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Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

makaya325 said:
No, kitz, please rebute her statement
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Again I need to point out that you have terrible forum etiquette. No? Please do this? Why on Earth should I do anything you ask? Does the phrase "quid pro quo" mean anything to you. Am I some dog that is supposed to jump through hoops for you. If you refuse and fail to deal with essential points and questions I put to you and keep running away from a sincere debate then what point is there doing one single thing you ask? Are we here at your beckon call? Are you trying to be an impetuous teenager?

But, special being as he is, I have never heard anyone from a Northwestern tribe suggest that Bigfoot is anything other than a physical being, living in the same physical dimensions as humans and other animals. He eats, he sleeps, he poops, he cares for his family members.
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We've discussed Gayle Highpine, makaya. It's not any sort of problem of mine if you are too lazy to get familiar with even the first few pages of this thread.

Gayle had apparently never heard of the "Chief of the Ghosts" bukwus and the devil sorcerer Oh-Mah with their mystical arrows and black magic.
 
But kitz, so what if she never heard of those, why dismiss her claim due to a few indian opinions. Even if i claimed bf was a spirit, you would GLADLY accept it
 
makaya,

You've often commented that myths usually have a basis in reality. The thing is, the "reality" that sparked the myth can be far removed from the myth itself. For example, it is believed by some that the myth of the cyclops could be derived from ancient Greeks finding the skulls of prehistoric elephants. A misidentified skull is much different than an actual race of one-eyed giants. So with that in mind, stories of "wild men" could have their roots in misidentified bears, people with hypertrichosis, etc. and not in an unknown primate.

I should also point out that there are times when a story has no basis in reality, such as the old "Godzilla wins in the Japanese version of King Kong vs. Godzilla" story.

Also, the idea that Native American artwork can be interpreted as having features similar to apes and thus be evidence of Bigfoot is quite flawed. Over in this thread, I noted the similarities between the designs of some movie monsters and descriptions of certain cryptids. Seeing as there is no evidence whatsoever suggesting that the special effects artists based their designs off of stories about those cryptids. In short, coincidences can (and often will) happen.
 
makaya325 said:
But, special being as he is, I have never heard anyone from a Northwestern tribe suggest that Bigfoot is anything other than a physical being, living in the same physical dimensions as humans and other animals. He eats, he sleeps, he poops, he cares for his family members.
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um...haven't similar things been said about the thunderbird?
 
Atomic, the thunderbird is identical to the condor!

Please, the only thing that could be responsible is some kind of hominid or unknown species
 
makaya325 said:
But kitz, so what if she never heard of those, why dismiss her claim due to a few indian opinions.
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You are so lost. You asked for me to refute her statement. Though you have no concept of how to participate in a debate here I easily did so. Her statement was that she had never heard of Bigfoot in the PNW being decribed as anything other than a normal animal. The effect of the statement is to imply that the example does not likely exist and thus support the contention that Bigfoot is a normal animal. I easily cited too examples which directly disqaulify the intent of her statement. I dismiss Gayle Highpine's opinion on this. You are welcome to cite one example of a PNW tribe with traditions and tales of Bigfoot as a normal animal.

Even if i claimed bf was a spirit, you would GLADLY accept it
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I would not gladly accept it. I would ask you why you think Bigfoot is a spirit. I would show you the research that shows your tribe doesn't have any traditional tale about Bigfoot. I would show you the traditions about sorcerer devils with mystical arrows and black magic. I would ask for some tradition to the contrary.

I've done those things and still you're getting nowhere.
 
makaya325 said:
Atomic, the thunderbird is identical to the condor!
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Really?:

Across many North America indigenous cultures, the Thunderbird carries many of the same characteristics. It is described as a large bird, capable of creating storms and thundering while it flies. Clouds are pulled together by its wingbeats, the sound of thunder made by its wings clapping, sheet lightning the light flashing from its eyes when it blinks, and individual lightning bolts made by the glowing snakes that it carries around with it. In masks, it is depicted as many-colored, with two curling horns, and, often, teeth within its beak.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology)

Identical, hey? Condors can do all that and transform into humans "by tilting back their beaks like a mask, and by removing their feathers as if it were a feather-covered blanket."

You should really try reading this thread. Lots of thundebird discussion. No need to drag it out all over again because you are lazy and/or ignorant.

Please, the only thing that could be responsible is some kind of hominid or unknown species
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The only thing? Why? What species was Mr. Baxbax?
 
Kitz, you focus so much on abilities. Every animal, even coyotes and bears, had magical abilities, which you toss aside
 
makaya325 said:
Kitz, ALL ANIMALS have supernatural abilities.
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Is anthropomorphizing qualifying as supernatural? Like talking is supernatural? Prove it. Prove all animals have supernatural abilities. You said it. Also prove all tribes had Bigfoot.Try addressing my questioning you on why you originally were saying the PNW natives see Bigfoot as a totally normal animal without any supernatural element. Decide which argument you are using and stop flailing all over the place. Answer the questions I've ask of you. No garbage little one sentence dodge posts. Use the quote feature and try a real debate. Stop running. Can't do it or won't?
 
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kitakaze said:
Decide which argument you are using and stop flailing all over the place. Answer the questions I've ask of you. No garbage little one sentence dodge posts. Use the quote feature and try a real debate. Stop running. Can't do it or won't?
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Makaya325 turns this forum and threads into a chat room.
 
Another native, katy strain, like me, both know that the thunderbird is a condor!

What do you want? Poop of bigfoot on a plate? Some zen on the side?

The internet is not going to turn up opinions/facts of tribes on bigfoot. Even advanced searches wont turn up on biased sites
 
makaya325 said:
Another native, katy strain, like me, both know that the thunderbird is a condor!
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Read the thread. When making an appeal to authority, using an actual authority is best. Kathy does not claim (anymore) to be native. She has a native relative and thus native heritage.

What do you want? Poop of bigfoot on a plate? Some zen on the side?
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Getting flustered?

The internet is not going to turn up opinions/facts of tribes on bigfoot. Even advanced searches wont turn up on biased sites
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I asked you:

"Are you saying my research is BS? Are you saying that the information that I have researched that was put on the internet by various native groups in order to preserve traditional knowledge and educate others about their cultures is BS?"

You did not answer.

Makaya, I'm going to make a personal request. It is only a request. Can you please stop with the headless chicken running about driveby posts? You zip into a thread, look at a post, sling the first few words at it that come to mind, put no real effort into sincere intellectual debate, and Speedy Gonzales rip off to another to do it again. Not only do you lower the quality of many of these discussions but you also contribute to further ignorance by pulling out garbage that has been addressed in-depth in the threads you zinging through. It's very tiring and makes the noise-to-signal ratio in these threads go off the scale. We engage in discussion and debate here. We put time and serious thought into our contentions, points, issues, and arguments. Some kid who really looks like he has serious ADD and no ridlin about the house has a tendency to just make a big mess whereever he goes.
 
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Is there like a beginner posting class that he could take???? I'm getting a headache.


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I wonder... I think makaya might benefit from discussion of his manner of posting and the effect it has on the discussions he's involved in and the GS&P in general. Where is the best place for that? Forum management? Community? There is the Bigfoot thread in Forum Management now. Makaya is the reason we're having a big frothy head of Bigfoot on the GS&P.
 
kitakaze said:
I wonder... I think makaya might benefit from discussion of his manner of posting and the effect it has on the discussions he's involved in and the GS&P in general. Where is the best place for that? Forum management? Community? There is the Bigfoot thread in Forum Management now. Makaya is the reason we're having a big frothy head of Bigfoot on the GS&P.
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If you go over to www.Unexplained-Mysteries.com you will find that Makaya325 has about 3,500 posts in the roughly the same manner. Some people say he was banned/suspended at right about the time he arrived here, but he appears to be back on that site now.

I guess if you choose to engage him, it will be in the manner we see here. I'm finding it too difficult to get a straight response.
 
UncaYimmy said:
I guess if you choose to engage him, it will be in the manner we see here. I'm finding it too difficult to get a straight response.
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Yes, I think any response to his postings merely reinforces his poor forum behavior. I recommend not rewarding him so consistently.
 
UncaYimmy said:
If you go over to www.Unexplained-Mysteries.com you will find that Makaya325 has about 3,500 posts in the roughly the same manner. Some people say he was banned/suspended at right about the time he arrived here, but he appears to be back on that site now.

I guess if you choose to engage him, it will be in the manner we see here. I'm finding it too difficult to get a straight response.
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I certainly agree with what you wrote here:

UncaYimmy said:
I think I figured out why you don't use the QUOTE function: It makes you think you can avoid addressing what others are saying. I will not answer any of your questions until you acknowledge that you were wrong about cougar carcasses being rare and that you failed to read my post adequately before replying.

If we cannot agree on the facts, then we will never agree on conclusions. If you don't show good faith, then what's the point of having a discussion?


Be careful what you call weird.
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Makaya is either afraid or incapable of real debate. The funny part is that he came here pretending not to be a Bigfoot enthusiast.
 
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