Eugenie C. Scott Tackles Bigfoot

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So why cant it be possible for people to be correct in seeing a bf?

Why can't it be possible for people to be abducted by aliens?

 

[makaya325]

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please side stepping with the exxagerated analogies.

 

[kitakaze]

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Bigfoot sleep paralysis:

After a few hours of sleep I was partially awake at about 3:30. During this time I heard something approaching the camp site through the undergrowth. Struggling to become more alert, I found myself unable to move or do anything. I attribute this to being very exhausted. All I could do is listen, and I could do that. Our camp site was very quiet and the fire was completely out! Being separate from the rest of my group by about 25 feet, I felt a bit vulnerable and began dealing with fear as the sound kept getting closer. I didn’t want to radio Rob since all groups were monitoring the same channel, and I didn’t want to bother anyone who could be sleeping, so I tried to just get his attention by calling his name. I couldn’t even do that! Since I was in a one man tent without windows, I couldn’t see him to determine if he was recording whatever was approaching our camp. Now I was worried that by getting up and out of my tent, I would scare it (whatever it was) off and I could ruin a “Kodak moment” that might be in progress. Therefore, I didn’t continue to try to wake up. I figured it was probably a deer or something. I then began to fall back asleep, but not before, I felt something pressing softly on my right side. I was sleeping on my left side facing the others camped around the fire ring. This really elevated my fear level and I was able to work up enough strength to jerk my body away as if to say, “Get off me!” I guess I was too tiered to do anything because I then just laid there listening to it (whatever it was) move away the same way it approached.
Later when everyone started getting up, I went to Rob and asked if he herd anything last night, and he said frankly, “yes I did”! “I heard something walking all around our site”. He described the exact same sounds that I heard. So that’s when I told him what I experienced, saying I must have been exhausted and only imagined what took place. He replied, “That’s exactly what so many people have reported, while out camping”. Apparently, this is one of the things Saquatch will do in an inquisitive sort of way, just gently touch people while they’re sleeping….
If that is what happened, it freaked me out! However, I can’t say for sure because I was apparently too tired, which is strange since I normally wake up between 2:30 and 3:30 am every day.
There you have it…

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=150505&threadid=1696820&page=1

That is from the 2007 BFRO Vancouver Island expedition. I have experienced such sleep paralysis many many times.

please side stepping with the exxagerated analogies.

Comparing BF claims to ET claims is an excellent analogy. The quality of evidence is exactly the same.

Makaya, you are the prince of side-stepping. You are like a mini-SweatyYeti. He is the king and you could learn his superior techniques. You have more side-stepping than three fat bastards in the cookie aisle. You have more side-step than my little freaky white Kansas yeti/ewok side-stepping Bigfoot thing:

As he approached the bottom of the slope he saw what he thought was a large pile of trash & continued to walk toward it. When he was about 6 ft. from it, he noticed that it was moving, squatting down and digging around in the dirt. He stopped walking, and the thoughts went flying through his mind. He thought it was a female child in a (white)fur coat, squatting down to urinate (this was not logical to him, as it was warm outside & a child would not be alone in this area); then he thought it must be a farm dog & began to get frightened. Only a second or two passed when the thing glanced at Ben and began to stand up, groping very slowly for the barbed wire fence beside it. Ben stood frozen, realizing that this was neither a child nor a dog, as the thing began slowly shuffling sideways away from him along the fence line (on two feet) & holding on to the fence.

 

[Correa Neto]

What is Meganthropus robustus? Be specific.

A chimera, which I guess was created by Makaya. Quite possibly it`s roots are an error commited by Loren Coleman. IIRC he quite often confuses australopithecus, paranthropus and meganthropus; for some reason he never managed to fully understand which ones are the valid names, why and the possible sizes of the critters.

Paranthropus was previously known as Australopithecus robustus (it seems some people still use it); meganthropus is a highly controversial subspecies of Homo erectus, said to have been taller than H. sapiens, but most say "not necessarily" for both. Typing from memory, so I may be making some mistakes.

 

[makaya325]

Correa, meganthropus was a large species of who-knows what, we dont have enough to conclude what it was

Also, abductions are a big part of the et phenomona. However, the camp site is little for bf

 

[Cleon]

Correa, meganthropus was a large species of who-knows what, we dont have enough to conclude what it was

And yet, this doesn't prevent you from declaring that meganthropus "resembled" Bigfoot, along with the (I'm sorry, I still find it funny) Neandertals.

Which is a pretty good indication that you don't know as much about the subject as you think you do.

 

[makaya325]

A hairy neanderthal would be bf. Gigantopithecus would be bf, and no, it wasnt a quadraped, and if you claim it is, prove it

 

[kitakaze]

Correa, meganthropus was a large species of who-knows what, we dont have enough to conclude what it was

Not who knows what. Specimens under the Meganthropus classification are in consensus as being Homo erectus related. Come dance the paleoanthropology salsa with me and I'll dip you deep.

Also, abductions are a big part of the et phenomona. However, the camp site is little for bf

Bigfootery has abductions in its roots. Forgot Albert Ostman?

 

[makaya325]

Kitz, millions of people are allegdly abducted by aliens, and only once has it happened in bf land. Two bad analogies

 

[kitakaze]

A hairy neanderthal would be bf.

Neandertals were not hirsute. Human ancestors have not been hirsute for roughly 2-3 million years. That's the science. Don't forget it next time you're daydreaming Foot.

Gigantopithecus would be bf, and no, it wasnt a quadraped, and if you claim it is, prove it

We have more information point to quadrapedal locomotion than bipedal. Russell Ciochon, the one who has studied Gigantopithecus the most, will tell you that.

Remember, an appeal to authority works best when using an actual authority.

 

[kitakaze]

Kitz, millions of people are allegdly abducted by aliens, and only once has it happened in bf land. Two bad analogies

1 - You know of only one account? I thought you read reports?

2 - You accept Albert Ostman's tale. What language was it the Bigfoots were speaking do you think?

Be careful what you tell me are bad analogies. I don't support one without being fully prepared to rain down on you with it.

 

[Cleon]

A hairy neanderthal would be bf.

No. That's simply wrong. Neandertals were shorter than modern humans, not taller. A hairy human would look more like Sasquatch than a hairy Neandertal.

Hell, Penn Jillette's halfway there already.

Gigantopithecus would be bf, and no, it wasnt a quadraped, and if you claim it is, prove it

Nonono. That's not how it works. It's your claim. You support it.

Given what little is known about Gigantopithecus' morphology, anthropologists have inferred that it was probably some form of knuckle-walker (which is not, AFAIK, considered a form of quadrapedalism).

If you have any evidence that Gigantopithecus was a biped, cough it up. Hell, write a paper, you'll be famous.



Again, this merely underscores the fact that if you're going to talk about Neandertals, Gigantopithecus, and Meganthropus, it pays to actually do some minor research on the subject.

 

[Correa Neto]

Correa, meganthropus was a large species of who-knows what, we dont have enough to conclude what it was

Not exactly. Its supposed to be a subspecies of H. erectus if it existed at all.

Let me point another problem with your reasoning- if it actually was "a large species of who-knows what", then you can`t really relate it to bigfoot...

By the way, have you noticed that the core of my post relates to the fact that Meganthropus robust is nothing but a chimera, a non-existent made-up species, a figment of your imagination?

Also, abductions are a big part of the et phenomona. However, the camp site is little for bf

As far as I know, abductions are part of the UFO lore. As for the "et phenomena", I don`t think we currently have evidence for anything that could be labelled as such - we can only discuss possibilities.

A hairy neanderthal would be bf.

Nope. It seems that your knowledge about neanderthals (and paleoanthropology as whole) is quite outdated. Neanderthals were shorter but stockier than humans and were not covered by hair. Neanderthals were very like us, in terms of appearance, they could be easilly taken as a h. sapiens. A stocky ugly one, but still one of us.

You seem to be restricting yourself for some reason to very old reconstructions of neanderthals such as these:

Not to mention that neanderthals had culture and technology superior to bigfeet`s (assuming bigfeet are real and if you take for granted the anecdotal data on their behavior).

Gigantopithecus would be bf, and no, it wasnt a quadraped, and if you claim it is, prove it

Here you have Patty and a rendering of Patty compared with some gigantopithecus renderings.

Yes, you really should update your paleoanthropology knowledge.
Please expose the evidence and reasonings you used to reach the conclusion that they were bipedal and why they "would be" bigfeet.
Make sure to address Ciochon`s (the lead expert on gigantopithecus) inclination for knuckle-walker/quadruped. Please note his opinion on bigfoot also.

Please use the search function and look for the post where I discuss candidates for bigfoot.

 

[xblade]

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Every single alien abduction is due to sleep paralysis? Sounds a bit hard to believe to me. I mean, it only takes one real alien abduction to prove aliens exist.

please side stepping with the exxagerated analogies.

Please stop being intellectually dishonest.

 

[makaya325]

Correa, the far right bf image is gigantopithecus. What proof does ciochon have thats it a knuckle walker? Because its large? So was trex, but they walked on 2 feet

 

[Cleon]

Correa, the far right bf image is gigantopithecus. What proof does ciochon have thats it a knuckle walker?

"Proof?" Once again, you admit not having done even the most basic research on the subject, but you're completely confident of your opinion.

How about you tell us all the "proof" you have that Gigantopithecus was bipedal.

We're waiting....

 

[makaya325]

Well, cleon, skeptics say " giganto was to big to be a biped". But t-rex, 5 tons of it, was a biped, so why cant giganto be one? Unless we have dna of giganto, estimating its locomotion is pseudoscience

 

[tyr_13]

Because giganto was an ape and T-Rex was a dinosaur.

 

[Cleon]

Well, cleon, skeptics say " giganto was to big to be a biped".

Oh, is that what skeptics say?

There is no evidence that Gigantopithecus was a biped. None.

Scientists who actually study Gigantopithecus figure that it was likely a knuckle-walker, for two main reasons:

#1. Size. That's a lot of weight to put on two simian legs.
#2. All of Gigantopithecus' known relatives - from predecessors to cousins like the orangutan - are known to be knuckle walkers.

It's called inference. No, nobody can say for sure what Gigantopithecus' actual mode of locomotion was. What we can do is take the available data and come up with what is most likely.

Bipedalism is, thus far, known to have developed in only one branch of the hominid family tree. And even then, it's not merely one species, but a series of progressive, evolving bipedal traits that go back millions of years.

We see no such progression, or even a hint of said progression, in Gigantopithecus' family tree.

But t-rex, 5 tons of it, was a biped, so why cant giganto be one?

T-rex was a dinosaur. Gigantopithecus was an ape.

They are, pardon the expression, completely different animals. They have different skeletal structures, metabolisms, diets, and so on.

I'd call it comparing apples and oranges, but apples and oranges are closer together on the evolutionary tree than Gigantopithecus and T-Rex. This is more like comparing apples and squirrels.

Unless we have dna of giganto, estimating its locomotion is pseudoscience

This is wrong in so very, very many ways.

First, no, we don't need DNA of Gigantopithecus to determine locomotion. Just a good set of remains. We can look at the bones' size, shape, and the way they fit together to get a pretty good idea. We don't have australopithecine DNA, either, but we're pretty damn sure australopithecines were bipedal.

Second, no, it's not pseudoscience, not by a long shot. It's the way scientific investigation is done. Given the available data, a hypothesis is suggested. If future investigations show evidence of bipedalism, the hypothesis will be falsified. If those investigations and new data show more evidence that the critter was a knuckle walker, the hypothesis will become "theory."

It's called the "scientific method."

 

[makaya325]

Until we find a full body, the inferencing is blatantly ridicolous.

How would we know its ancestors if we dont have its dna to put on the tree of life?