Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[Gravy]

Post #100. Those are concrete slabs embedded with the steel truss support structure. They're pretty deformed but if you understand anything at all about the floor construction of WTC it's not that hard to see it.

A classic example of truthers looking at a blurry photo and drawing wrong conclusions. Remember the photo of this that Steven Jones used in his legendary paper? It could have been a lump of pudding, for all the detail you could see.

I've been to Hangar 17 (plenty of primer paint scraps there to be had for the asking!). That piece is exactly what they say it is: a section of 3-4 floors and their contents. You can clearly see the corrugated steel floor pans separating the floors. There is unburned paper embedded in that mass.

The fantasy: Richard Gage on crackpot Kevin Barrett's Radio show, May, 2008:
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"We would expect to see, in a gravitational collapse, about 110 floors down at the bottom of the pile. Hey, I'd settle for 50. How about 20? No, we don't find even 1 floor down at the bottom.

All the metal decking that's used to form this concrete is completely pulverized. You find it in these tiny filings in all of the dust. THAT'S WHERE IT IS."

Gage repeats this idiocy in the Hardfire shows with me:
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At about 11:20: "There's a hundred and ten floors that collapsed. We would expect to see 50 or 20. We don't even see one floor. In fact they've been shredded. Not only the concrete, but the decking, and the floor trusses underneath. Not one has been found.

At 12:35: "A few pancakes. That's all I'm asking for."

The reality
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"My gang cut away a section of a wall. We counted 14 floors compressed into eight feet." –Ironworker Terry Strobel, PBS.org: America Rebuilds

"Two weeks after 9/11, engineers Pablo Lopez and Andrew Pontecorvo are walking in the B2 basement level at the ruins of the World Trade Center, towards where the North Tower stood. They discover a “solid, rocklike mass where the basement levels of the tower had been,” and see “the recognizable traces of twenty floors, very much like geologic strata revealed by a road cut, compressed into a ten-foot vertical span.

In one place, the steel decks of half a dozen floors protruded like tattered wallpaper, so close together that they were almost touching where they were bent downward at the edge. Nothing between the decks was recognizable except as a rocky, rusty mishmash. In a few places what might have been carbonized, compressed stacks of paper stuck out edgewise like graphite deposits.” –James Glanz and Eric Lipton, "102 Minutes." 2004, p. 310

Why anyone would believe anything Gage and his gang of lazy, lying, despicable creeps say, is beyond me.

 

[A W Smith]

Whats that string and white bag for? is that hooked up to some sort of motion alarm?

 

[twinstead]

Whats that string and white bag for? is that hooked up to some sort of motion alarm?

It's just a nano-thermite residue remover--nothing to see here, move along.

 

[GlennB]

Whats that string and white bag for? is that hooked up to some sort of motion alarm?

Maybe a humidity detector thingy ??? Definitely not a nano-thermite residue remover, oh no sirree. Not at all. No way. twinstead is miles wide of the mark here.

 

[alexi_drago]

Whats that string and white bag for? is that hooked up to some sort of motion alarm?

It's a small bail of cotton to keep the thing weighed down.

 

[Bell]

It's a small bail of cotton to keep the thing weighed down.

Heiwa! Come quick! Your expertise is needed here!

But more serious... I allways wondered if there are human remains between the floors

 

[T.A.M.]

Heiwa! Come quick! Your expertise is needed here!

But more serious... I allways wondered if there are human remains between the floors

unfortunately, there very likely is.

TAM

 

[Gravy]

But more serious... I allways wondered if there are human remains between the floors

Unknown, nor do they know where it's from. But because of that issue it's kept in a room of its own. They haven't decided if it's going to be part of the memorial or not.

 

[bje]

A classic example of truthers looking at a blurry photo and drawing wrong conclusions. Remember the photo of this that Steven Jones used in his legendary paper? It could have been a lump of pudding, for all the detail you could see.

I've been to Hangar 17 (plenty of primer paint scraps there to be had for the asking!). That piece is exactly what they say it is: a section of 3-4 floors and their contents. You can clearly see the corrugated steel floor pans separating the floors. There is unburned paper embedded in that mass.

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Why anyone would believe anything Gage and his gang of lazy, lying, despicable creeps say, is beyond me.

Let me add that after several revisions of Jones's paper, "Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?" , the caption to the above photo still reads:

"The following photograph has become available, evidently showing the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York:"

Many of us saw the problem with this description and challenged, separately by e-mail, and in public forums, for Steven Jones to offer an explanation of how molten metal could solidify around steel or iron rebar without melting the rebar.

Needless to say, Jones did not respond.

Do you see the problem with Jones's explanation, GodIsEnergy?

 

[Bell]

Unknown, nor do they know where it's from. But because of that issue it's kept in a room of its own. They haven't decided if it's going to be part of the memorial or not.

I hope they do. I think it is a very strong connection to the WTC tragedy.

When I visited the Ground Zero Museum Workshop I was very impressed with the items they showed, but it didn't really touch me emotionally, not in a very strong way that is. I think this would.

 

[A W Smith]

Heiwa! Come quick! Your expertise is needed here!

But more serious... I allways wondered if there are human remains between the floors

I doubt very much that there is any human remains in it, as cadaver dogs would have found them.

 

[Architect]

This coming from a bus tour driver ,wheres your structural engineering degree.

Well, mate, if you're going to start that kind of crap then I'll raise you two architecture degrees, ARB registration, RIBA membership, and 15 years experience in tall buildings.

I note a certain lack of response......

 

[GodisEnergy]

my sister been using me computer all day , i have to respond to like 50 debunkers on jref on multiple channels give me a sec

 

[JoeyDonuts]

my sister been using me computer all day , i have to respond to like 50 debunkers on jref on multiple channels give me a sec

Shouldn't take you too long. Your responses don't seem to have much thought behind them.

 

[GodisEnergy]

architect . My Quote was directed at Gravy. Me and him are both not Structual engineers.
If you want to Argue engineering and architecture do it with the architects and engineers for 911 truth.

 

[beachnut]

Gravy is rational, has excellent reading comprehension skills and is not gullible on 911 issues.

GiE spews lies from Jones and has no clue Jones is a liar, and Gaga is a Jones clone.

Gage's group has no evidence to go with their delusions.

 

[GodisEnergy]

Baart Vorsanger engineer examined the meteroite , he said it was made up largely of previously molten iron.
Gravy has shown the concrete looking side ,while the other side looks like Iron, with rust forming on parts.
Rebar and other materials have been compacted into this mess.No arguing there, but molten iron eventually cools and allows other materials form into it.

But anyway 100,000(? tonnes of concrete werent found only 10 or so floors of debris at the bottom,doesnt exactly indicate a pancake effect now does it.
Where did most of the dust go ,it was pulverised any idiot with a video player can see that.

 

[GodisEnergy]

Gravy is rational, has excellent reading comprehension skills and is not gullible on 911 issues.

GiE spews lies from Jones and has no clue Jones is a liar, and Gaga is a Jones clone.

Gage's group has no evidence to go with their delusions.

Gullibility is beleiving the official story

Jones is not a liar you havent proven that to me at all.The more time you repeat it without proof the more it shows your the liar

 

[beachnut]

Gullibility is beleiving the official story

Jones is not a liar you havent proven that to me at all.The more time you repeat it without proof the more it shows your the liar

Jones is a liar, and it has been demonstrated many times in posts. You failed to find them because you can't find or are not trying to find any evidence on 911 to support your position of delusions from Jones, or to understand 911.

Jones lied, you repeat his lies. Cool; good for you

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Rebar and other materials have been compacted into this mess.No arguing there, but molten iron eventually cools and allows other materials form into it.

What do you think the rebar and corrugated metal might have been a part of. Do you really want to be quizzed on how the floors were constructed? And if the entire block was once a mass of molten iron, as your authority claims then why are these constituents not partially melted themselves? How about even bits of uncombusted paper?

But anyway 100,000(? tonnes of concrete werent found only 10 or so floors of debris at the bottom,doesnt exactly indicate a pancake effect now does it.

I'll put this in laymen terms. The concrete slab on each floor system was 6 to 8 inches thick. The total area of each floor was an acre. Do you honestly believe that in a chaotic collapse such a relatively "thin" layer of concrete will remain in relatively pristine condition neatly stacked? Were aren't talking about those large T or double-T reinforced concrete structural beams between two and three feet thick at the thickest points. Remember that when you base your answers on examples like these.

Where did most of the dust go ,it was pulverised any idiot with a video player can see that.

I think you misfired when you wrote this portion...