Show trials for Bush Administration

Texas said:
We are talking about Justice. If Bush and Cheney are indeed guilty of Treason and War Crimes then there is only one way to get justice and that is in a court of law.
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No...there is a much better way. You should grab them off the street and send them to another country who can roger them with cucumbers until they talk.

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On second thoughts this may be a bit harsh. But then again.....They may have been strangling kittens when they were alone at night in the whitehouse. Probably the methods used should be subservient to the absolute need for Information. Cucumbers it is!!
 
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The Fool said:
No...there is a much better way. You should grab them off the street and send them to another country who can roger them with cucumbers until they talk.

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On second thoughts this may be a bit harsh. But then again.....They may have been strangling kittens when they were alone at night in the whitehouse. Probably the methods used should be subservient to the absolute need for Information. Cucumbers it is!!
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Strangled kittens confess unreliable intelligence information.
 
I have no love for the Bush adminstration, but why do I think a Democratic Dominated commision is not exactly going to be objective and fair about this?
It is gonna come off like the Impeachemnt of Clinton:A pure act of political mayhem masquerding as "justice".
 
I think it sets a wonderful precedent for four (or eight) years from now after the Obama administration is out of office.

Of course, the Democrats would never do anything that could be drug up and made a grandstanding congressional show trial out of, so of course they have nothing to worry about.
 
dudalb said:
It is gonna come off like the Impeachemnt of Clinton:A pure act of political mayhem masquerding as "justice".
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How about a true bipartisan committee with subpoena power along with immunity for all involved? The goal is to seek honest answers and determine how to fix the problems uncovered.

[Lennon]"You may say that I'm a dreamer...."[/Lennon]
 
Rika said:
Excluded middle! It's calling to you~
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Where is the middle ground when accusations of High Treason and War Crimes have been alleged against a former POUTUS and VPOTUS? If the democrats are serious then they should pressure the DOJ to bring charges and they can hand over the evidence they have gained from 5 years of congressional investigations.
 
DavidJames said:
How about a true bipartisan committee with subpoena power along with immunity for all involved? The goal is to seek honest answers and determine how to fix the problems uncovered.

[Lennon]"You may say that I'm a dreamer...."[/Lennon]
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I thought the goal was to punish wrong doing. Why not scrap the Soviet style show trials and get the issue into legitimate courts by having the DOJ bring charges? The Senate does not hold prosecutorial powers. The Senate acts as the trial court in impeachment proceedings but the Congress did not impeach Bush and Cheney so they obviously didn't think they had the evidence they need to do so.
 
Texas said:
What hyperbole am I using?
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Do you really lack self-awareness to that extent?

Texas said:
This will be the greatest television since the McCarthy hearings.
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Texas said:
Yep, if you can't have show trials of political enemies then our constitution and republic are dead. Why not open each proceeding with 2 minutes of hate?
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Texas said:
...The fact is, the Lahey wants to grandstand and act like a Soviet Commissar tasked with humiliating political enemies.
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Texas said:
...Why not scrap the Soviet style show trials...
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UnrepentantSinner said:
Do you really lack self-awareness to that extent?
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Do you know what "truth and reconciliation commissions" are? Do you know their history? I didn't invent the term it was Leahy called for them by name. He didn't say congressional hearings he said "Truth and Reconciliation commission". I didn't resort to hyperbole.
 
Texas said:
Do you know what "truth and reconciliation commissions" are? Do you know their history? I didn't invent the term it was Leahy called for them by name. He didn't say congressional hearings he said "Truth and Reconciliation commission". I didn't resort to hyperbole.
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I'm really starting to question whether you actually read what is posted here. Note that I said:
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I'm not sure whose hyperbole I find more egregious, the Congressional Democrats or Texas'.
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Barak Obama better hope there isn't a terror attack in the US under his watch. This would show tha Bush did the right thing and there were no war crimes. I don't see how torturing a terrorist is a war crime. They don't operate under the geneva conventions so they shouldn't get geneva convention protections. Let them put on uniforms and fight on battlefields.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
Then, again, I pointed out what hyperbole you were using in post 31.
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THis is my point. Bush and Cheney are being accused of war crimes both here and overseas. This is a statement from a senior UN official.

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=76488
Senior United Nations Official: Bush, Rumsfeld Should be Tried for War Crimes
The United Nations' special rapporteur on torture, Manfred Nowak, told German television that U.S. authorities should pursue President Bush and former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld for torturing prisoners at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

"Judicially speaking, the United States has a clear obligation," Nowak said. He pointed to U.S. ratification of the U.N. convention on torture, which requires signees to use "all means, particularly penal law" to proceed against torturers.

At issue, Nowak said, is whether "American law will recognize these forms of torture." A bipartisan Senate panel found Bush and other officials responsible for detainee abuse at Guantanamo Bay. The CIA has admitted to waterboarding prisoners.
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Bush left office without granting a single pardon to anyone in his administration. If he is indeed guilty of war crimes or if there is enough evidence to make those charges then to hell with a show trial that will be laughed out of existence and have Holder impanel a grand Jury and get an indictment. Hell in DC that would be a slam dunk. Put Bush and Cheney on trial and let it go through the courts and it will certainly end up in the USSC. Let's settle this once and for all in the venue that will actually make a difference.
 
skepticalbeliever said:
Barak Obama better hope there isn't a terror attack in the US under his watch. This would show tha Bush did the right thing and there were no war crimes. I don't see how torturing a terrorist is a war crime. They don't operate under the geneva conventions so they shouldn't get geneva convention protections. Let them put on uniforms and fight on battlefields.
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No, in your example there would still be crimes, just crimes done for a "good purpose". The fact that the Bush admin approach prevented an attack (would need evidence to conclude this) would not negate the legal problems raised by their approach though it would make them more palatable to the public.

Spain was attacked in a major terrorist operation. Soon they withdrew their troops from Iraq. They have not been attacked since. They did not adopt a torture policy nor remove the right to habeas corpus.

So I'm curious - which approach is the real "terrorist preventer" here? Spain's still been unmolested by middle eastern terrorists, so which lesson are we to infer?

"Being tough" and "withdrawal" both seem to be resulting in the "prevention" of terrorist attacks...

Maybe the real answer is that making causal assertions about a particular policy and an event like a terrorist attack is tricky business..;)
 
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