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$1M Controlled Demolition Challenge?

alienentity said:
Bill, you tryin' to discourage a real-world test of truther theory? You ain't scared is you?

No test pilots in trutherland huh? Just theoreticians who don't actually have to do anything or make anything that works.
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I suppose you can run your real world replica test side by side with Heiwa running his paper based one. The more activity on the 9/11 front the better. I think the world's engineers would prefer to sit in a bar in the evenings after work examining the oficial story to see if they can validate it and win one million dollars. If they find that they cannot they can contact www.ae911truth.org for advice and councelling on what to do next.
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I think you may have misread the challenge - it is the truth movement that will have to do the proving, not the other way around.

Gage, Fetzer et al will have to find engineers who are even capable of creating brand new, never-before-seen nanothermite explosive charges which cut laterally. That will probably take a few years to develop.

But I think they will learn a bit of respect for basic physics and engineering, which they currently lack, in the process of interfacing with reality.

Talk is cheap. Real proof will be very, very difficult, if not impossible to find.

I suspect the 'truth' movement will stick to cheap talk. It's much easier than actually doing something.
 
alienentity said:
I think you may have misread the challenge - it is the truth movement that will have to do the proving, not the other way around.

Gage, Fetzer et al will have to find engineers who are even capable of creating brand new, never-before-seen nanothermite explosive charges which cut laterally. That will probably take a few years to develop.

But I think they will learn a bit of respect for basic physics and engineering, which they currently lack, in the process of interfacing with reality.

Talk is cheap. Real proof will be very, very difficult, if not impossible to find.

I suspect the 'truth' movement will stick to cheap talk. It's much easier than actually doing something.
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I suspect that Heiwa's idea is for the world's engineers to examine the official story of the top 13 floors crushing the bottom and stronger 97 floors of WTC1 into nothingness as he official story would have it. The lure of a one million dollar reward will tempt a huge number of them into really looking at the government story for the first time. I guess we know what they will discover. www.ae911truth.org will be standing by with advice and councelling (and a pen of course)

I reckon that as Heiwa may be putting up the money he can call the shots on the conditions and execution of he $1M challenge.
 
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Hey Bill,

I think you're on the wrong thread: This one's the proposal we're making, not the one Heiwa's making. That's another thread.

btw, what on earth makes you suspect he actually HAS $1M? Aren't you being just a wee bit uncritical? It seems that way.
Anyway, feel free to stick to the thread topic, which is OUR proposal. Start another thread if you wish to discuss the other.

cheers
 
alienentity said:
Hey Bill,

I think you're on the wrong thread: This one's the proposal we're making, not the one Heiwa's making. That's another thread.

btw, what on earth makes you suspect he actually HAS $1M? Aren't you being just a wee bit uncritical? It seems that way.
Anyway, feel free to stick to the thread topic, which is OUR proposal. Start another thread if you wish to discuss the other.

A mill is not as much as it used to be. Besides....there is almost no risk because no engineer will ever prove tht the top 13 floors of WTC1 crushed the bottom 97 stronger floors all the way down to the ground.

cheers
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A mill is not as much as it used to be. Besides....there is almost no risk because no engineer will ever prove tht the top 13 floors of WTC1 crushed the bottom 97 stronger floors all the way down to the ground.
 
bill smith said:
A mill is not as much as it used to be. Besides....there is almost no risk because no engineer will ever prove tht the top 13 floors of WTC1 crushed the bottom 97 stronger floors all the way down to the ground.
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Circular logic Bill. Why does that not surprise me?
What happened to critical thinking? Do they make you check it at the door when you join A&E truthbots?

You are much more gullible than I suspected. A little skepticism would help. Do you believe everything these guys tell you?
 
bill makes a solid point. When crazy people hold a crazy contest based on a crazy premise that no one is actually going to participate in, the imaginary prize money they offer is not at risk.
 
Anyway, that last question was rhetorical. Please don't answer it.

Please start another thread if you want to discuss Heiwa. This is not the place.

Thanks
 
alienentity said:
Circular logic Bill. Why does that not surprise me?
What happened to critical thinking? Do they make you check it at the door when you join A&E truthbots?

You are much more gullible than I suspected. A little skepticism would help. Do you believe everything these guys tell you?
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Yeah...I'm a sucker for a credible story.
 
Video cameras and stills shots must be David Bailey perfect. No zooming, no shudder, no audio dub
 
bill smith said:
A mill is not as much as it used to be. Besides....there is almost no risk because no engineer will ever prove tht the top 13 floors of WTC1 crushed the bottom 97 stronger floors all the way down to the ground.
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Did you fail engineering?

The top 12 floor start to fall and hitting the 13th floor in 0.87 seconds at 8.52 m/s the new speed as the 98th floor fails is 7.86 m/s.

You see it becomes somewhat like a simple case of momentum due to the fact the current mass and speed can not be stopped by the structure below and in addition we have the mass growing.
14 floors hit the next floor
15 floors hit the next floor
16 floors hit the next floor
17 floors hit the next floor
18 floors hit the next floor
...
109 floors hit the last floor. 12.08 seconds!!! Math really helps and physics would too. Got Physics?

Just proved with simple momentum and I am owed 1 million dollars by your deluison junk ideas about 911.

Funny how a simple model matches the collapse time! Gee, you got to love Newton! He figured out 911 all those years ago and you can’t figure it out with 7 years and lots of help.

Why are you lacking evidence and knowledge on 911?
 
beachnut said:
Did you fail engineering?

The top 12 floor start to fall and hitting the 13th floor in 0.87 seconds at 8.52 m/s the new speed as the 98th floor fails is 7.86 m/s.

You see it becomes somewhat like a simple case of momentum due to the fact the current mass and speed can not be stopped by the structure below and in addition we have the mass growing.
14 floors hit the next floor
15 floors hit the next floor
16 floors hit the next floor
17 floors hit the next floor
18 floors hit the next floor
...
109 floors hit the last floor. 12.08 seconds!!! Math really helps and physics would too. Got Physics?

Just proved with simple momentum and I am owed 1 million dollars by your deluison junk ideas about 911.

Funny how a simple model matches the collapse time! Gee, you got to love Newton! He figured out 911 all those years ago and you can’t figure it out with 7 years and lots of help.

Why are you lacking evidence and knowledge on 911?
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In my minds eye I strip away the floors and the cladding and see only the massive interbraced steel structure. Then I imagine the whole thing as a line 13 units long falling a tiny distance to land on a slightly thicker line 97 units long. Then I watch the13 units push the 97 units into the ground. Then I say.....Nah.
 
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bill smith said:
Yeah...I'm a sucker for a credible story.
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Good. Then suck on this: Leslie Robertson, the original head SE for WTC towers is on record as having 'carried the event far enough along so that I became convinced that if you dropped the floors above onto the floors below, ie caused a collapse in the middle of the building someplace, that without question, the collapse would continue right down to the foundations. There's no way that the structure below would be able to carry, let us say, fourteen floors. Not possible. Not even close to being possible. And it would not be a slow failure, either. Drop fourteen floors on any one floor of that building and it would collapse instantly..... instantly as far as you or I would be able to perceive it.'

There. You have the most credible story available, from the guy who probably knows more about that building's structure than Heiwa does in his wildest dreams.

But I suspect you'll ignore the most qualified opinion, as it contradicts your fantasy.

By all means, throw your money and time into Heiwa, on another thread. Keep ignoring basic facts and good science on your way to truther heaven, where it is said all this truther nonsense makes sense.

all good truthers go there when they die, it's said. But only if they really, really believe what the truther gods say to them.
 
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bill smith said:
In my minds eye I strip away the floors and the cladding and see only the massive interbraced steel structure. Then I imagine the whole thing as a line 13 units long falling a tiny distance to land on a slightly thicker line 97 units long. Then I watch the13 units push the 97 units into the ground. Then I say.....Nah.
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Bill. Are you an SE? I understand if you don't have a good intuitive, gut feel for collapse mechanics and physics. That's ok.
But instead of being so unbelievably arrogant to think you know better, out of ignorance, try a little humility and lend an ear to those who really DO understand. Like when you were in school.

How you people can dismiss scores of hardworking scientists who've dedicated themselves to earning advanced degrees, and then applied this to the investigation of 9-11 (such as those who worked for FEMA and NIST) is beyond belief. It is pathetic and sad that anti-knowledge is more attractive to you.

You actually seem to prefer anti-knowledge. I guess it's the mental equivalent of trying to get healthy by eating sugary cereal for breakfast and McDonald's junkfood for dinner. Self-defeating.

good luck on your Heiwa thread. I promise I won't visit.
 
alienentity said:
Good. Then suck on this: Leslie Robertson, the original head SE for WTC towers is on record as having 'carried the event far enough along so that I became convinced that if you dropped the floors above onto the floors below, ie caused a collapse in the middle of the building someplace, that without question, the collapse would continue right down to the foundations. There's no way that the structure below would be able to carry, let us say, fourteen floors. Not possible. Not even close to being possible. And it would not be a slow failure, either. Drop fourteen floors on any one floor of that building and it would collapse instantly..... instantly as far as you or I would be able to perceive it.'

There. You have the most credible story available, from the guy who probably knows more about that building's structure than Heiwa does in his wildest dreams.

But I suspect you'll ignore the most qualified opinion, as it contradicts your fantasy.

By all means, throw your money and time into Heiwa, on another thread. Keep ignoring basic facts and good science on your way to truther heaven, where it is said all this truther nonsense makes sense.

all good truthers go there when they die, it's said. But only if they really, really believe what the truther gods say to them.
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But pore ole Les completely forgot that the core ws still intact preventing the floors falling free. the drop was only 20 inches anyway. Pore ole Les.
 
'But pore ole Les completely forgot that the core ws still intact preventing the floors falling free. the drop was only 20 inches anyway. Pore ole Les.'

Bill, congratulations! You are arrogant enough to believe you know more than the original SE on the towers.

I rest my case. Ignorance and arrogance in a toxic combination produces anti-knowledge. Always has, always will.

It's back to the dark ages of critical thinking.
 
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