Megan McCain "Am I Not Worthy Of Being A Member of Republican Party?" -In A Word, NO!

[Brainster]

Well said, Brainster. This should be a non-issue. Yet again and again it is brought up, and not just by the sexists here at the JREF, but by nationally-known commentators.

I will say, though, that it seems to be at least a little unequal in how much supporters of the two parties do it. I remember lots of slams about how ugly Chelsea Clinton and Amy Carter were, and how pretty Laura and the Bush twins are. There was also some bit going around the internet a few years ago with flattering pictures of Condoleeza Rice, Ann Coulter (Yes, she can be made to look good) Laura Bush, and a few other attractive female GOP members or supporters. Side by side with this were unflattering pictures of Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton, Helen Thomas, Molly Ivens, Joycelin Elders and a few other... um... past-their-prime Democratic women. Nyuk nyuk. I even got one piece of mail from one of my conservative relatives showing Hillary's head spliced onto the picture of a woman flashing her saggy breasts with a caption reading, "Hillary canvasses for votes".

I'm not seeing even the most leftist of left-wingers doing that kind of stuff. The worst I heard was calling Sarah Palin the VPILF, and I don't recall who said it first. It might have even come from a proud Republican.

You're right that this stuff should be out-of-bounds for political discussions, but people, being what they are, are bound to make jokes. When "serious" political commentators are making those jokes though, those commentators should lose credibility. And yes, I'm looking at you too, Al "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" Franken.

Yes it goes on among conservatives, absolutely. I see supposedly conservative bloggers doing that "MILF" thing about Michelle Malkin. Really? They'd like to get her to cheat on her husband and run the risk of breaking up a family with two young children? How conservative is that?

 

[Cicero]

Well said, Brainster. This should be a non-issue. Yet again and again it is brought up, and not just by the sexists here at the JREF, but by nationally-known commentators.

I will say, though, that it seems to be at least a little unequal in how much supporters of the two parties do it. I remember lots of slams about how ugly Chelsea Clinton and Amy Carter were, and how pretty Laura and the Bush twins are. There was also some bit going around the internet a few years ago with flattering pictures of Condoleeza Rice, Ann Coulter (Yes, she can be made to look good) Laura Bush, and a few other attractive female GOP members or supporters. Side by side with this were unflattering pictures of Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton, Helen Thomas, Molly Ivens, Joycelin Elders and a few other... um... past-their-prime Democratic women. Nyuk nyuk. I even got one piece of mail from one of my conservative relatives showing Hillary's head spliced onto the picture of a woman flashing her saggy breasts with a caption reading, "Hillary canvasses for votes".

I'm not seeing even the most leftist of left-wingers doing that kind of stuff. The worst I heard was calling Sarah Palin the VPILF, and I don't recall who said it first. It might have even come from a proud Republican.

You're right that this stuff should be out-of-bounds for political discussions, but people, being what they are, are bound to make jokes. When "serious" political commentators are making those jokes though, those commentators should lose credibility. And yes, I'm looking at you too, Al "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" Franken.

No? Eyes have they, but they see not.


http://larryflynt.com/?p=298

http://www.morethings.com/log/2006/06/i-hate-to-love-ann-coulter.html

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12893

Ann Coulter can be "made to look good," but untouched pics of Reno, Clinton, Thomas, Ivens, Elders, are unflattering because the women are past their prime? Interesting.

"But the attacks on Palin by so-called feminists cannot be ignored. Many of the same voices who claimed the right-wing was attacking Hillary Clinton just because she was a strong woman are now attacking Palin not for her beliefs, but for her very gender identity.

Comedian Margaret Cho has said that Sarah Palin is “the worst thing to happen to America since 9/11.” She also makes it clear that for her, feminists by definition must believe what she believes, writing on her blog, “to call [Palin] a feminist is as laughable as calling evangelicals ‘Christians,’ ” a warm and fuzzy, open-armed double punch that she continues by crassly suggesting she’d also like to have explicit sex with Palin.

In a similar conceit, Sandra Bernhard promised that Palin would be “gang-raped by my big black brothers” if she came to Manhattan. Congratulations, Ms. Cho and Ms. Bernhard. You’ve officially joined the ranks of male misogynists everywhere.

Pink, the recording artist, flatly declared, “This woman hates women.” Rosie O’Donnell haiku-ed, “Women who hunt in high heels gives one pause.” Say again? On second thought, please don’t."

http://forums.somd.com/politics/154227-stop-impaling-sarah-palin.html

 

[Tricky]

No? Eyes have they, but they see not.


http://larryflynt.com/?p=298

http://www.morethings.com/log/2006/06/i-hate-to-love-ann-coulter.html

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12893

Ann Coulter can be "made to look good," but untouched pics of Reno, Clinton, Thomas, Ivens, Elders, are unflattering because the women are past their prime? Interesting.

"But the attacks on Palin by so-called feminists cannot be ignored. Many of the same voices who claimed the right-wing was attacking Hillary Clinton just because she was a strong woman are now attacking Palin not for her beliefs, but for her very gender identity.

Comedian Margaret Cho has said that Sarah Palin is “the worst thing to happen to America since 9/11.” She also makes it clear that for her, feminists by definition must believe what she believes, writing on her blog, “to call [Palin] a feminist is as laughable as calling evangelicals ‘Christians,’ ” a warm and fuzzy, open-armed double punch that she continues by crassly suggesting she’d also like to have explicit sex with Palin.

In a similar conceit, Sandra Bernhard promised that Palin would be “gang-raped by my big black brothers” if she came to Manhattan. Congratulations, Ms. Cho and Ms. Bernhard. You’ve officially joined the ranks of male misogynists everywhere.

Pink, the recording artist, flatly declared, “This woman hates women.” Rosie O’Donnell haiku-ed, “Women who hunt in high heels gives one pause.” Say again? On second thought, please don’t."

http://forums.somd.com/politics/154227-stop-impaling-sarah-palin.html

And which news services do they write for?

And oddly enough, though I am fairly left of center and have liberals who send me stuff all the time, none of these clips made it to my inbox. I guess my connections all decided that having them in a comedy venue was enough. Or maybe they just don't get as much circulation.

 

[Cleon]

Yes it goes on among conservatives, absolutely. I see supposedly conservative bloggers doing that "MILF" thing about Michelle Malkin. Really? They'd like to get her to cheat on her husband and run the risk of breaking up a family with two young children? How conservative is that?

Considering the track records of people like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Ted Haggard, Henry Hyde, Rudy Giuliani, and so on, I'd say...Well, pretty conservative, actually.

 

[Cicero]

And which news services do they write for?

And oddly enough, though I am fairly left of center and have liberals who send me stuff all the time, none of these clips made it to my inbox. I guess my connections all decided that having them in a comedy venue was enough. Or maybe they just don't get as much circulation.

You mentioned bloggers, not syndicated columnists. But happy to oblige.

NYT columnist Maureen Dowd on Sarah Palin

"Sarah is a zealot, but she’s a fun zealot. She has a beehive and sexy shoes, and the day she’s named she goes shopping with McCain in Ohio for a cheerleader outfit for her daughter."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31dowd.html?_r=1&em

MSNBC's Maddow (a GLAAD TV JOURNALISM SEGMENT award winner) complete with split-screen, chopping up a Palin interview for the sake of snark.

http://www.feministing.com/archives/012116.html

You do not seek out left wing blog comments, only the ones emailed to you, but you do seek out right wing blogs? If not, do you think your assessment that the right is more sexist than the left is rather jejune?

 

[Dr Adequate]

Dear me, you mean some women have criticized her?

Well, they mustn't do that, must they? That would be like a man criticizing Obama.

However, this is not what Brainster and Cleon were talking about.

 

[leftysergeant]

You mentioned bloggers, not syndicated columnists. But happy to oblige.

NYT columnist Maureen Dowd on Sarah Palin

"Sarah is a zealot, but she’s a fun zealot. She has a beehive and sexy shoes, and the day she’s named she goes shopping with McCain in Ohio for a cheerleader outfit for her daughter."

Do you really believe that feminists are supposed to take that air head Palin seriously as a feminist?

You have a problem with feminists making a poser like Palin the butt of jokes?

Get over it. Palin is not a feminist, and calling herself one just opened her up to attacks from both men and women who know what feminism is aboput.

The twit has chosen sides with the misogynists like the little porker Sheriff Charley.

She lost all right to expect respect from feminists when she let the knuckle dragger bill women for their rape kits.

 

[Cicero]

Do you really believe that feminists are supposed to take that air head Palin seriously as a feminist?

You have a problem with feminists making a poser like Palin the butt of jokes?

Get over it. Palin is not a feminist, and calling herself one just opened her up to attacks from both men and women who know what feminism is aboput.

The twit has chosen sides with the misogynists like the little porker Sheriff Charley.

She lost all right to expect respect from feminists when she let the knuckle dragger bill women for their rape kits.

Naturally. How could anyone expect the support of feminists when one has a history of boorish behavior with women. ....But then how does that explain why the feminists never abandoned William Jefferson? Oh, wait, he promised them abortion on demand, so his problems with Broaddrick, Wiley and Jones were forgiven by the feminist hypocrites.

 

[Cicero]

Dear me, you mean some women have criticized her?

Well, they mustn't do that, must they? That would be like a man criticizing Obama.

However, this is not what Brainster and Cleon were talking about.

But it is what Tricky was talking about. If you look real close, you will notice the reply was to his post.

 

[Cleon]

Naturally. How could anyone expect the support of feminists when one has a history of boorish behavior with women. ....But then how does that explain why the feminists never abandoned William Jefferson? Oh, wait, he promised them abortion on demand, so his problems with Broaddrick, Wiley and Jones were forgiven by the feminist hypocrites.

What?

 

[Dr Adequate]

But it is what Tricky was talking about. If you look real close, you will notice the reply was to his post.

Excuse me: I meant, of course: "This is not what Brainster and Tricky were talking about."

 

[Cicero]

What?

You mean that feminists organizations rallied to Broderick, Wiley and Jones? Or are you confused why they didn't?

 

[Cleon]

You mean that feminists organizations rallied to Broderick, Wiley and Jones?

I would love to know why you would think the one-word question "What?" could possibly mean that.

Or are you confused why they didn't?

I'm confused because your post had no coherent point whatsoever.

 

[Cicero]

I would love to know why you would think the one-word question "What?" could possibly mean that.



I'm confused because your post had no coherent point whatsoever.

No opinion? OK.

 

[leftysergeant]

Naturally. How could anyone expect the support of feminists when one has a history of boorish behavior with women.

Solidarity does not include welcoming enemies of the cause into the tent.

....But then how does that explain why the feminists never abandoned William Jefferson? Oh, wait, he promised them abortion on demand...

Along with other principles of government in keeping with the feminist aggenda.

so his problems with Broaddrick, Wiley and Jones were forgiven by the feminist hypocrites.

Well, were there convincing evidence that he actually did any of the things that the bed-hopping slut, the wife of a felon facing serious prison time and shame so great that he decided to off himself, and a whackadoodle attention whore alledged, it might have been different.

There is more convincing evidence that the Shrub started a war because he just wanted tob than that Clinton ever raped anyone.

 

[Cicero]

Solidarity does not include welcoming enemies of the cause into the tent.



Along with other principles of government in keeping with the feminist aggenda.



Well, were there convincing evidence that he actually did any of the things that the bed-hopping slut, the wife of a felon facing serious prison time and shame so great that he decided to off himself, and a whackadoodle attention whore alledged, it might have been different.

There is more convincing evidence that the Shrub started a war because he just wanted tob than that Clinton ever raped anyone.

Susan Brownmiller
(author of "Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape")

"I think Juanita Broaddrick's story is credible. You judge a witness when you see them. I watched her on television and she struck me as telling an honest story. Now, I part company with someone like -- who is that right-wing woman on MSNBC? Laura Ingraham -- who is saying, "Monster rapist in the White House!" If you read "Against Our Will," you know I don't call men monsters for raping. I think Bill Clinton at that time was probably unaware that he was being anything more than assertive. It just seemed like he was operating under the assumption of: "Wow, I have some authority and I can use a little force here and this is what she wants." This is the struggle that the women's movement faced in politicizing rape."

Susan Faludi
(journalist and author of "Backlash: The Undeclared War against American Women")

"Juanita Broaddrick's story sounded credible to me, but I'm just somebody watching somebody speak on television. It's not a story that I've personally investigated, so to say that she's credible is just a gut reaction on my part. That said, I have no reason to disbelieve her. If it's true -- and again I don't have any way of judging based on the information that's absorbed through television and news articles about an event that happened 21 years ago -- it's terrible, it's awful, it's all the adjectives one could think of.

I'm not sure what Juanita Broaddrick wants done. The media immediately released all her allegations. And the idea that a charge is not provable didn't matter in Packwood's case -- nor did the statute of limitations. In the case of Justice Thomas, there weren't any criminal allegations or anyone saying it was just a private act. None of the parallels work."

Barbara Ledeen
(executive director for policy of the Independent Women's Forum)

"I found Juanita Broaddrick credible in part because I'm 51 myself and I remember that, back in the olden days, if you weren't married and you weren't a virgin, you certainly couldn't claim rape. She was vulnerable because her company had to be licensed by the state of Arkansas, and because she was in a small town and she was a married woman having an affair. It was a terribly different climate. All those elements combined together means she absolutely couldn't go and file any charges. She would have been a fool to have said something.

I also believe her because biting in many cases is a component of rape. Rapists bite generally on the lip or the breast. This [incident] fits the pattern of a rapist.

To my mind, Mr. Clinton's feminist policy is lie down, shut up and ignore it. Feminists have had to go outside their box at every level to protect Mr. Clinton. With Anita Hill, one mantra was "Women don't lie about things like this" and another was "I believe you, Anita," and there were immediately buttons and things like that."

 

[Brainster]

And Gloria Steinem:

"I believe the women who have accused Clinton, just for starters,'' she says.

Although she managed to find a way to believe the women without quite believing that Bubba had done anything deserving of impeachment; in fact she suggested sexual addiction therapy.

 

[Cicero]

And Gloria Steinem:



Although she managed to find a way to believe the women without quite believing that Bubba had done anything deserving of impeachment; in fact she suggested sexual addiction therapy.

Same with Patricia Ireland, President of the National Organization for Women:

"I don't think there could have been a mistake about whether it was consensual or not and so I'm left with a he said, she said and as I say, he doesn't have much credibility." --

Odd. They all believe Broderick to be credible, yet they all gave
Clinton a pass.

 

[hgc]

NYT columnist Maureen Dowd on Sarah Palin

"Sarah is a zealot, but she’s a fun zealot. She has a beehive and sexy shoes, and the day she’s named she goes shopping with McCain in Ohio for a cheerleader outfit for her daughter."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31dowd.html?_r=1&em

I don't know what that's supposed to prove. Dowd is apolitical, and has used NYT op-ed pages to spew inane gender-based drivel, like your example, for years.

If you're looking for an actual liberal gender crackpot, then you could have gone with Olbermann.

 

[leftysergeant]

Lomg and short of it, Palin has nothing between her ears, which is where feminism is seated. What is between her thighs is an inescapable biologicxal phenomenon, and has no bearing on her ability to reason or inclination to think that womenn should have a say in the conduct of public policy beyond cheerfleading for the party line.