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Universal Health Care in the US. Yea or Nea?

Universal Health Care in America?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 68 61.8%

  • No!

    Votes: 24 21.8%

  • Don't care.

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • I don't know enough either way to answer right now.

    Votes: 10 9.1%

  • Universal Shemp Care.

    Votes: 6 5.5%
  • Total voters
    110
  • Poll closed .
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
If I use the insurance. Yes, but at least the people in the insurance program are voluntary participants.
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So you're voluntarily making yourself a burden. You're choosing to be a freeloader. Isn't that WORSE than a system where there are no "freeloaders" at all? Don't you hate yourself for being a drain on other people?

Just pay for your healthcare out of your pocket at cost, freeloader.
 
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Again, explain to me how you're more ideologically comfortable with that? Seems like you're quite the freeloader, as you're actively taking steps to make yourself a burden on others!
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Not if I'm contributing.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
Not if I'm contributing.
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But you're contributing less than you could take out. In other words, you're stealing from the other people in the pool. Aren't you?

You are choosing to become a burden. You are making a decision to become worse than those whom you decry, who are "burdens" through little or no choice of their own. Put your money where your mouth is, cancel your insurance and pay for all healthcare at cost, or stop being such an ideologue and face reality.
 
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Just pay for your healthcare out of your pocket at cost, freeloader.
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Once John Stossel finds a way for me to afford it, that's what I plan on doing. Until then I'll happily/voluntarily join a group of equally hard working people who pool together our resources to help the greater(sicker) good.
 
You are choosing to become a burden. You are making a decision to become worse than those whom you decry, who are "burdens" through little or no choice of their own. Put your money where your mouth is, cancel your insurance and pay for all healthcare at cost, or stop being such an ideologue and face reality.
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I'm not a burden by choice. This insurance was the only plan offered by the employer. I can say that I won't have insurance in about a months time when my business gets going. I'll probably look into the new doctors office at Walmart, hehehe.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
Once John Stossel finds a way for me to afford it, that's what I plan on doing. Until then I'll happily/voluntarily join a group of equally hard working people who pool together our resources to help the greater(sicker) good.
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Please explain to me why it is better for you to choose to become a burden to others, than to be a burden through no fault of your own? You are actively choosing to become a burden, whilst castigating those who are burdens unavoidably.

This reliance on Stossel to make your arguments for you further reinforces the idea that this is a religion and not a rational decision for you. Wait for this Pope of the religion of selfish individualism to decide what to think, whilst feeling morally superior to others even as you hypocritically engage in behaviour worse than that which you judge others for. You're hardly better than Ted Haggard.

Why are you on a sceptics forum when you think so uncritically?
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
I'm not a burden by choice. This insurance was the only plan offered by the employer. I can say that I won't have insurance in about a months time when my business gets going. I'll probably look into the new doctors office at Walmart, hehehe.
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Surely you could have opted out of the plan and saved up what you would have paid in premiums, to pay for your health care?
 
If you're a voluntary participant then you do have a choice. The choice you don't select is the one where you do not "risk" being a burden on others.
 
Okay, okay, this is going crazy again. I just came on here originally to check the validity of the WHO rankings. Since people in here really want to believe Columbia has better healthcare than the US, I guess that is where I'll stop it for today. Even though their infant mortality rate and life expectancy are both way worse than the US. I'll come back when I've learned some more, but I'm calling BS on the WHO rankings.

If the rankings are wack then I think the argument for UHC is wack. I'd be fine with a more expensive per capita health cost as long as we are better than 37 and from what I can tell that ranking list has already come into question by a few organizations so.....to be continued.
 
If you're a voluntary participant then you do have a choice. The choice you don't select is the one where you do not "risk" being a burden on others.
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Sorry, I was being a smart-donkey!;)

I get so confused in here sometimes...... (SIGH)

I wanted to get people take on the Stossel video I posted but I'm not sure if anyone saw it so I'll make another thread outta it. The people on the video say everything all smart n stuff.
 
Evasion/denial noted
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How's it feel being smart, sassy, pretty, and English? I want to get mad but all I see is a sweet lil thang flash'n on my screen every few seconds ;]
 
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DaN K. StAnLeY said:
How's it feel being smart, sassy, pretty, and English?
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I've got one of those four- I could give you a quarter of an answer if you like?


Serious question though, if you're still here:

Is the most important thing to you the consideration that no-one gets anything for nothing? I only ask becasue that appears to be your primary concern. I think most of the rest of us don't mind the odd patient getting 'free' treatment if it means that the cost for each of us is cheaper and that nobody dies when they could have been cured.

(NB - have you seen 'Scrubs'? - they spend all their time fiddling insurance. It's on TV so it must be true)
 
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Is the most important thing to you the consideration that no-one gets anything for nothing?
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No, it's really not. I really want what is best for the most people. I really hate the idea of people getting something for nothing, but I usually find myself playing devils advocate here because it will get me the best side of the opposing argument. I just wish I could argue more eloquently for the free market/capitalist side but I just don't know enough about either. I'm not being productive now because I'm too tired, but I feel like if we let socialism take hold in too many places we are screwed. I know people in here think that is a fallacy but just look at Social Security, food stamps, public schools, the post office. They are all either impossible to get rid of now, or they are horrible quality services.

I really hope if I start to P anyone Off that you put me on ignore. Sometimes it takes me hearing/reading stuff several times before it hits me. I will keep arguing against soc HC until I'm satisfied with what I know about it. It's just how I seem to learn best.
 
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