The Truth of Christianity vs. All Other Belief Systems

[Mr Clingford]

You have to give the H.S. something, I guess. This mysterious member of the holy trifecta doesn't seem to have been given any of the cool superpowers of the other two.

Yes, in non-charismatic circles, the poor HS can feel somewhat left out. But what are these superpowers of Jesus the man, cos I don't think he had any (it was the Father part that raised him from the dead)?

 

[Ducky]

Satan eats, shoots and leaves.

Wizard shot the food!

 

[joobz]

Wizard shot the food!

Not again!

 

[Mr Clingford]

Not again!

What the hell is that about?

 

[Ducky]

What the hell is that about?

never played "Gauntlet" in the arcade, eh?

 

[Lonewulf]

I played Gauntlet on the Nintendo. Always so fun.

Warrior was way too slow for my tastes...

 

[Marcus]

Yes, in non-charismatic circles, the poor HS can feel somewhat left out. But what are these superpowers of Jesus the man, cos I don't think he had any (it was the Father part that raised him from the dead)?

Well, let's see, there was walking on water, loaves and fishes, miraculous healing, and water into wine, just to name a few.

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

Not again!

haha. Good link joobz. That original game - man, me and my cousins spent so many quarters playing that as kids! ah, sweet memories. It sucked though when we all accidently went into the wrong doors at the same time. I loved the munching sound when you ate the food. haha.

 

[temporalillusion]

If you were indwelt by the Holy Spirit you would know it's all true and the Bible is Gods word!

Nope, I was indwelt and knew no such thing.

 

[Mr Clingford]

never played "Gauntlet" in the arcade, eh?

Ah, no, never heard of it.

Well, let's see, there was walking on water, loaves and fishes, miraculous healing, and water into wine, just to name a few.

But in the Xtian mythos others have been able to perform miracles, not just Jesus.

 

[Marcus]

But in the Xtian mythos others have been able to perform miracles, not just Jesus.

I'm not sure the later individual miracles measured up to the rain of superpowers jesus exhibited. But as a point of interest, do any of the other miracles involve people actually doing things, creating food or wine, walking on water, ect.? Healing I can see, that is a common enough claim. But most miricles seem to involve things done to the person, stigmata appearing, signs in the heavens, ect.

 

[Mr Clingford]

I'm not sure the later individual miracles measured up to the rain of superpowers jesus exhibited. But as a point of interest, do any of the other miracles involve people actually doing things, creating food or wine, walking on water, ect.? Healing I can see, that is a common enough claim. But most miricles seem to involve things done to the person, stigmata appearing, signs in the heavens, ect.

Hmm, earlier miracles certainly did in the OT, where all kinds of amazing and wonderful things happened.
Off the top of my head I think Paul did one or two things.

My main reason for disagreeing with you is that many people, Xtians or not, have a superhero view that I don't think is in accord with orthodox Xtianity - it appears to be especially those of a more fundamentalist background who see Jesus in this superhero way. I contend that the more 'normal' Xtian view is to acknowledge properly the limits that being a human being encompassses.

 

[Hokulele]

My main reason for disagreeing with you is that many people, Xtians or not, have a superhero view that I don't think is in accord with orthodox Xtianity - it appears to be especially those of a more fundamentalist background who see Jesus in this superhero way. I contend that the more 'normal' Xtian view is to acknowledge properly the limits that being a human being encompassses.

An even bigger problem with all of the miracle stories is that they demonstrate an even greater limitation on God. He apparently cannot do anything on his own, but must work through some agent (generally people such as Peter in Acts or in a few cases, a donkey, a serpent, a bush, etc. in the OT). Pretty much the only time he/it works directly is in Paul's description of his conversion.

But of course, that could just be God working through an epileptic seizure.

 

[I Ratant]

Ah, no, never heard of it.

But in the Xtian mythos others have been able to perform miracles, not just Jesus.

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Pharoah's priests could transform sticks into snakes.
Moses' brother Aaron could do the same.
Seems to be a lost art, though.

 

[Wildy]

An even bigger problem with all of the miracle stories is that they demonstrate an even greater limitation on God. He apparently cannot do anything on his own, but must work through some agent (generally people such as Peter in Acts or in a few cases, a donkey, a serpent, a bush, etc. in the OT). Pretty much the only time he/it works directly is in Paul's description of his conversion.

But of course, that could just be God working through an epileptic seizure.

But isn't this the same God that can be defeated by people with iron chariots?

 

[Hokulele]

But isn't this the same God that can be defeated by people with iron chariots?

Yes, it is also the same God who thought that figs could be naughty. (The Jeremiah prophecy, not Jesus having a hissy fit.)

 

[Marcus]

I contend that the more 'normal' Xtian view is to acknowledge properly the limits that being a human being encompassses.

Wouldn't that imply a denial of Jesus' miracles?

I agree that the word "superpowers" wouldn't be popular, it has connotations that imply fantasy abilities that don't exist in the real world, exactly the reason i like it.

 

[Moochie]

An even bigger problem with all of the miracle stories is that they demonstrate an even greater limitation on God. He apparently cannot do anything on his own, but must work through some agent (generally people such as Peter in Acts or in a few cases, a donkey, a serpent, a bush, etc. in the OT). Pretty much the only time he/it works directly is in Paul's description of his conversion.

But of course, that could just be God working through an epileptic seizure.

Hey, maybe God is a magician! Now that would make for an interesting TAM guest.


M.

 

[Mr Clingford]

An even bigger problem with all of the miracle stories is that they demonstrate an even greater limitation on God. He apparently cannot do anything on his own, but must work through some agent (generally people such as Peter in Acts or in a few cases, a donkey, a serpent, a bush, etc. in the OT). Pretty much the only time he/it works directly is in Paul's description of his conversion.

But of course, that could just be God working through an epileptic seizure.

I don't find that an issue because God is limited by creating the universe through the Big Bang and with Evilution (he he) working in it.

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Pharoah's priests could transform sticks into snakes.
Moses' brother Aaron could do the same.
Seems to be a lost art, though.

Now this is great story; turning your stick into a snake, then the priests showing that they have power too, then Aaron's eating the other snakes up I don't care it is most likely only story, it makes me laugh.

Yes, it is also the same God who thought that figs could be naughty. (The Jeremiah prophecy, not Jesus having a hissy fit.)

Although in Hebrew culture, figs and vines represent stuff (which a lot of Xtians have no clue about). I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky figs.

Wouldn't that imply a denial of Jesus' miracles

No, because the power of God may work through anyone.

I agree that the word "superpowers" wouldn't be popular, it has connotations that imply fantasy abilities that don't exist in the real world, exactly the reason i like it.

Fair enough!

 

[Hokulele]

I don't find that an issue because God is limited by creating the universe through the Big Bang and with Evilution (he he) working in it.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest it was an issue for you, but an issue for those omnipotentists.

Although in Hebrew culture, figs and vines represent stuff (which a lot of Xtians have no clue about). I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky figs.

Heh, imagine if Eliot had had J. Alfred Prufrock eating a fig, rather than a peach...