Firefighters do not like the truth movement....

just cause you are FDNY...doesn't mean you can't be a conspiracy theorist. These guys have the highest rates of suicide and divorce of any job in the USA. its a very tough life..and seeing friends injured and die all the time can really get to you.

i wish 9-11 truthers would stay away from our brave firefighters. they deserve better then their lies and bs.

Good points.
What kind of crazy would believe half of these drunken, cheating, ready to commit suicide people. Same for the police. Can you say drones? I really dont think any of you really know the mental state of these "heroes", but you`ll believe them anyways.
 
Good points.
What kind of crazy ....
So you believe 911Truth? The FD forum made some good points. Why are 911Truth ideas from the pit of ignorance?

Good for you to spew junk from the safety of your mom's computer; why not take your ideas to FDNY?
 
Good points.
What kind of crazy would believe half of these drunken, cheating, ready to commit suicide people. Same for the police. Can you say drones? I really dont think any of you really know the mental state of these "heroes", but you`ll believe them anyways.

nice strawman arguments you got there.
 
That's pretty damn offensive, not to mention mind-bogglingly retarded.
I've actually spoken with quite a few of my friends in the University Architecture design studios, and they are abundantly aware of this material. I've also been in conversation with a number of the studio instructors I've done my work under, and of course the instructor whom taught the materials in Structures I & II... The most witnessed event in history -- especially in the areas this deals with -- virtually any engineer, architect, studio instructor, & student I've been in conversation with on this puts that statement six ft under ....
 
The truth likely is that 90% of those engineers arent aware of 9/11 in much of any way, since probably a week after it was over.


Heck i bet a sizeable portion of the population doesnt know North Carolina is the NCAA basketball champs less than two weeks ago.


The fact is, people are passionate about 9/11, those who are passionate about it, the largest group on one side or the other is AE911.

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.' (Yeats)
 
Something seems rather strange. Firefighters are outraged by Truthers' claims, presumably because they're claiming that firefighters took part in the demolition of WTC7 while there were still people in it so they're guilty of manslaughter - is that the conspiracy story? Outraged that they're being accused of manslaughter, they ... snarl that if ever a Truther dares say that in the presence of the New York fire brigade, ... they will be gruesomely murdered.

You may not be hear to name call and insult, but I am. You are a loser, pal. I challenge you to walk into anyf firehouse in NYC and spew this nonsense.
Just make sure that you leave good info as to what you want done with your remains (not a threat, but a prediction).

Strange indeed.
 
Is there a group of engineers that does not support the conspiration theories? If there is I would be glad to sign up.
 
"Something seems rather strange. Firefighters are outraged by Truthers' claims, presumably because they're claiming that firefighters took part in the demolition of WTC7 while there were still people in it so they're guilty of manslaughter - is that the conspiracy story? Outraged that they're being accused of manslaughter, they ... snarl that if ever a Truther dares say that in the presence of the New York fire brigade, ... they will be gruesomely murdered."



The difference being that certain truthers are really accusing them of murder, Whereas the Fire department were not being serious
 
Is there a group of engineers that does not support the conspiration theories? If there is I would be glad to sign up.
I think their office is right next to the Round Earth Society's.
 
I think their office is right next to the Round Earth Society's.

Actually they've moved. They're now across the street from the Institute for Zoologists Who Publicly Proclaim Unicorns Don't Exist.
 
Something seems rather strange. Firefighters are outraged by Truthers' claims, presumably because they're claiming that firefighters took part in the demolition of WTC7 while there were still people in it so they're guilty of manslaughter - is that the conspiracy story? Outraged that they're being accused of manslaughter, they ... snarl that if ever a Truther dares say that in the presence of the New York fire brigade, ... they will be gruesomely murdered.

What are you babbling about? How could "truthers" claim that the FDNY was guilty of manslaughter due to the destruction of WTC 7 when no one died in that building?

Please provide evidence that any member of the FDNY said they would "gruesomely murder" someone who accused them of manslaughter regarding a building in which no one died.
 
What are you babbling about? How could "truthers" claim that the FDNY was guilty of manslaughter due to the destruction of WTC 7 when no one died in that building?

Please provide evidence that any member of the FDNY said they would "gruesomely murder" someone who accused them of manslaughter regarding a building in which no one died.

Wow! Interesting. Are you suggesting that people have "predicted" in so many words that the New York City fire brigade would gruesomely murder any Truther who met them and started talking about conspiracy theories, even though Truthers don't even generally accuse them of anything as serious as manslaughter? I thought that although no one was in WTC7 when it collapsed, some conspiracy theorists claimed there were people in there, and said the fire brigade helped demolish the building even though there were, and that's why the firefighters are angry with them. See my old thread: Irresponsible tabloid-style journalism and Barry Jennings. Silly me, putting two and two together and making four and-a-half again!

But I would like to know, if they're not being accused of manslaughter/murder by most Truthers, what the heck is making them so angry they're threatening to murder Truthers - even if they're being hyperbolic.
 
Is there a group of engineers that does not support the conspiration theories? If there is I would be glad to sign up.

It's not like there's any organized group on this topic. In the engineering world, the collapse happened because of the impact and fires, and the narrative set forth by NIST is so far the best supported one to date. Structural as well as fire safety engineers, tall structure architects, and other construction and safety experts don't appear to feel the need to organize against some fringe group using distortions and pseudoscience to peddle their delusions. It's sort of like geologists vs. Flat Earthers: Where's the group of geoscientists who are organized against that?

But you can get a sense of who's actually, openly siding with the fires plus impact narrative (and therefore opposing the conspiracy peddler's fantasies) by finding engineers who've actually discussed or done work on the topic. Truthers dismiss the NIST 9/11 research team as "government employees" (or worse), but a rational individual should note their stance on the issue above and beyond their employment. Their mandate was to study the collapse, not support someone else's idea of what was involved, and truthers have yet to come up with a better argument than "employment" to support their implication of collusion in the supposed conspiracy.

It should be noted that no one from NIST has "whistleblown" regarding any supposed slanting or coverup. No, I'm sorry, that "Bob the Builder" idiot in that one thread here doesn't count.

The participants in the initial FEMA "Building Performance Study" (link is to PDF; page 3 lists the team members) should also be considered. Their work has been superceded by the NIST report, but the FEMA BPS provided the foundation for people to approach the collapse. Plus, as far as I know, it's still the only work detailing the damage to some of the peripheral buildings (WTC 4, 5, and 6, Bankers Trust, World Financial Center, etc.; I'm amenable to correction on that if I'm wrong).

Outside of NIST and FEMA are the engineers and fire safety experts who've talked to Popular Mechanics for their article and book. They've directly spoken on specific conspiracy fantasies, and have yet to meet substantial rebuttal from the conspiracy fantasists (no, stupid dismissals about the publishers doesn't cut it. Nor does Hoffman's attempt at critique (I've never seen a "critique" contain so many points of agreement, and have so little support for their contradictory claims)).

Others have ignored (as far as I can tell) the conspiracy fantasies, and have instead done direct work on elements of the collapse. The Purdue team that simulated the impacts is one example of this. The above listed University of Edinburgh researchers are others. MIT Civil and Environmental Engineering professors Oral Buyukozturk and Oguz Gunes have lectured on the Twin Towers collapse before (here's a link to a pdf of their PowerPoint presentation used at their lecture). Other MIT academics have written essays on the collapse, but while they're far from being actual studies, they're far better supported and far more rigorous than anything from the truther's side.

Debunking 9/11 has some links to journal articles near the bottom of this link. And I know I haven't even scratched the surface of scholars and others who've researched and spoken about the collapses from a rational standpoint. There are more writings from just MIT on the subject, our posting member named Architect has mentioned Arup's company, I think Ryan Mackey has mentioned some other groups who've done studies on isolated elements... the list goes on.

Anyway, the ultimate point here is that you'll probably have no luck finding an organization created simply to oppose the engineering fantasies from the 9/11 "Truth" movement. There's not really any need for one, just like there's no real need for one opposing, say, Ptolemaic cosmology. The default position is already established, and the objections to the central thesis are disproven.
 
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But I would like to know, if they're not being accused of manslaughter/murder by most Truthers, what the heck is making them so angry they're threatening to murder Truthers - even if they're being hyperbolic.

Please provide evidence that any member of the FDNY has threatened to murder anyone from the "truth" movement.

No one died in WTC 7.
 
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Please provide evidence that any member of the FDNY has threatened to murder anyone from the "truth" movement.

No one died in WTC 7.

I didn't say any of them had personally threatened to kill someone. I quoted from that firefighters' thread, where one firefighter who'd watched one of the buildings collapse told the Truther who joined the thread that if he talked about his conspiracy theories to any of the New York City fire brigades, he'd better tell them first how he wanted his remains dealt with, and that he wasn't making a threat, but a prediction. The reason I used the word "gruesome" was because he used the word "remains" rather than "body".

I was guilty of generalising/using careless wording in my previous post where I used the word "they" as if they all felt that way. But I've not only read that sentiment there, but also on the board here, more than once. So my question was for anyone who feels that way about what the firefighters would do, not just firefighters themselves.

And I didn't say there was anyone in WTC7 when it collapsed. Never have I said that. I said, in my latest feat of putting two and two together and making four-and-a-half, that I'd assumed Truthers claimed that, and that was what was making the firefighters angry. Perhaps most Truthers don't claim that at all. But then I'm baffled as to just what would make any firefighter so angry he'd prophesy death to any Truther who started talking about conspiracy theories to any NYC firefighters.
 
The Seattle Fire Department is fast becoming the byword that the Dallas police were in the Kennedy assassination.
 
http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=107457

Somebody asks about the group "firefighters for 9/11 truth" the guy who created the site logs in and gets chewed out by the rest of them. Including by a firefighter who was there at the WTC.
Good post by the rational; silly posts by the dolts pushing the lies of 911Truth.

They are talking now about the site. Some interesting ideas.

I want to thank the FDNY for working hard on 911 and going into the unknown to save lives.

I want to remind the terrorist they are stupid and dead, but they were smarter than 911Truth.
 
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Something seems rather strange. Firefighters are outraged by Truthers' claims, presumably because they're claiming that firefighters took part in the demolition of WTC7 while there were still people in it so they're guilty of manslaughter - is that the conspiracy story? Outraged that they're being accused of manslaughter, they ... snarl that if ever a Truther dares say that in the presence of the New York fire brigade, ... they will be gruesomely murdered.



Strange indeed.

Not strange. Many people here have expressed the exact same sentiment. Asking someone what they want done with their remains is a common hyperbolic expression that means little more than "you will get beat up bad".
 

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