Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[Gavron]

Might check this link for your timelines:
http://www.historycommons.org/timel...line&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
"Beginning shortly before midday on September 11, 2001, and continuing until September 12, the FBI conducts a careful search across the grounds of the Pentagon, looking for remnants of the aircraft that hit the building. FBI Special Agent Tom O’Connor is in charge of the initial evidence recovery operation at the Pentagon."

"FBI Special Agent Garrett McKenzie, who is coordinating the effort to photograph evidence at the Pentagon, pulls together a dozen photographers for a briefing. He instructs them: “We don’t need to photograph all the plane parts, only unique airplane parts or something specific. Like the pilot’s yoke, or anything with part of a serial number on it. If we have to prove what kind of plane this was, the serial numbers will be what we need.”

 

[beachnut]

Lets do the math. The FBI started the crime scene on Spet 21, and ended it on Sept 26.

If you can do the math thats 5 days. Can you do the math?

For two weeks, the crash site was considered a crime scene and under the control of the FBI.

More complete than your cherry-picked failed ideas.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=17356

Your continued quibbling is what we love to see in our countries NSA agents/analyst. A sharp mind and connecting those the dot.

 

[Gavron]

The FBI was on scene BUT did not start working the crime scene untill Sept 21 because of the rescue and recovery operation.

This is incorrect. Here are the facts to prove your statement is false:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a942fbiarrives#a942fbiarrives

"Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies"

 

[FineWine]

The FBI was on scene BUT did not start working the crime scene untill Sept 21 because of the rescue and recovery operation.

Sources posted provide this information. Please try reading the sources provided.

What do you take us for? Seriously. The FBI was on the scene but they were standing with their thumbs up their... Give us a break, dude! Is there anything too downright stupid for you people? You wasted a whole thread trying to prove that the FBI did nothing for ten days?!?!

From the book "Pentagon 9/11" (page 170):

On the 12th the FBI and the DPS [Defense Protective Service] quickly removed from the west side of the building anyone who was not fighting the fire or doing search and rescue work. As people returned, they were screened and given color-coded plastic wrist bands provided by the Arlington police; the supply of 2,000 bands was soon exhausted."

"The following day DPS used its photo identification computer system to make badges, but the large number processed caused the unit to burn out. Finally the DPS and the FBI procured from the Secret Service five mobile stations that mass-produced phot badges."

On page 103, under "Operational Coordination," we learn that "The evening of the 11th the FBI announced plans to set up a Joint Operations Center (JOC) at the Fort Myer Community Center that all responding federal agencies could use to facilitate their assistance to local entities. The FBI also planned to run its criminal investiagtion from the JOC."

In the section on "Removing Remains" (starting page 120), we learn that "It fell therefore to FBI agents and photographers to record the location and condition and photograph the human remains, and for members of the 3rd Infantry Regiment--the Old Gurad, of Fort Myer--and on the first day a group of Marines, to carry bodies to the morgue set up on the grounds outside."

"A body recovery team typically consisted of one or more FBI agents, one or two FEMA representatives, a photgrapher, and four body or litter carriers from the Old Guard. For the recovery work the FBI drafted Navy and Marine photographers already on the scene taking pictures of the impact site and pieces of evidence strewn as far away as Arlington Cemetery. Inside the building, body recovery teams followed the trail of the earlier teams that had spray-painted a door or remaining column or panel with an orange fluorescent X. In the top quadrant of the X appeared the initials of the team that had cleared the room, on the right the number of bodies believed to be there, and in the other quadrants a code to indicate the location of the body. The agents created a numbering system, noted the condition of the dead, and chalked the number on a slate as an identifier code. The photgraphers recorded the scene, including wide-angle and close-up shots of the bodies in the positions found, along with the crime scene designation numbers. After debris was lifted away, bodies and body parts were photographed from several angles, including close-ups of faces to aid identification."

I'm not going to reproduce pages 178-83, "Identifying the Dead," but anyone who reads this material will come away convinced that TAM was right about you people. Vile doesn't begin to cover depraved nonsense you promote. You have no idea of what you're talking about, but you cheerfully make up outrageous lies.

 

[TJM]

You shouldn't have gone to the trouble. If it doesn't fit his preconcieved notions then he will ignore it.

ULTIMA1? Will you have the integrity to listen to the interview?

Now that was a stupid question, wasn't it.

 

[tsig]

It was a major terrorost crime scene at the Pentagon. No other major terrorist crime scene has been worked 5 days.





The FBI was very fast on getting out a list of hijackers even though they used fake IDs.

Is there an optimum time they should work a crime scene?

If they had done more time would they have found more crime?

 

[bje]

Sheesh...

Ultima1 already got caught months ago admitting AA77 crashed into the Pentagon.

Now he's back pretending he didn't really mean it?

Really?

 

[tsig]

If you do not know what the 5 days mean it cannot be explained.

If it cannot be explained then how did you become aware of it?

 

[Wolrab]

guys stop. he cant even understand in black and white what the text states. he's parroting the same thing over and over again in each of his replies. PUT HIM ON IGNORE!!!!!!

Great advice! Now if everyone would either ignore the troll or at least not quote his tomfoolery in their replies, we can move on to the next troll.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

"Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies"

There ya go Roger.

 

[Dr. Tobias Fünke]

Thats the funniest thing i have heard all day.

How did the FBI get the list of names together so fast when the terrorist uesed fake IDs?

Wrong. They didn't use fake ID because they didn't need to, they were legal aliens on legal visa and with no criminal record.
That made it so easy, easier than risking being caught with fake ID.

AFAIK, that is .

 

[Dog Town]

Wrong. They didn't use fake ID because they didn't need to, they were legal aliens on legal visa and with no criminal record.
That made it so easy, easier than risking being caught with fake ID.

AFAIK, that is .

Hell, they used their real names for the plane tickets. Back then you could fly using any name you wanted, no ID to board planes, for inside of US travel. The flight manifest has their names listed, correctly. So where did U1 pull this crap from? Hmmm...

 

[ULTIMA1]

Might check this link for your timelines:
http://www.historycommons.org/timel...line&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
"Beginning shortly before midday on September 11, 2001, and continuing until September 12, the FBI conducts a careful search across the grounds of the Pentagon, looking for remnants of the aircraft that hit the building. FBI Special Agent Tom O’Connor is in charge of the initial evidence recovery operation at the Pentagon."

"FBI Special Agent Garrett McKenzie, who is coordinating the effort to photograph evidence at the Pentagon, pulls together a dozen photographers for a briefing. He instructs them: “We don’t need to photograph all the plane parts, only unique airplane parts or something specific. Like the pilot’s yoke, or anything with part of a serial number on it. If we have to prove what kind of plane this was, the serial numbers will be what we need.”

More complete than your cherry-picked failed ideas.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=17356

Your continued quibbling is what we love to see in our countries NSA agents/analyst. A sharp mind and connecting those the dot.

There ya go Roger.

Just too bad i have posted 2 sources that support what i posted and can post more.

Still waiting for someone to show those sources wrong.

 

[Gamolon]

Why are you afraid to admit to this:

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

Why are you afraid to answer this?

What were they doing at the crime scene before the 21st? Just milling around?

I'll ask you again. Are you saying the the statement "The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said." means that they started their actual investigation on Sept 21 and had done nothing since Sept. 11th when the attacks happened?

 

[BCR]

Just too bad i have posted 2 sources that support what i posted and can post more.

Still waiting for someone to show those sources wrong.

The sources are not wrong, your assertions regarding them are wrong because you don't understand the meaning of the terminology used and/or omit other information in the sources.

You are displaying why very few people take twoofers seriously. As for me, I have already provided ample evidence to prove you wrong, but you ignore it. So have a nice tin-foil life Ultima, I am done here.

 

[Mince]

Its just too bad we do not have any hard evidence like the following.

Actual photo or video of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

Reports matching parts found to the plane.

Wow! What a clever, precise, insightful and analytical OP you've produced here. It almost reaches the level of "Oh yeah, well, my dad can beat up your dad."---almost.

Board rules prevent me from calling you a complete moronic tool who utterly lacks the requisite intellegence to work for the NSA, so I'm not going to.

By the way, if you're in Vegas, the over/under on the number of posts this thread will stretch without even the hint of intellectual, reasoned debate is 2,150. Lay $100 on the over for me and I'll get ya back, thanks.

 

[FineWine]

Just too bad i have posted 2 sources that support what i posted and can post more.

Still waiting for someone to show those sources wrong.

I know the information in post #284 is very inconvenient to you, but ignoring it won't make it go away.

 

[Mince]

Lets do the math. The FBI started the crime scene on Spet 21, and ended it on Sept 26.

If you can do the math thats 5 days. Can you do the math?

Wrong buddy! That's 6 days!

Day 1: Sept. 21
Day 2: Sept. 22
Day 3: Sept. 23
Day 4: Sept. 24
Day 5: Sept. 25
Day 6: Sept. 26

It's inclusive, not differential.

You were saying something about math?

 

[Gavron]

I know the information in post #284 is very inconvenient to you, but ignoring it won't make it go away.

Great find, FineWine! Very interesting read....

 

[lapman]

U1 loves to point out how long the FBI had jurisdiction over the crime scene as if that is the only time they were doing any type of on scene investigation. The fact is that the number of days they spent at the scene is meaningless. It's the evidence they gathered is what counts.