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makaya325 said:
Long, just look at it. Tell me, what is your explanation?
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Sure, its a picture of 3 "somethings" purported to be hairs with no accompanying analysis by anyone qualified to conduct it, no chain of custody, no validation by a reputable source, no comparison/contrast to other known species or anything else. ( they could be photoshopped or carpet fibers for all we know)

Wheres that full report a PhD such as Fahrenbach SHOULD have published with his findings and conclusions for review?

Got report? Got milk?
 
Long, thats possible, or they could be hair from an animal not yet known.

Would csicop be a reputable source? All i posted was a picture
 
makaya325 said:
Long, thats possible, or they could be hair from an animal not yet known.

Would csicop be a reputable source? All i posted was a picture
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The only reputable source would be a formal review by an individual/organization who is certified,qualified and capable to review the evidence in proper context.

Got one?
 
Long, im supposed to be getting an alleged "bf" sample in the mail by southernyahoo on bff. I told him i will look at it for him, under 1600x magnification, compare it to known animal hairs of pnw mammals, and if all goes well, should i send it to a lab for DNA testing?
 
makaya325 said:
Long, im supposed to be getting an alleged "bf" sample in the mail by southernyahoo on bff. I told him i will look at it for him, under 1600x magnification, compare it to known animal hairs of pnw mammals, and if all goes well, should i send it to a lab for DNA testing?
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Yes and have it also tested for chemicals,dye,DNA, show ALL samples it was compared to and what it was NOT compared to. Show what you compared and HOW with 100% transparency.

List your and your labs qualifications to analyze hair.

Have your tests reviewed by an independent source

If you dont do all of that- I wouldnt even start because nothing you find will be considered valid by any legitimate body.
 
makaya325 said:
Example?
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As you like to say, go look it up. Do your homework.

You can't be angry at scientist and individuals for being skeptical. The BF community says, 'we have samples that stand up to standard scientific scrutiny.' However, when those standards are actually applied to them, like it is to every valid scientific undertaking, they balk. The things Long is talking about are very standard, accepted scientific practices, yet the BF community doesn't want to follow them. Sure, some are amateurs and can't be expected to know that, but your PhD of zoology better damned well. He didn't and he won't.
 
makaya325 said:
Wolf-Henrich (Henner) Fahrenbach, PH.D., was born in Berlin, Germany, in 1932. He earned a Ph.D. in zoology at the University of Washington in 1961, followed by a postdoctoral fellowship in the Department of Anatomy at the Harvard Medical School in Boston, MA, from 1961 to 1963. He served as the head of the Laboratory of Electron Microscopy at the Oregon Regional Primate Center in Beaverton, OR, from 1967 to 1997, and as a Clinical Affiliate Professor in the Department of Integrative Biosciences at the Oregon Health & Sciences University’s School of Dentistry in Portland, OR, from 1987 to 2007. Professional memberships include(d) the American Association of Anatomists, American Society for Cell Biology, American Association for the Advancement of Science, Sigma Xi, and others. He served on the Editorial Boards of the International Journal of Insect Morphology and Embryology (1978-1982) and Zeitschrift für vergleichende Physiologie (1977-1982).
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I am seriously confused by this rendition of Henner's bio

....13 years ago, Henner ground mailed me his thesis which was written on horseshoe crabs. His Ph.d., is in Marine Biology. He is not a zoologist....unless you count "self-made" as a legitimate post grad degree.

Secondly, he did not serve on the staff in any manner
at Oregon Regional Primate Center in Beaverton. (they will tell you that!) ...They rented him a small room where he kept his microscope. books, files, boxed papers and hair samples etc..; all things he preferred not to keep at home. It is my understanding that Brigette had no appreciation for any thing "bigfoot," ...another reason why he worked in his little lab; he did receive ground mail regarding same at the primate center as well, but he was no primatologist and was not affiliated with the primate center.

In all the years I've known him, he never mentioned he was a Harvard grad... I think he said his doctorate was obtained in Berlin. His paper on horseshoe crabs carries the name, "W. Henner Fahrenbach." He is retired, living in Arizona, he will be 77 in April....

If his bio was listed on Squatchopedia, or whatever it's called, there is much hearsay/many errors in those uploads, which is one of the reasons why I had Brian pull mine; those were uploaded without any kind of personal interview.....fwiw.
 
OUCH

So, the good doctor is a fish expert? Not a primatologist or an expert in hairs or zoology? A small homemade lab?

Mak, what about his "expertise" now?

That does explain some of his conclusions now- he just doesnt know what he is doing and it totally unqualified to make an official claim.
 
Fahrenbach, W. H. 1973. Spermiogenesis in the horseshoe crab,
Limulus polyphemus. Journal of Morphology, 140, 31–52.
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THE FINE STRUCTURE OF FAST AND SLOW CRUSTACEAN MUSCLES
Wolf H. Fahrenbach
From the Department of Electron Microscopy, the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center, Beaverton, Oregon 97006
Received February 17, 1967; Revised May 19, 1967; Accepted May 19, 1967.
Journal of Cell Biology
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Fahrenbach, W. H. (1975). The visual system of the horseshoe crab Limulus polyphemus. Int. Rev. Cytol. 41: 285-349.
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Fahrenbach, WH. The morphology of the horseshoe crab (Limulus polyphemus) visual system. VII. Innervation of photoreceptor neurons by neurosecretory efferents. Cell Tissue Res. 1981;216(3):655–659.
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Zhang, H.-j., Jinks, R.N., Wishart, A.C., Battelle, B.-a., Chamberlain, S.C., Fahrenbach, W.H. and Kass, L. 1994. An enzymatically enhanced recording technique for Limulus ventral photoreceptors: Physiology, biochemistry, and morphology. Visual Neuroscience. 11: 41-52.
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There are other works on horseshoe crabs by Fahrenbach.

What is interesting is that if you Google "Henner Fahrenbach PhD" or "Dr Henner Fahrenbach" - you will find tons of things related to Bigfoot using his name with "PhD" or "Dr". But you will only find two listings that are outside of Bigfootery. In all the other listings of Henner that are outside of Bigfootery, all but two DO NOT refer to him as PhD or Dr....

Dr. Montagna's first step was to call long-time friend Wi Young at the University of Kansas in Lawrence. "When I jocularly asked whether he was interested in joining me, he said he was. I interviewed Will and his two postdoctoral fellows, Charles Phoenix and Robert Goy, at six o'clock one morning at O'Hare Airport. The poor wretches had driven all night from Lawrence." Shortly after that, "I picked up a young cardiovascular researcher from Argentina (Dr. Malinow), a postdoctoral pathologist from Yale (Wllbur McNulty, M.D.), and an electron microscopist from Harvard (Henner Fahrenbach, Ph.D.) That was the beginning."
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Bio for William Montagna M.D. Ph.D.


Dr. W. Henner Fahrenbach
Oregon Regional Primate Research Center
Beaverton, Oregon 97006 USA
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All About Sea Spiders
 
Its settled then. Those alleged BF hairs are fish hair.

Another fine example of ( you guessed it) BIGFOOT Science
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
The biggest one is them NOT following accepted research protocols and never producing the DATA they make their report from.
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That's pretty much what I was thinking. If you make the claim, that there is real evidence that will stand up to scientific standards, and you should know because you are a scientist, yet refuse to use those scientific standards, don't release the data for peer review, that's balking.

They make a claim, people say, "ok, do it," and they don't. That's balking.
 
If you Google "Henner Fahrenbach Harvard", you get almost nothing. Above he is mentioned with Harvard in Montagna's bio - and now this...


Dr. W. Henner Fahrenbach
W. Henner Fahrenbach is a retired zoologist who earned his PhD. in zoology from the University of Washington in 1961 followed by a postdoctoral fellowship in the Department of Anatomy at the Harvard Medical School in Boston, MA, from 1961 to 1963. He worked for thirty years as Chairman of the Laboratory of Electron Microscopy at the Oregon Regional Primate Center in Beaverton, Oregon. He has published numerous papers in a variety of journals in the fields of histology and neurobiology, in addition to several analyses of sasquatch biology.
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North America Bigfoot Search
 
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