Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos?

[EHocking]

Krantz didn't think such adaptation would be necessary because the sheer size of the eye would allow for admission of a lot of light even at night.

Size is not as important as structure, but as the paper in my previous link indicates, the larger the animal, the smaller (in relation to body size) the eye. For instance, if we had similar eyes to those of loruses etc, they would be the size of grapefruits.

As we and our immediate cousins in the animal kingdom (and all of their/our ancesters) do NOT have eyes of this size, I don't think his conjecture is valid. It doesn't seem to be based on any scientific or evolutionary/fossil evidence to date.

I remember being astounded in Seattle in summer that I could still see quite well at 10:00 PM.

Elk are ...

Irrelevant to the discussion - as you made a point of correcting me on, YOU are talking about higher Primates, not ungulates.

 

[Correa Neto]

Why doesn't Patty have great, big eyes?

Uh, sorry for the nitpick, but given PGF's resolution we can only make "educated guesses" about Patty's eyes. Sure, they are not huge, but from the data itself, Patty could be using sunglasses, have vertical slanted pupils, large round eyes, etc. My educated guess? The eyes of a human, with the skin around the eyes, not covered by the mask, painted black.

ETA- I was about to ask if this means I'm taking you to the mat but this could be terribly misinterpreted, LOL!

 

[LAL]

>>>I'm not an investigator, qualified or otherwise.

That much is obvious- You really have little to no demonstrated abilities in any kind of science.

Of course not. I took high school biology when Mendel's peas were still green. I'd have had a class in Physical Anthropology under my belt by now if the class had filled. I was accepted in jewelry sooner than expected and with classes limited to seven students per year I couldn't pass that up.

The average Australopithecine IM index will have to wait.

>>>I thought you might want to take him to the mat. You didn't stipulate it has to be a well-known skeptic who's written articles or a book.

If you'd like to wrestle Kitakaze, I'd like to stop at Radio Shack and then lie down and finish a book.

I see little to do that for- you, on the other hand, are another story. I find most of your arguments intellectually insulting.

I'm not thinking much of yours right now either. Was my name added to the topic header when I wasn't looking?

>>>If not, try Benjamin Radford, David Daegling, Michael Dennett or even Kal Korff. It's all the same to me

Thats as good an exit strategy as any. Deflect all comments about you to others in an attempt to divide and conquer. I know your arguments are that weak and I see you know it as well. Thats not a bad thing.

Weak or worn out? Lackadaisical? Insufficiently illustrated? Not enough links? I haven't even worked up enough enthusiasm this time around to hit Print Screen.

You asked for skeptics and I gave you four. It would seem you prefer me. Sorry, I don't do wrestling,war or game strategy.

I've seen all this many times before - there should be photos, there should be fossils, there should be roadkill, there should be one stuffed in the Smithsonian by now...........I used to size images and suggest people read the references so I wouldn't have to type out whole books. I'm tired of it. My interest peaked in 1969 and I doubt I'll be able to get back to that level of excitement again even if someone brings one in on a slab.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to look for a missing USB cable and hit the road.

 

[LAL]

Why doesn't Patty have great, big eyes?

With all of her great big the eyes would be too.

You didn't understand daylight savings? We don't do that in Japan. That was one of the first things I had a hard time with being from Victoria, BC.

I moved up from Southern California which had daylight savings time too. I wasn't aware there was that much difference in day length that much further north.

Are you suggesting elk eyes are like Bigfoot eyes? Notice an attempt to make something fit that does not fit?

Nope. I'm just saying I didn't know elk were that active at night. That could explain what was was touching the top of the tent in the all-woman Skookum "expedition".

 

[Skeptical Greg]

What would have explained it, would have been to take a look ...

 

[Belz...]

Why are there no better films than those we have, which are admittedly ambiguous and arguable, when rare bears, deer, rhinos, panthers and the like have clear and unambiguous film and video snapped and shot of them on a regular basis? My guess would be that if bigfoot (plural) exist, then they must have learned to be cautious of human beings, perhaps helping one another avoid humans

MY guess is that they don't exist. It's easier that way and everything else suddenly makes sense.

 

[EHocking]

With all of her great big the eyes would be too..

That's yet another example of Footer Fact(TM) that I have been introduced to in these threads.

On what scientific evidence do you base this assertion?

Compare the ratio of an elephant's eye to it's body size to that of a primate.
Compare the relative size of a Lorus' eye to that of the higher primates (remember? Size of a grapefruit in a human...)

Oh, hell - why not try some research instead of speculating in ignorance on the biology, merely because your baseless assertions appear to prop up your belief?

The following is an excerpt found on GoogleBooks, The Primate Visual System (Bowers, Kremers, House). (bolding and mistakes are mine)

"Although the size of the eye generally increases progressively with body size, the former does not keep pace with the latter. This generalisation, labelled 'Haller's Law', applies not only to primates and other animals...but also to other terrestrial vertebrates... As a result, the ratio of eye size to skull size progressively declines as the body size increases. One outcome of this is that the eye does not completely fill the orbit in large-bodied mammals, even in relatively large-eyed promates. Particular caution must therefore be exercised in inferring the size of the eye from the size of the orbit in large-bodied mammals."

 

[Correa Neto]

Here's your answer Kitakaze:

Haven't you seen Cloverfield? Proof of how hard -if not impossible- and extremely dangerous its is to get sharp imagery of monsters.

Pwned!

Next question, please.

 

[xblade]

Concerning the djinn, I merely stated the facts. Being that the djinn and bigfoot share common physical characteristics, notable their pursed lips, tendency to howl/scream. And steal children and salmon (probably).

Since no one can find one, and since no unambiguous photos are available, how do we know bigfoot has pursed lips? Since no one has seen bigfoot howl/scream, how do we know bigfoot howls and screams? Any reports of bigfoot stealing children? When bigfoot eats salmon, do they ever have confrontations with bears, and if they do, who wins?

 

[xblade]

Here's a completely unambiguous photo of a possible bigfoot.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-neanderthal-murder-mystery-888276.html

And here's an unambiguous view of a possible bigfoot clique.
http://www.livescience.com/php/mult...rthal+Family.+Credit:+NASA/JPL-Caltech&title=

And here's an unambiguous picture of a fire breathing dragon. Hide the children.

http://www.dragonspace.co.uk/

 

[kitakaze]

Uh, sorry for the nitpick, but given PGF's resolution we can only make "educated guesses" about Patty's eyes. Sure, they are not huge, but from the data itself, Patty could be using sunglasses, have vertical slanted pupils, large round eyes, etc. My educated guess? The eyes of a human, with the skin around the eyes, not covered by the mask, painted black.

ETA- I was about to ask if this means I'm taking you to the mat but this could be terribly misinterpreted, LOL!

Thanks for tripping my snare, dude. I was waiting for someone who had argued about other small details to take issue with the resolution and you had to go and mess it up for me. I'll try and be less subtle next time.

 

[Correa Neto]

whooops...

What? You expected certain proponents would admit that detail such as eyes, nostrils, ears, mouth, etc. can't be seen at PGF?

You expect too much...

ETA1- as a consolation prize I was about to post a revamped version of my pattypareidolia collage. However, I lost Drew's Patty rendering. Can you repost it, Drew?

ETA2- In the meanwhile, have fun with this revamped collage of the garbage images which compose bigfootery photographic evidence. The best one can say about them is "inconclusive".

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Of course not. I took high school biology when Mendel's peas were still green. I'd have had a class in Physical Anthropology under my belt by now if the class had filled. I was accepted in jewelry sooner than expected and with classes limited to seven students per year I couldn't pass that up.

The average Australopithecine IM index will have to wait.



I'm not thinking much of yours right now either. Was my name added to the topic header when I wasn't looking?


Weak or worn out? Lackadaisical? Insufficiently illustrated? Not enough links? I haven't even worked up enough enthusiasm this time around to hit Print Screen.

You asked for skeptics and I gave you four. It would seem you prefer me. Sorry, I don't do wrestling,war or game strategy.

I've seen all this many times before - there should be photos, there should be fossils, there should be roadkill, there should be one stuffed in the Smithsonian by now...........I used to size images and suggest people read the references so I wouldn't have to type out whole books. I'm tired of it. My interest peaked in 1969 and I doubt I'll be able to get back to that level of excitement again even if someone brings one in on a slab.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to look for a missing USB cable and hit the road.

>>>I'm not thinking much of yours right now either. Was my name added to the topic header when I wasn't looking?

No, not you specifically but I have read yours over the years. What you "think" of mine really isnt an issue with me because I'm really not in the business of dealing of those who cannot present a solvent case in the first place and base their statements on anecdotal evidence and when challenged cannot stand on their own.

>>>Weak or worn out? Lackadaisical? Insufficiently illustrated? Not enough links? I haven't even worked up enough enthusiasm this time around to hit Print Screen.

Would not matter either way

>>>I've seen all this many times before - there should be photos, there should be fossils, there should be roadkill, there should be one stuffed in the Smithsonian by now...........I used to size images and suggest people read the references so I wouldn't have to type out whole books. I'm tired of it. My interest peaked in 1969 and I doubt I'll be able to get back to that level of excitement again even if someone brings one in on a slab.

Always a bridesmaid............You came back

 

[Yeah_Right]

And Lal will always return with,ummm, interesting arguments for the pro side of Bigfoot. I am beginning to worry about her though, thinking that an obvious video of a man relieving himself in the woods might be a Bigfoot foraging. Really Lal, you need to raise your standards when it comes to evidence. I especially cringed when you said it was a ringer for Patty. Now I am no expert on Bigfoot, I haven't read Krantz and all those chaps, but even I can see that it in no way resembles the PGF subject.

 

[manofthesea]

Since no one can find one, and since no unambiguous photos are available, how do we know bigfoot has pursed lips?

That is a traditional attribute attributed to bigfoot. See the "Native American thread".

Since no one has seen bigfoot howl/scream, how do we know bigfoot howls and screams?

See above.

Any reports of bigfoot stealing children?

See top.

When bigfoot eats salmon, do they ever have confrontations with bears, and if they do, who wins?

Perhaps after they have finished stealing salmon, instead of choosing to dine at the nearest bear den, they would choose to consume it in a safer environment. Like in a bigfoot abode. See BFF thread that I started many moons ago.

 

[kitakaze]

MOTS, you are talking about dsonoqua, not Bigfoot. How many reports feature Bigfoot stealing children or having pursed lips? Also, how many reports feauture Bigfoot hitting a salmon run?

 

[desertyeti]

How may reports of a pursed-lip bigfoot hitting a child with a salmon?

Or hitting a salmon with a child?

 

[Drewbot]

MOTS-
Which modern day creature is represented by Otter-man?

CN-

 

[kitakaze]

I absolutely love the B&W image of the Bigfoot strung up dead in the bottom right of the collage, Correa. That is exactly the type of image that we should have seen many times if Bigfoot is/was real. We should see images like that along with ceremonial Bigfoot skull helmuts and Bigfoot skin rugs by the fire.

Where did you get it, BTW?

 

[Drewbot]

http://www.taxidermy4cash.com/akeley.html
Some awesome early Africa hunts and trip photos can be found here. Including several gorilla photos.