Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[ULTIMA1]

...or you could read post #284 and see what really happened.

Thanks for showing you cannot debate me with facts and evidnece.

 

[Gavron]

Looks like this source says otherwise, Roger:

Here are the facts to prove your statement is false:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a942fbiarrives#a942fbiarrives

"Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies"

Funny how those pesky facts get in the way of your conspiracy theory.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Looks like this source says otherwise, Roger:

"Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies"

Show me where it states about the crime scene investigation. All i see is collecting evidence and recovering bodies. Please try again.

 

[Gavron]

Show me where it states about the crime scene investigation. All i see is collecting evidence and recovering bodies. Please try again.

ummm...ok, Roger, let me bold the words you seem to not see. Let me know if that helps you.

Here are the facts to prove your statement is false:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a942fbiarrives#a942fbiarrives

"Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies".


Does that help you now?

 

[ULTIMA1]

So it was declared a crime scene, where does it state they started and ended the crime scene?

Oh thats right it states when it started and ended in the sources i provided.

 

[Gavron]

So you agree then that the investigation started the day of the attack, correct? As proven by the facts in the post I just listed? That it was immediately declared a crime scene, with the FBI in charge?


Facts proven right here, ROger.

Prove them wrong

 

[ULTIMA1]

So you agree then that the investigation started the day of the attack, correct? As proven by the facts in the post I just listed?

The crime scene investigation started and ended on the dates proven by my sources.

 

[Gavron]

So the sources in the links I provided lied? Why would they lie, Roger?

 

[ULTIMA1]

So the sources in the links I provided lied? Why would they lie, Roger?

They do not lie, they just do not have the exact dates of the crime scence investigation like my sources.

 

[Gavron]

Oh really? Oooookay.

So, when do YOUR sources say FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrived?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Oh really? Oooookay.

So, when do YOUR sources say FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrived?

Whats that got to do with the dates of the crime scene investigation that my sources state?

 

[TJM]

They do not lie, they just do not have the exact dates of the crime scence investigation like my sources.

Speaking of crime scene investigations, what intersting facts and evidence were you able to gather from the audio files that 911files posted?

 

[Jackanory]

Whats that got to do with the dates of the crime scene investigation that my sources state?

Round and round the garden

 

[Arus808]

What do you take us for? Seriously. The FBI was on the scene but they were standing with their thumbs up their... Give us a break, dude! Is there anything too downright stupid for you people? You wasted a whole thread trying to prove that the FBI did nothing for ten days?!?!

From the book "Pentagon 9/11" (page 170):

On the 12th the FBI and the DPS [Defense Protective Service] quickly removed from the west side of the building anyone who was not fighting the fire or doing search and rescue work. As people returned, they were screened and given color-coded plastic wrist bands provided by the Arlington police; the supply of 2,000 bands was soon exhausted."

"The following day DPS used its photo identification computer system to make badges, but the large number processed caused the unit to burn out. Finally the DPS and the FBI procured from the Secret Service five mobile stations that mass-produced phot badges."

On page 103, under "Operational Coordination," we learn that "The evening of the 11th the FBI announced plans to set up a Joint Operations Center (JOC) at the Fort Myer Community Center that all responding federal agencies could use to facilitate their assistance to local entities. The FBI also planned to run its criminal investiagtion from the JOC."

In the section on "Removing Remains" (starting page 120), we learn that "It fell therefore to FBI agents and photographers to record the location and condition and photograph the human remains, and for members of the 3rd Infantry Regiment--the Old Gurad, of Fort Myer--and on the first day a group of Marines, to carry bodies to the morgue set up on the grounds outside."

"A body recovery team typically consisted of one or more FBI agents, one or two FEMA representatives, a photgrapher, and four body or litter carriers from the Old Guard. For the recovery work the FBI drafted Navy and Marine photographers already on the scene taking pictures of the impact site and pieces of evidence strewn as far away as Arlington Cemetery. Inside the building, body recovery teams followed the trail of the earlier teams that had spray-painted a door or remaining column or panel with an orange fluorescent X. In the top quadrant of the X appeared the initials of the team that had cleared the room, on the right the number of bodies believed to be there, and in the other quadrants a code to indicate the location of the body. The agents created a numbering system, noted the condition of the dead, and chalked the number on a slate as an identifier code. The photgraphers recorded the scene, including wide-angle and close-up shots of the bodies in the positions found, along with the crime scene designation numbers. After debris was lifted away, bodies and body parts were photographed from several angles, including close-ups of faces to aid identification."

I'm not going to reproduce pages 178-83, "Identifying the Dead," but anyone who reads this material will come away convinced that TAM was right about you people. Vile doesn't begin to cover depraved nonsense you promote. You have no idea of what you're talking about, but you cheerfully make up outrageous lies.

nice post.. wonder what Ultima 1 has to say? Hey, you know post #284... why do you ignore?

 

[FineWine]

NO it does not, I am still waiting for any real source to debate the Defenselink site.

Well, post #284 certainly explains what the FBI was doing on September 11, and September 12, and...

You are wise to ignore the book I quoted from. Your delusion wouldn't survive.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Well, post #284 certainly explains what the FBI was doing on September 11, and September 12, and...

You are wise to ignore the book I quoted from. Your delusion wouldn't survive.

I dare you to shut me up by posting the following.

Show me where in post 284 it states the start and end of the crime scene investigation and proves my sources wrong.

 

[Arus808]

Post #284... hmm

 

[Gavron]

ok...I have a second source confirming the FBI begain investigating immediately.

Official after action report.

http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/Fire/Documents/after_report.pdf

Page C-45

"The FBI BCRS and JTTF were dispatched to the Pentagon, with the Crime Scene Team onsite within 30 minutes after the attack. Special Agent John Adams began organizing the FBI Evidence Recovery Team on a grassy site about 30 yards from the ACFD ICP. Special Agent Combs set up the FBI Command Post adjacent to the ACFD ICP. FBI Agents began searching for aircraft parts and other evidence on the Pentagon grounds, being careful not to interfere with fire and rescue efforts."

 

[Jackanory]

i dare you to shut me up by posting the following.

Show me where in post 284 it states the start and end of the crime scene investigation and proves my sources wrong.

roger - ultima1

read post 284 and 338

 

[lapman]

Show me where it states about the crime scene investigation. All i see is collecting evidence and recovering bodies. Please try again.

So collecting evidence at the crime scene is not a part of a crime scene investigation? Thanks for conclusively proving that you have no idea what a crime scene investigation is.