The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

DOC said:
Well then it makes sense for "you" to bring in God believing Jew websites
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Excuse me?

to counter my arguments but it doesn't make sense for someone who does not believe in God to do so.
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It doesn't make a damn bit of difference either way, unless you think that Jewish websites are inherently untrustworthy.
 
DOC said:
So, OK, you're not a God believing Jew. But then why do you often say the Jews would disagree with my posts. Why does someone who does not believe in God use God believing Jews websites to argue against my pro God posts?
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paximperium said:
Which god?
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The all knowing, all powerful, eternal, living God that both Jews and Christians believe created the universe. So could you answer my above question.
 
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DOC said:
Well then it makes sense for "you" to bring in God believing Jew websites to counter my arguments but it doesn't make sense for someone who does not believe in God to do so.
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The prophecies, if such they were, were made to and by Jews, so would you not think they might be the best qualified to tell if the prophecies had been fulfilled?
 
DOC said:
Why don't you bring in the post, I doubt you will.
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Heh. Here 'ya go!

This is the post where DOC first introduces the links to the hate site.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3470712#post3470712

Here is the first call out explaining the nastiness:

Mark A. Siefert said:
Godfrey Daniel! It's a far right-wing wacko's porno site: Holocaust denial, claims that male-hating feminists are making millions of false rape charges against men, Racist and anti-semitic CTs about AIDS, the claim that Hitler was really a Zionist Jew, etc. Folks, I think we're seeing DOC's true colors shine through here.

Pardon me, I've got scrub out my internet cache (and my mind) after perusing that crap. In the meantime, thanks DOC for reminding us all what a true bigot you are.
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Source.

And the second.

Fitter said:
DOC, have you looked at that web site. I mean beyond your usual quote mining. Please tell me you haven't. If you have and you feel comfortable using such a blatantly racist site to back up your arguments then I can only conclude that you yourself are also a racist. I clicked on 2 pages of that site and got a racist view of AIDS and a diatribe against McCain that features a photo of his biological and adopted daughters. The only reason to feature that photo is race baiting. Please, please tell me you had no idea what else was on that site.
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Source.

And the third.

Ladewig said:
Seconded. DOC, please tell us that you did not realize how utterly non-Christian that site is.
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Source.

And there were several directly following those. What is your first reponse to the challenges?

DOC said:
Attack the messenger post #109 and counting.
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Source.

After a whole page of that type of thing, you directly link to the hate site again.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3481139#post3481139

And strangely enough, even though you stated that you wouldn't be linking there again (in the very post where you linked to it again), you never disclaimed their views and never apologized for dragging in such filth.

Nice.

And you have the nerve to suggest that paximperium is a Jew for linking to Jewish content.
 
Cleon said:
Excuse me?
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Explain



Cleon said:
It doesn't make a damn bit of difference either way, unless you think that Jewish websites are inherently untrustworthy.
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We have a difference of opinion, I believe it doesn't make sense for someone who does not believe in God to use God believing Jewish websites to counter my pro God posts.
 
DOC said:
Explain
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No, I want an explanation from you. What's with the "Jew website" bit?

We have a difference of opinion, I believe it doesn't make sense for someone who does not believe in God to use God believing Jewish websites to counter my pro God posts.
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Your opinion makes no sense. What difference does it make?

I doubt anyone here would care if you used an atheist website as a reference.
 
DOC said:
We have a difference of opinion, I believe it doesn't make sense for someone who does not believe in God to use God believing Jewish websites to counter my pro God posts.
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Says the one who used comments by certain atheists to counter arguments by atheists. Are you an atheist?

Oh, and it would be just as easy to link to those posts of yours as it was to provide the links above demonstrating your use of hate sites.


ETA: Cleon, he has used material from atheists. He most certainly has.
 
Hokulele said:
ETA: Cleon, he has used material from atheists. He most certainly has.
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So he's either a bloody hypocrite, or something about Jews sets him off.

I would've thought the former, but his history of quoting from anti-Semitic websites, and the use of the phrase "Jew websites," makes me wonder.
 
DOC said:
The all knowing, all powerful, eternal, living God that both Jews and Christians believe created the universe.
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Don't forget the Muslims. Oh, right, most Christians would prefer to ignore Islam in the same way that most religious Jews would prefer to ignore Christianity.
 
Hokulele said:
Heh. Here 'ya go!

This is the post where DOC first introduces the links to the hate site.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3470712#post3470712

Here is the first call out explaining the nastiness:



Source.

And the second.



Source.

And the third.



Source.

And there were several directly following those. What is your first reponse to the challenges?



Source.

After a whole page of that type of thing, you directly link to the hate site again.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3481139#post3481139

And strangely enough, even though you stated that you wouldn't be linking there again (in the very post where you linked to it again), you never disclaimed their views and never apologized for dragging in such filth.

Nice.

And you have the nerve to suggest that paximperium is a Jew for linking to Jewish content.
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Well I am really glad you brought in that website where Thomas Jefferson wrote I am a real Christian.

And of course I denied and still deny ever knowing the kind of organization that sponsors that website. You will notice that nowhere on the page I brought in does it give any indication of the kind of organization it is. This is just another example of some skeptics attacking the messenger instead of the message. But in a way I'm glad some people have that mentality (in this instance) because now a lot more people know that Thomas Jefferson stated he was a real Christian.
 
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DOC said:
We have a difference of opinion, I believe it doesn't make sense for someone who does not believe in God to use God believing Jewish websites to counter my pro God posts.
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DOC, I know I am a third party here, but let me try to explain it to you:

The fact that Jewish people believe in God does not mean that an atheist or agnostic cannot find and use valuable information written from a Jewish perspective. Obviously, atheists would disagree with their arguments for the existence of a creator, but if they offer good, non-biased historical and archeological evidence arguing against Jesus as the Messiah, why shouldn't we find such information useful?

I can imagine that someone arguing for intelligent design might well find occasion to use a book/website about evolution in order to gain information about the fossil record, dating, &c. to use in their arguments.
 
DOC said:
Well I am really glad you brought in that website where Thomas Jefferson wrote I am a real Christian.
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You shouldn't be.

And of course I denied and still deny ever knowing the kind of organization that sponsors that website.
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You quoted it without investigating? That's your fault, and extremely irresponsible of you.

You will notice that nowhere on the page I brought in does it give any indication of the kind of organization it is.
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Really? I notice a whole bunch of links along the side, titled things like "jews/911," "NWO," "Blacks," "Whites," "Holocaust," etc. all of which would immediately grab my attention, and one click indicates what sort of organization they are.

This is just another example of some skeptics attacking the messenger instead of the message. But in a way I'm glad some people have that mentality because now a lot more people know that Thomas Jefferson stated he was a real Christian.
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Yeah. I don't think you're perceived quite the way you think you are.
 
DOC said:
So, OK, you're not a God believing Jew. But then why do you often say the Jews would disagree with my posts. Why does someone who does not believe in God use God believing Jews websites to argue against my pro God posts?
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So...

Anyone who is not Jewish is not allowed to state that the Jews don't think the prophecies you cited refer to Jesus?

That seems to be your objection.

It is idiotic.

Anyone with a passing familiarity with Judaism will know that Jesus is not considered by Jews to be a messiah, let alone a prophesied son of god.

One does not have to be Jewish to know this.
Nor should one be required to be Jewish to point it out to you.

Just like I don't need to be Sikh to state that they don't think Jesus was the son of God, prophesied in Isaiah.
 
DOC said:
Well I am really glad you brought in that website where Thomas Jefferson wrote I am a real Christian.

And of course I denied and still deny ever knowing the kind of organization that sponsors that website. You will notice that nowhere on the page I brought in does it give any indication of the kind of organization it is.
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What this shows is that you just do a cursory search for anything that you think supports your position without actually looking into it in any detail. Still, that's better than being the sort of racist who would actually read such a crackpot website.

But in a way I'm glad some people have that mentality because now a lot more people know that Thomas Jefferson stated he was a real Christian.
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Yeah, 'cause we all know that all that stuff Jefferson said about not believing in the divinity of Jesus, or any of his reported miracles, or about Revelation being the scribblings of a madman etc. etc. etc. doesn't count as long as you can find one passage to take out of context.
 
TheAnachronism said:
DOC, I know I am a third party here, but let me try to explain it to you:

The fact that Jewish people believe in God does not mean that an atheist or agnostic cannot find and use valuable information written from a Jewish perspective. Obviously, atheists would disagree with their arguments for the existence of a creator, but if they offer good, non-biased historical and archeological evidence arguing against Jesus as the Messiah, why shouldn't we find such information useful?
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Name some good archaeological evidence from Jewish websites that Jesus was not the Messiah.
 
DOC said:
Another post with no examples.
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Another? She's already provided very thorough examples in response to your previous challenge. Are you trying to suggest that you have never used atheists as a source of information in any of your arguments? When you make a statement like the above you only set yourself up to look the greater fool when your challenge is met, as has already occurred regarding your careless links to racist sources.
 
DOC said:
Name some good archaeological evidence from Jewish websites that Jesus was not the Messiah.
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Name some good archaeological evidence from ANYWHERE that shows Jesus WAS the Messiah.
 
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