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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
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No, their concept of God is very different from mainline Christianity. And we thus get into the Law of Non-Contradiction. They believe God (the Father) exists in human form similar to you and me and lives on the planet Kolob. This is extremely different from mainline Christianity where God (the Father) is spirit. Most people are unaware of this. They do some good work though.
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What a big dodge and red herring.

Why don't you believe Joseph Smith's claim? Perhaps he is right and you and mainline Christians are wrong.

We have first hand accounts from Smith, which is better than your Jesus claims since no author of the Bible ever met Jesus or witnessed a single thing claimed in it.
 
DOC said:
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No, their concept of God is very different from mainline Christianity. And we thus get into the Law of Non-Contradiction. They believe God (the Father) exists in human form similar to you and me and lives on the planet Kolob. This is extremely different from mainline Christianity where God (the Father) is spirit. Most people are unaware of this. They do some good work though.
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Yes, it's different, but that doesn't make it any more or less true. Do you reject their ideas simply because you've already chosen to believe something else?
 
Hokulele said:
That site DOC linked certainly is retarded.

http://www.eadshome.com/creation.htm
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This particular web page you brought in and think is retarded had a link to a page that had an interesting quote from the rocket scientist Wernher Von Braun.

Wernher Von Braun [1912-1977]; first Director of NASA, pioneer of space exploration

"Scientific concepts exist only in the minds of men. Behind these concepts lies the reality which is being revealed to us, but only by the grace of God."

http://www.eadshome.com/Sciencequotes.htm
 
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Yes, it's different, but that doesn't make it any more or less true. Do you reject their ideas simply because you've already chosen to believe something else?
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The Bible says God {the Father} is spirit. That's not what Mormons believe. There has been a few threads about Mormonism, you might want to check them out.
 
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DOC said:
This particular web page you brought in and think is retarded had an interesting quote from the rocket scientist Wernher Von Braun.

Wernher Von Braun [1912-1977]; first Director of NASA, pioneer of space exploration

"Scientific concepts exist only in the minds of men. Behind these concepts lies the reality which is being revealed to us, but only by the grace of God."
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So? Did I mention that smart people can be retarded by religion?

Godwin Alert: Oh yeah, look up his history during WW2.
 
DOC said:
The Bible says God {the Father} is spirit. That's not what Mormons believe. There has been a few threads about Mormonism, you might want to check them out.
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So what was Jesus?

Isn't DOC powerful, he can limit God's power just like that.
 
DOC said:
The Bible says God {the Father} is spirit. That's not what Mormons believe. There has been a few threads about Mormonism, you might check them out.
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No thanks, right now I'm more interested in you than in Mormonism. Yes, as you say, Mormonism is different from what you believe. We agree on that. My question is, why do you reject Mormonism? Is it simply because you chose to believe in your particular beliefs first, or are there specific reasons why you find Mormonism to be less credible? What, to you, makes your own beliefs more credible than Mormonism? Just curious.

ETA: Or to put it another way, lets say I am interested in becoming Christian. I am trying to decide between your particular beliefs, and Mormonism. How would you advise me on making my choice?
 
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DOC said:
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No, their concept of God is very different from mainline Christianity. And we thus get into the Law of Non-Contradiction. They believe God (the Father) exists in human form similar to you and me and lives on the planet Kolob. This is extremely different from mainline Christianity where God (the Father) is spirit. Most people are unaware of this. They do some good work though.
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But they have more reliable evidence (of the kind that Geisler uses) than christianity does.
They have signed avidavits to the truthfullness of the plates and the angel. That's something that christianity doesn't have. especially for the resurrection. They only have hearsay. There are at most 2 first hand accounts.


If the mormon evidence doesn't convince you, then perhaps that suggests something about the evidence (of the same sort) that you present.
 
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You forget that the Church only does this after much medical testing has exhausted all possibilities and other criteria is met. And I assume you want to take away the parents (if not the effected person's) own right to freedom of religion.
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For me exorcisms are related to LARP. Both are quite useless, and some take it way too far (death and all that).

Many exorcism targets don't want it, and its forced upon them, and that is also taking it too far.
 
six7s said:
How do you remember this?
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Strangely, as medical technology improves the number of exorcisms seem to decrease. Does this mean we are better at warding off demons, better able to differentiate between real demonic possession and illness, or that the demons don't actually exist?
 
arthwollipot said:
Is it just me, or does this particular DOC thread seem more... epic than previous DOC threads?
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This thread is currently smaller than the 'Thomas Jefferson's admiration and financial support of Christianity" thread and much smaller than the "Most Atheists don't know what science says about our origins" thread. So we got a ways to go yet.
 
This thread is currently smaller than the 'Thomas Jefferson's admiration and financial support of Christianity" thread and much smaller than the "Most Atheists don't know what science says about our origins" thread. So we got a ways to go yet.
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...and, as we all know, the longer doc's threads are, the righter they are... :rolleyes:
 
There is a interview of Bart Ehrman about his book titled 'The Gospel Truth: Sometimes A Little Hazy' on NPR.

It is a 38 minutes interview about the contradictions in the gospels, as well as touching on the true identity of the gospels' authors.


I still can't post links yet but if you go to NPR.com and use the search options with the title of the interview, you should find it without problems...
 
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