Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[beachnut]

Yep. Looks like they drove one of those trucks past with the tailgate open and shoveled some debris out.

Must not have been a whole lot, because they picked it back up in less than a week.

You are calling soldiers liars and that they planted parts?

Where was the truck in the photos on 911? Why do your lies have no supporting evidence?

This lie is slamming my fellow soldiers on 911; we did not do 911 so you need to stop being a terrorists apologists and stop telling lies.

Why not keep your dirt dumb lies and delusions to yourself since you have no evidence?

 

[twinstead]

Yep. Looks like they drove one of those trucks past with the tailgate open and shoveled some debris out.

Must not have been a whole lot, because they picked it back up in less than a week.

Your conjecture is meaningless. Your opinion is irrelevant. You're just some dude with no expertise or experience using a great big argument from incredulity to troll on an internet forum.

You want to impress the adults? Get an eye witness to somebody planting debris in the Pentagon. Get an eye witness of a flyover. Find a whistle blower at a DNA testing lab. Anything. Get ANY evidence besides "I just don't believe it". Otherwise, who gives a crap what you think?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Yep. Looks like they drove one of those trucks past with the tailgate open and shoveled some debris out.

Must not have been a whole lot, because they picked it back up in less than a week.

Evidence?

 

[tsig]

I suppose this is your crack law enforcement background talking.

He was in the DEA also!?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Here's some evidence for you guys to chew on.

Date of post digitally enlarged for emphasis.

From this rather bizarre UFO thread. 'Bout 3/4 of the way down the page.

ULTIMA1 - Would you like to tell all of us which NSA building you worked at in 2007, that's "by the BWI airport?"

You gotta admit...this really flies in the face of your NSA analyst claim.

By the way, nice avatar there, slick. Really scary.

 

[Travis]

Uh oh. I'd love to see the outcome from this.

 

[doobiedoright]

This guy must love being abused!
All he does is accuse other people of not providing evidence when he has never provided any.
Loves to call people liars as well.at least he sticks to calling them what he knows best!

 

[JoeyDonuts]

This guy must love being abused!
All he does is accuse other people of not providing evidence when he has never provided any.
Loves to call people liars as well.at least he sticks to calling them what he knows best!

Well, that's not entirely accurate. He's provided evidence of his credentials, which unfortunately for him fall WELL short of what he claims.

He does have a super sweet Photobucket site, though.

 

[Crazytimes]

Can one of you nutjobs please explain to me how it is possible that anyone could plant all that debris on the pentagon lawn in broad daylight ?

 

[T.A.M.]

One of these days Kreel will likely need help from some of the many people he directly or indirectly accuses of being in on the cover up.

Lets hope it goes well. It probably will, because unlike him, they have honor and integrity.

Just keep on slamming everyone with out proof Kreel. In a few years you will look back on some of the things you said, and if, IF, you are lucky, you will feel shame.

TAM

 

[Crazytimes]

Can one of you nutjobs please explain to me how it is possible that anyone could plant all that debris on the pentagon lawn in broad daylight ?

No one ? Not even some crazy story about a spaceship that could beam it down with new nano technology that no one knows about yet ?

 

[Gamolon]

According to Defenselink.mil the FBI only spent 5 days working the crime scene at the Pentagon.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44840
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 – The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n0..._200109266.html
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

I have a question for you. Are you telling us that the statement "The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said." means that they started their actual investigation on Sept 21 and had done nothing since Sept. 11th when the attacks happened?

What does this statement mean then? This was from http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/criminal/homelandsecurity/911.html

"The Pentagon:
By noon on September 11, an EPA Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent was on the scene at the Pentagon, providing emergency response investigative support and facilitating site safety for EPA Region 3 Emergency Response personnel and the FBI. On September 12, the FBI declared the Pentagon a crime scene, and EPA Special Agents were on the scene assisting in decontamination, gathering crime scene evidence (photography, videotaping, evidence gathering, etc.) and supplying other investigative and technical support to the FBI. In addition, EPA Special Agents assisted with body recovery and site safety until September 27, when the agents departed after the FBI returned the site to the control of the Department of Defense and FEMA."

Here's a link you should go to and read.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/fbi.htm/printable

It talks about "jurisdiction" and what it means. Maybe you can figure out the "assuming jurisdiction from another entity" does not really mean that the FBI investigation STARTED on that specific day. At least that's what it sounds like to me. If I am wrong, someone please tell me. They were there from the beginning. Looks to me like the FBI was on the crime scene for about 14 days, not 5. They then continued to sift through evidence after Sept. 26th also.

 

[lapman]

Why is this even an issue? What was left at the "crime scene" to investigate since the section of building had collapsed and been cleaned up and all the evidence had been cataloged and moved elsewhere. It's not like other crime scenes where there are a lot of unknowns. Like the '93 WTC bombing. They had to figure out what type of explosive was used, how it was delivered, make and model of van, etc. The Pentagon was full of "knowns" and very little "unknowns." Obviously, they only needed 5 days before moving operations to where the evidence was. This is just another straw that the terrorist apologist has to grasp onto so he can keep his fantasy alive.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Didn't the FBI hand over the investigation over to a military investigative unit anyways, since the Pentagon is on military ground? And then they assisted THEM?

Is this normal?

 

[ULTIMA1]

I have a question for you. Are you telling us that the statement "The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said." means that they started their actual investigation on Sept 21 and had done nothing since Sept. 11th when the attacks happened?

They did not start a crime scene investigation untill the rescue and recovery was over.

Looks to me like the FBI was on the crime scene for about 14 days, not 5. They then continued to sift through evidence after Sept. 26th also.

The FBI was at the crime scene but did not officially start the investigation untill the 21st. They continued to sift through evidence AFTER the FBI officially ended the crime scene investigation.

Can you show me another major terrorist crime scene that the FBI only worked on for 5 days?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Obviously, they only needed 5 days before moving operations to where the evidence was.

Please show me another major terrorist crime scene that the FBI only worked for 5 days.

 

[lapman]

Please show me another major terrorist crime scene that the FBI only worked for 5 days.

Show another major terrorist crime scene investigaton where they already knew who committed the crime, how it was done and what was used that lasted greater than 5 days.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Exactly. It made no difference whatsoever to the cause of the aircraft crash investigation since it was already quite apparent that Flt 77 had been flown into the Pentagon deliberatly.

It does not matter if you know (or think you know) what happend, by law there still has to be a complete criminal investigation.

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[ULTIMA1]

Show another major terrorist crime scene investigaton where they already knew who committed the crime, how it was done and what was used that lasted greater than 5 days.

It does not matter if they know or think they know what happened, there still has to be a complete criminal investigation.

Just like in a murder, even if you have witnesses to what happened the CSI still does a complete investigation.

 

[lapman]

Since when does time on the crime scene matter? It's the evidence that matters and they did investigate that a lot longer than 5 days.

In a murder, if you know the perp, what weapon was used and how it was used, what would a long, drawn out crime scene investigation accomplish when all the evidence has already been gathered. Since when do they interview witnesses at the crime scene 10 days after the crime was committed?