ACTA Treaty: Opinions

INRM said:
Six7's,

Even if you read the wikipedia article on this (which is by no means complete and does not include the full contents of the treaty) you would probably understand why I would believe this.
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Why not just put it into your own words, right here, as a gesture of good faith that you're actually interested in participating in this discussion?

The fact that the government is claiming it must be kept secret on the grounds of *National Security* do not help.
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Nor does the fact that you still haven't given any reason why this is objectionable.
 
INRM said:
The fact that the government is claiming it must be kept secret on the grounds of *National Security* do not help.
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The fact that you seem unwilling to consider the possibility of there being simple, practical, non-nefarious reasons for such 'secrecy' does not help you


http://ec.europa.eu/trade Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - Background information
Provisions:
  • International Cooperation: Cooperation among the parties is a key component of the agreement - including sharing of information and cooperation between our law enforcement authorities, including Customs and other relevant agencies.<snip/>
  • Enforcement Practices: It is necessary to establish enforcement practices that promote strong intellectual property protection in coordination with right holders and trading partners. Such “best practices” would support the application of the relevant legal tools, as outlined by the Legal Framework.<snip/>
  • Legal Framework: It is critical to have a strong and modern legal framework so that law enforcement agencies, the judiciary, and private citizens have the most up-to-date tools necessary to effectively bring counterfeiters and pirates to justice. Areas for possible provisions include:
    • Border measures
    • Civil enforcement
    • Criminal enforcement
    • Optical disc piracy
    • Internet distribution and information technology
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Please, do tell if you can envisage a better way of designing and then effectively and efficiently implementing such a proposal

Or do you, perhaps, think that the whole proposal is a waste of time and effort?

If so, do you dispute the following?
OECD estimates that infringements of intellectual property traded internationally (excluding domestic production and consumption) account for more than €150 billion per year (higher than the GDP of more than 150 countries). According to the OECD counterfeiting and piracy undermine innovation, which is key to economic growth.
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six7's,


It's not that I don't entertain the possibility that the secrecy could be for other reasons than to just keep it secret from the American public, it's that you won't entertain the possibility that such secrecy *could* be potentially for keeping it from the American public.

Please, do tell if you can envisage a better way of designing and then effectively and efficiently implementing such a proposal
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Personally, I don't think such an extreme treaty or legislation is necessary. These companies are still making money contrary to what you'd like to believe. I think this treaty is more greed based than anything else to be honest, but truthfully I'm quite certain there are ways to combat this issue while operating within the confines of the US Constitution and basic privacy rights.


INRM
 
INRM said:
Personally, I don't think such an extreme treaty or legislation is necessary.
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OK

Please explain WHY you think this

INRM said:
you won't entertain the possibility that such secrecy *could* be potentially for keeping it from the American public.

These companies are still making money contrary to what you'd like to believe.
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Please, resist the temptation to pretend that you have ANY idea what I will entertain and/or what I want to believe



INRM said:
I think this treaty is more greed based than anything else
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Again, please explain WHY you think this

INRM said:
I'm quite certain there are ways to combat this issue while operating within the confines of the US Constitution and basic privacy rights.
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Please describe one such strategy



INRM said:
six7's,
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Please try to spell my screen name correctly
 
INRM

You seem to have overlooked some earlier question in post #102, above

Please, address them

TYIA
 
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INRM said:
it's that you won't entertain the possibility that such secrecy *could* be potentially for keeping it from the American public
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I don't know about six7s, but personally I'm more than happy to entertain such a possibility. Consider it formally, sincerely entertained.

Having entertained it, I still don't see a lot of reason to take it seriously. Other possibilities seem much more likely, based on the evidence at hand and the commonly-accepted practice of conducting treaty negotiations in secret.

Do you have any information you'd like to share with us, that would encourage us to take your possibility more seriously than other possibilities?
 
ThePrestige,


Well, I'm glad you at least entertained the possibility...

INRM
 
INRM said:
ThePrestige,


Well, I'm glad you at least entertained the possibility...

INRM
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Will you now be willing to entertain the possibility that it is being done in secret because all the players involved are really robotic dragonflies in the guise of humans?

I mean as long as we're going to be considering nefarious motives for no reason we might as well.
 
INRM said:
Travis,

That's a little over the top, now wouldn't you say?
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Considering this is a thread that makes the proposition that copyright laws = 1984 dystopia, no, I think my allegation is about par for the course.
 
Travis,

The thing about dragonflies is completely absurd... there is no way that could not be considered over the top.


INRM
 
That's pretty rich coming from someone who thinks ground penetrating radar is going to be used to spy on normal civilians.
 
Travis,

With the evidence presented to me, I conceded that Ground Penetrating Radar would not be used to spy on civilians...

In other words I do not currently think that ground penetrating radar is going to be used to spy on civilians...


INRM
 
I'll entertain the possibility that it's kept secret because all treaties are... but considering that this treaty could undermine the constitution and would give the government and law enforcement a great deal more power to spy on individuals and confiscate property, I would have to also entertain the possibility that this bill could be kept secret because the government doesn't want the people to know about it...


INRM
 
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