Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Ichneumonwasp]

Son of God =/= Divine.

Correct. Two clues to one's mortal nature tend to be birth to a mortal and death.

Herakles -- born to mortal mother, died.
Achilles -- mortal father, died.
Perseus -- born to a mortal mother, died.
Jesus -- born to a mortal mother, died.

Exception -- Dionysus. Other exception -- Herakles was deified after death. Other exception -- Augustus, born of god, mortal, later deified.

The best option is to argue that Jesus was made divine after or in his death. But then you've got two gods in this monotheism.

 

[Hokulele]

Maybe Jesus didn't (preferring the Daniel prophecy term "Son of Man") but the Synoptic Gospel Luke reports an angel told Mary her child would be called the "Son of God". (Luke Chapter 1 verse 35)

And I have been called a pig-headed kumquat (yes, really). That doesn't mean I am one.

 

[six7s]

Star Wars is a better movie than Passion of the Christ...although I still have a fondness for Jesus Christ Superstar.

Therein lies what is perhaps DOC's theme tune

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[paximperium]

And I have been called a pig-headed kumquat (yes, really). That doesn't mean I am one.

I like kumquat.

 

[paximperium]

Therein lies what is perhaps DOC's theme tune

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Groovy.

 

[Hokulele]

I like kumquat.

Loquats are pretty good too.

 

[DOC]

The only two choices aren't prophet and divine.



Which is a prophecy about what to them? The messiah.

ETA: Daniel 7:9-13

The son of man is brought before the Ancient One and given authority (he didn't have it before that implies).

Daniel's mind had no concept of the Trinity, he never would have been able to understand a human and God being one, it would take Christ to expound on that. And the next verse Daniel 7:14 says that this "Son of Man" (a term for human like) had dominion over all nations forever This does not sound like just a earthy Messiah this sounds like someone divine.

 

[paximperium]

Loquats are pretty good too.

They're okay, I prefer Mandarin Oranges.

 

[Hokulele]

Daniel's mind had no concept of the Trinity, he never would have been able to understand a human and God being one...

I can't blame him.

And the next verse Daniel 7:14 says that this "Son of Man" (a term for human like) had dominion over all nations forever This does not sound like just a earthy Messiah this sounds like someone divine.

It may sound like that to you, but I will guarantee that most Jews would disagree.

 

[DOC]

The Messiah is not divine in Judaism, but human.

Then who is the "Son of Man" {human like} in Daniel 7:14 who is described as being given by God dominion over the nations "forever".

 

[Hokulele]

Then who is the "Son of Man" {human like} in Daniel 7:14 who is described as being given by God dominion over the nations "forever".

http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm

 

[paximperium]

King James Version
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

NIV
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

NAS
"And to Him was given (X)dominion,
Glory and (Y)a kingdom,
(Z)That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him
(AA)His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
(AB)And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Forever? It just says his dominion will last forever and never destroyed. Nothing about the messiah being immortal.

 

[temporalillusion]

Daniel's mind had no concept of the Trinity, he never would have been able to understand a human and God being one, it would take Christ to expound on that.

The authors of the Bible can be given total recall, and even recall of events they weren't present for (the dialog during trial of Jesus is documented but none of Jesus' followers were present), but not the concept of the trinity... You're just making this up as you go.

And the next verse Daniel 7:14 says that this "Son of Man" (a term for human like) had dominion over all nations forever This does not sound like just a earthy Messiah this sounds like someone divine.

"Doesn't sound like" because you're reading it with your desired answer in mind.

 

[Ichneumonwasp]

Then who is the "Son of Man" {human like} in Daniel 7:14 who is described as being given by God dominion over the nations "forever".

Haven't you read the book of Daniel? It's a metaphorical representation of men -- son of Man -- the tribes of Israel. Daniel is an apocalyptic text written during the "time of tribulation" when Antiochus Epiphanes was persecuting Jews. Daniel was written to ensure that people not lose the faith, as many of them did (read Maccabees for goodness sake) -- just like Mark was written following the Neronian persecution while the armies of Rome were bearing down on Jerusalem and people were losing the faith in Jesus. Why do you think he showed newcomers, like Simon of Cyrene, carrying Jesus' cross while Simon called Peter forsook his leader and high-tailed it out of town in that text.

You do know that there are two times for the people to wait for the end? And that the book itself says that it will remain hidden until the end times? They thought they were in the end times and that God would provide for the truly faithful.

Funny thing, that happening more than 2000 years ago and the Jews still being persecuted. Mostly by Christians nowadays.

Son of man, you must surely know, means mortal. It meant mortal in Daniel (specifically the Israelites). It means mortal in Mark.

 

[paximperium]

Haven't you read the book of Daniel?

You may want to forgive DOC. He has stated that he hasn't fully read the Bible and considers the New Testament the penultimate finale and all the old bits a tad outdated...unless those old bits sound like it supports whatever stuff he is trying to make up.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Lovely. What does any of that have to do with divinity?

Hokulele, The Bible is all about Jesus and his divinity, have you been paying attention when you say you read it?

 

[temporalillusion]

Hokulele, The Bible is all about Jesus and his divinity, have you been paying attention when you say you read it?

You've just been shown that the first four books of the NT disagree on that point, have you been paying attention?

Also a few questions which you seem to have missed:

What do you know about DNA research, can you expand on what about DNA research goes against evolution?

Why is evolution anti-God? Most Christians accept evolution you know.

 

[paximperium]

Hokulele, The Bible is all about Jesus and his divinity, have you been paying attention when you say you read it?

KK, the Bible is about the Jewish faith and their vengeful jealous god called YHWH which was co-opted by Jesus which was considered a non-divine messiah by the early Christian, do you understand the Bible?

 

[Hokulele]

Hokulele, The Bible is all about Jesus and his divinity, have you been paying attention when you say you read it?

The Gospel of John and Paul's epistles (both the true letters as well as the forgeries) are about that. The rest of the bible, not so much. Did you read the page I linked for DOC regarding Judaism and their views of a messiah?

 

[Ducky]

The Gospel of John and Paul's epistles (both the true letters as well as the forgeries) are about that. The rest of the bible, not so much. Did you read the page I linked for DOC regarding Judaism and their views of a messiah?

That's an optimistic question. She's never read anything else you've linked her to.