10 story hole in WTC 7 - Part II

Christopher7 said:
Wrong!
Open fires cannot melt steel. Smoldering debris pile fires cannot melt steel. You know that. Why do you keep making this ridiculous claim?
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Once again, so what keep the metal molten after the thermite reaction had stopped? Where did the heat come from to maintain the molten metal in this state for weeks?
 
The Final report is riddled with lies, omissions, distortions of fact and computer simulations that don't match the facts.

For example:

NCSTAR 9-1 Vol.2 pg 581[243]
"Figure 12–56 shows that west interior Columns 59, 62, 65, and 66, which were damaged after the debris impact by WTC 1 and by thermally-induced damage from the fires,"

This is a lie! There was no mention of damage to these columns anywhere in any NIST report.

Furthermore, NIST clearly states that the columns were NOT damaged by the fires.

NCSTAR Final 1A pg 21
Due to the effectiveness of the SFRM, the highest column temperatures in WTC 7 only reached an estimated 300 °C (570 °F),
 
Christopher7 said:
See post 151
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Sorry that does not prove anything.

Please link me to something that shows or describes this loading dock at the west side.

The ramp is on page 5.5 of the FEMA report. I cannot see a loading dock marked anywhere. Logic disctaes the loading dock would be in the loading ramp.
 
Christopher7 said:
No. When thermite burns at 2500°C it heats the steel to that temperature. The starting difference will be about 1900°C.
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OK. So what would be the condition of steel heated to this temperature? Solid or liquid?
 
Christopher7 said:
Where is the Promenade?
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Please link me to something that shows or describes this loading dock at the west side.

The ramp is on page 5.5 of the FEMA report. I cannot see a loading dock marked anywhere. Logic dictates the loading dock would be in the loading ramp.
 
GlennB said:
OK. So what would be the condition of steel heated to this temperature? Solid or liquid?
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You know. You just want to argue semantics some more in a never ending attempt to avoid:

Thermite is the only explanation for the molten metal.

WTC 7 fell at free fall for 105 feet.
 
Christopher7 said:
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You know. You just want to argue semantics some more in a never ending attempt to avoid:

Thermite is the only explanation for the molten metal.
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You are in the total abject minority on this one. Again, pardon me if I desire a second opinion.

It appears that you want to keep on stating this over and over again in a never-ending attempt to avoid:

You're wrong.
 
C7 said:
Thermite is the only explanation for the molten metal.
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twinstead said:
You are in the total abject minority on this one. Again, pardon me if I desire a second opinion.
It appears that you want to keep on stating this over and over again in a never-ending attempt to avoid:
You're wrong.
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Do you have another explanation?
 
Christopher7 said:
This statement was taken in 2004. You are using it as a diversion from molten metal and free fall.

Diversion question.
The glob in the crab claw is in the 2100-2500°F.
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Isn't steel in a liquid non-pliable state at this temperature? THe melting point of iron is 1500oC, are you certain that vehicle would be able to pick up the entire mass when it's in a liquid state? I'm looking at photos specifically showing steel at the temperatures you're contending and this isn't a semi solid mass that can be grabbed, in fact it's showering sparks like the fourth of July... link 2
 
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Christopher7 said:
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You know. You just want to argue semantics some more ....
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Yes I know. It would be liquid. It would then flow downwards until it could flow no further. It would assume the shape of whatever lowest receiving area could contain it, or stick to stuff along the way if its temperature dropped sufficiently.

It would lose its original form as a column, or beam or whatever. Become amorphous.

Your "glob" still has form, at least at the top. This demonstrates that this part of the supposed steel member has never melted.

Yet you have already acknowledged that only above-melting point initial temperatures could explain it still being at the temperature you claim.

Your argument is self-contradictory.

This is not "semantics", it's science.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
Isn't steel in a liquid non-pliable state at this temperature? THe melting point of iron is 1500oC, are you certain that vehicle would be able to pick up the entire mass when it's in a liquid state? I'm looking at photos specifically showing steel at the temperatures you're contending and this isn't a semi solid mass that can be grabbed, in fact it's showering sparks like the fourth of July... link 2
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The top part is 2100°F (1150°C) steel is semi-solid. The crab claw grabbed the semi-solid part.

You are asking about particulars and avoiding the point.

Thermite is the only known explanation for the molten metal.

Do you have another explanation?
 
Christopher7 said:
Do you have another explanation?
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Another explanation? Dude. You haven't even showed to anybody's satisfaction that there was molten steel. This is your claim. Support it. Until you can convince some real experts I'm very dubious you can.
 
GlennB said:
Yes I know. It would be liquid. It would then flow downwards until it could flow no further. It would assume the shape of whatever lowest receiving area could contain it, or stick to stuff along the way if its temperature dropped sufficiently.

It would lose its original form as a column, or beam or whatever. Become amorphous.

Your "glob" still has form, at least at the top. This demonstrates that this part of the supposed steel member has never melted.

Yet you have already acknowledged that only above-melting point initial temperatures could explain it still being at the temperature you claim.

Your argument is self-contradictory.

This is not "semantics", it's science.
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It's double talk avoiding the point.

Thermite is the only known explanation for the molten metal.

You refuse to acknowledge that.
 
Christopher7 said:
It's double talk avoiding the point.

Thermite is the only known explanation for the molten metal.

You refuse to acknowledge that.
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Your contention relies substantially on the assumption that thermite was even used, which to date has been nothing but an enormous affirmation of the consequent...
 
twinstead said:
Another explanation? Dude. You haven't even showed to anybody's satisfaction that there was molten steel. This is your claim. Support it. Until you can convince some real experts I'm very dubious you can.
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I can keep this up as long as you can.

At those temperatures, it could only be steel/iron.

You are in denial.
 
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