered in the Pentagon. I don't need much more than that to believe it happened, and I see no reason to doubt the eyewitnesses and the version of events as laid out in the materials that have been released so far.

 

[Gavron]

Obviously you have not, because you would realize that evidence currently being used in a criminal investigation can be excluded from a FOIA request. Don't embarrass yourself further, Roger Dodger...just admit it.

 

[ULTIMA1]

I just don't want to see anyone else suspended.

Well maybe they should have not done anything to get suspended.

Are you aware of the nine exemptions to the Freedom of Information Act? I'm fairly certain it's covered.

Yes i am

Their remains were recovered in the Pentagon. I don't need much more than that to believe it happened, and I see no reason to doubt the eyewitnesses and the version of events as laid out in the materials that have been released so far.

Sorr but i like something called facts and evidence

 

[ULTIMA1]

Obviously you have not, because you would realize that evidence currently being used in a criminal investigation can be excluded from a FOIA request. Don't embarrass yourself further, Roger Dodger...just admit it.

What current criminal investigation? You do know its been almost 8 years?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Sorr but i like something called facts and evidence

The fact that the remains of all but five of AA77's passengers + the five hijackers were recovered from both the interior and exterior of the Pentagon? That's not facts and evidence to you?

This is like standing directly below an enormous oak tree, and then loudly proclaiming that it isn't there because an acorn hasn't fallen on you.

 

[Gavron]

If you bothered to do any research at all (other than the truther sites you hang out on), you would realize that the FBI has not closed the case on the 9/11 attacks.

...and you say you do research. What a joke.

 

[ULTIMA1]

The fact that the remains of all but five of AA77's passengers + the five hijackers were recovered from both the interior and exterior of the Pentagon? That's not facts and evidence to you?

I thought all the bodies from the plane was supposed to have been found inside the building?
So where is the coroner reports that state this, and you do know that there is no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead?

 

[BigAl]

So where is the coroner reports that state this, and you do know that there is no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead?

Of course there is DNA evidence that separates the bodies of hijackers from the bodies of passengers and crew for Flt 93 and Flt 77. WTC is much more complex.

You just make ***** up as you go.

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for rule 10

 

[ULTIMA1]

If you bothered to do any research at all (other than the truther sites you hang out on),

But there are other agencies and places to get to the information. RESEARCH MAN RESEARCH.

you would realize that the FBI has not closed the case on the 9/11 attacks.

So that means that you and the beleivers on here have lied when you state you know what happned, but you cannot if the case has not been claosed and reports released.

 

[Shalamar]

Well, Ultima1, Since you seem to think that the aircraft in question did not crash into the pentagon, and that no passenger remains were found at the pentagon, I ask you to provide your evidence to the contrary that fits with an alternate hypothosis than that which was witnessed on that fateful day.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Of course there is DNA evidence that separates the bodies of hijackers from the bodies of passengers and crew for Flt 93 and Flt 77. WTC is much more complex.

You just make ***** up as you go.

Repeated again for the closed mind.

There are no coroner reports that show all the bodies from the planes were in the buildings.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

So where is the coroner reports that state this, and you do know that there is no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/FirstFloor_Pentagon_Bodies.png

I don't know where the coroner's reports are. I do know that the reports aren't used in and of themselves, but as part of an investigation. The graphic I linked to shows a representation of bodies found on the first floor of the Pentagon. It's been shown multiple times before.

I'm not entirely sure how the numbers break down, but given the physics of the impact and the fact the upperfloors were occupied, it's reasonable to assume some the majority of body parts belonging to Pentagon personnel closest and above the blast zone were ejected from the building a short way. Plus, I'm not sure how they decided where the circle was going to be centered, since I'm sure in many cases the parts were littered here and there, as horrible as it is to talk about.

You do know how DNA evidence works, correct? A sample from the body must be compared against something else. This is significant in the case of the hijackers.

 

[Pardalis]

4 - By passenger and crew DNA

This alone should be enough, IMO.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Well, Ultima1, Since you seem to think that the aircraft in question did not crash into the pentagon, and that no passenger remains were found at the pentagon, I ask you to provide your evidence to the contrary that fits with an alternate hypothosis than that which was witnessed on that fateful day.

I did not say that, do not put words in my mouth. Its a true sign of immaturity.

I asking for the facts, evidence and reports to find the truth.

 

[Baylor]

I thought all the bodies from the plane was supposed to have been found inside the building?
So where is the coroner reports that state this, and you do know that there is no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead?

www.911myths.com/images/f/f1/Edson2004.pdf