Vision From Feeling

[Uncayimmy]

But I do think she should get a proper medical check-up and tell her clinician all she has told us.

I agree. You might want to consider that seriously, Anita. If nothing else, it can't hurt.

In our Facebook chat last night Anita asked me if I "seriously" thought she might be having delusions. I was taken aback. I told her I was serious, of course.

 

[desertgal]

In our Facebook chat last night Anita asked me if I "seriously" thought she might be having delusions. I was taken aback. I told her I was serious, of course.

I'd have been taken aback, too. We've only mentioned it here 923 times. Are we not serious until we hit 924?

Her disingenuous bit is getting old.

 

[desertgal]

You'd have thought he would have actually been interested in being involved. You would have thought that, if he believed you, he would be badgering you day and night to test this further.
It is totally incomprehensible that an expert in Physics could hear such a story and believe it and then completely ignore it.
So he either didn't believe you.
Or it never happened. (And what happened to the other two professors?)

I notice we are never told what his actual response was. Other than he agreed it was Vibrational Algebra. (That brand new field of physics. That he also apparently also isn't interested in.)

Post #284: "Alright I will share this with you. The first professor I shared this with thought it was very "unusual" although he was objective and did not assume one way or the other and I was happy to have been able to share this with someone, especially someone such as a science professor. The second professor I shared this with expressed tremendous interest and curiosity in knowing more, and let me know that he would be interested in finding out what the results of the tests are. With this professor I discussed my theories as to what the nature of this ability could be. The third professor was very objective and offered a suggestion of how this might be possible, suggesting that I might be picking up on thermal information. He specializes in optical instruments and has great interest in how different species take in information to translate this into understanding of the world. I do not want to involve any of the faculty in my private and somewhat unconventional study. Do they wish to have involvement they will have to take that step not me."

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

sleepy lioness:
Post #1188, thank you for your concern for my well-being, and I understand that the mere nature of the paranormal claim that is under investigation in my case is enough to raise concern. The upcoming study is fairly easy to set up and it will answer some of the questions regarding my experiences, and I am sure I will be able to take in the conclusions of the study, what ever it may reveal.

I suspect that some of the concerns expressed by Forum members arises from the fact that they can not take part in the past experiences I've had like I can, and some of the skeptics' concerns and conclusions are based on that lack, whereas I am in a position to base my thoughts on the experiences I've had, so we find ourselves in different positions in this claim. That is why I feel that the study is a necessary next step, because its experiences and results will be made equally available for both myself and others, by being verified by the attending skeptics. That will allow us all to be on the same page, for all of us to base our concerns and conclusions on the same material, and it is then I will be better able to take in concerns expressed by Forum members.

Professor Yaffle:

So, based on what you have said, when you came to America, I would have expected you to have a period where you noticed peanut oil in peoples bodies - with the perception jumping out at you with no effort. Which would lead most people to think to themselves "Ah, they must use peanut oil for cooking here much more than at home". Yet you only seem to have discovered that peanut oil is not unusual on tis very thread. Hence my confusion. Can you explain what I am missing?

What oil a person consumes is among the health information that I perceive from effort, and not on its own. So by walking among American people I have not been forming a new understanding of what oil consumption is typical here locally. My understanding of what oil consumption was typical back in Sweden was based on what I knew people were eating, and again not based on perceiving this with the medical perceptions. I hope that answers the question, if not - ask again!

Belz:

No, that's not what I was talking about. Those are not double-blind, or even single-blind, tests. You cannot eliminate the possibility of bias, lie or delusion with those standards. That's why I asked how COULD you tell the difference. You can't because you consistently stick to standards that shelter your interpretation from reality.

Everyday experience, which is all that I have at this point, has not allowed for the perceptions to take place under proper test conditions. And that is why I look forward to the study (which will try out some test conditions but is not a test) and tests.

desertgal:

You are taking my comment out of context. YOU said that it was amusing to watch the rest of us annihilate each other. It's typical of psychic claimants to say, when their claims begin to fall apart, that it is the fault of us big bad skeptics. We are just out to "annihilate" claimants. That's not actually true, and it is typical troll speak. They don't want to let go of their delusions - much easier to blame the big bad skeptics. And we haven't been annihilating each other in this thread.

I was hoping that it would have been obvious that I was trying to be funny when I posted that. Of course you guys are not "annihilating" each other. That was just my fun way of saying that I am pleased you are all answering each others' questions and taking care of each other in my absence. My claim is not beginning to fall apart. And if my claim does fall apart later on it is no one's "fault" since it would only be able to fall apart if there is no paranormal ability, and if so then falling apart is the real objective of the investigation and I would appreaciate your help with acchieving that. And you're not bad skeptics, you're very good ones, you guys take everything I say and dissect it into little pieces, and we need those skills once we reach protocol formation and results.

Irregardless, that isn't the way SD works. The fact that you would turn my mental disorder around to use against me incorrectly says a great deal about you.

On the contrary I tried to make it clear that I am not offending a person based on what problems or issues they might have, hence I apologized for bringing up the point that I made. I was just saying that a person diagnosed with schizotypal disorder is not reliable to make an online diagnosis of another person to have various mental conditions. To use against you incorrectly? So, you are entitled to diagnose other persons? And on the contrary, as soon as you have as much as suspected or falsely assumed that I would be suffering from a mental disorder you have done your best to use that "against me" and to throw it at me, and perhaps that says a great deal about you?

It wasn't easy, to begin with, to admit to a group of strangers that something "went broken" in my mind years ago, but I did it in the interest of helping you. Watching you use it against me again, as the source of "projections", isn't something I relish, so I think I'll skip that.

Although you are a tough skeptic, which often makes a good skeptic, I often feel that you approach things in a manner that is unnecessarily hostile and negative. I often feel that your comments and suggestions to me are formulated as insults rather than as constructive criticism. Other Forum members have presented their concerns regarding my mental health but done so in a polite and civilized manner and I have taken in their advice, I acknowledged their point of view and even thanked them for it. There are good ways of saying bad things.

Even though I feel that the way in which you express most of your comments is often at times uncomfortable and that that takes away from the statements you want to come across I continue to listen to you very carefully. I have absolutely no disrespect against you and would never hold a personal issue against you. I value having you here on this thread and I know that you will be excellent in analyzing protocols and results and you'll probably be one of the best contributors, and I look forward to when I can actually present some material. You're all ready for it.

There's nothing "wrong" about being delusional

Of course not. I'm just considering that another possibility might be that I'd be cold reading. I objectively acknowledge the possibility that my perceptions could be delusions, yet I remain open to other possibilities. I don't think my perceptions are consistent with delusions, especially since they so far lead to accurate information. Unintentional cold reading perhaps?

Thank you for expressing concern about my well-being, and I'm glad you're still here because I need the toughest skeptics to look into protocol design and results later on. You guys are excellent, and at times difficult, but I'm still here.

Drs Res:

Taking this into consideration, do you get headaches and nausea when you have to use a forced effort to read a live person? You know, someone where nothing just pops out at you?

No I've never experienced any discomfort from making the effort to read live people. My main theory as to why, although I wasn't supposed to make theories here, is that human tissue is a more "comfortable" and more familiar material for perception to delve into, than for instance copper pennies or cereal.

Pup:

Coincidentally enough, that description would have been close enough for a casual "hit" for both me and my wife. She has an occasional pain or cramping sensation that's been diagnosed as a minor hernia, just below the sternum but slightly to one side. I have a mild ulcer which occasionally acts up by causing minor pain or cramping, also a bit below the sternum and to the right just under the bottom rib. Both, apparently, are fairly common.

And you are absolutely right. To claim a perception of discomfort or pain in a certain part of the body might not be a specific enough ailment in all cases to be useful in a test. Point remains that the person in this experience did not tell me I was wrong, so there was nothing to falsify the claim at that point and I've continued with the investigation toward a study that will be better able to establish actual accuracy.

calcium carbonate (an antacid)
phenylephrine hcl (a decongestant)
cetirizine hydrochloride (a 24 hour allergy medicine)
ibuprofen
aspirin

Oh Pup! Before you mail anything! Is it possible for you to include in the envelope one each uncrushed sample, without food coloring, so that I can attempt to "tune in" to the pure and unaltered specimen, to get the strongest possible perception of the pure and unaltered material for matching purposes? Please?

You've said that this is something you experience, so I'm curious to see it work.

Thank you. Let's find out.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Ashles:
What I mean by vibrational algebra is superposition of my perceived vibrational aspects from different sources, in my mind. In ways that are like addition or like subtraction, and yield my perception of a new resulting vibrational aspect. If I perceive a vibrational aspect of a medicine, and a vibrational aspect of a human, and I add these two vibrational aspects together in my mind, I am doing what I call vibrational algebra. That is what I meant by it, and I did provide examples, and I regret that you are falsely accusing me of not having provided an example and trying to force a different answer out of me. The question was answered long ago.

I may have also mentioned that I have an interest in applying my concepts of vibrational aspects to conventional mathematics, but that is something I have not done yet. My interest in applying my ideas that are based on the perceptions to science are not part of my paranormal claim and I will not discuss them here or with you Ashles. Further inquiry into it will not be considered.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Ashles:
What I mean by vibrational algebra is superposition of my perceived vibrational aspects from different sources, in my mind. In ways that are like addition or like subtraction, and yield my perception of a new resulting vibrational aspect. If I perceive a vibrational aspect of a medicine, and a vibrational aspect of a human, and I add these two vibrational aspects together in my mind, I am doing what I call vibrational algebra. That is what I meant by it, and I did provide examples, and I regret that you are falsely accusing me of not having provided an example and trying to force a different answer out of me. The question was answered long ago.

Right. Just like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Reese saw the chocolate. Then he saw the peanut butter. He performed culinary algebra in his head and created one of most popular candies around.

Anita, your explanation is, in a word, silly.

I may have also mentioned that I have an interest in applying my concepts of vibrational aspects to conventional mathematics, but that is something I have not done yet. My interest in applying my ideas that are based on the perceptions to science are not part of my paranormal claim and I will not discuss them here or with you Ashles. Further inquiry into it will not be considered.

Conventional mathematics? You mean mathematics, right? Because what you're doing in your head is just your imagination.

If you're going to bring up subjects, then be prepared to discuss them. It's really quite obnoxious to bring it up, then refuse to discuss it.

 

[Akhenaten]

thank you for your concern for my well-being, and I understand that the mere nature of the paranormal claim that is under investigation in my case is enough to raise concern.

No. Paranormal claims raise curiosity, disbelief and the like. It's your mental state that is raising concerns.

The upcoming study is fairly easy to set up and it will answer some of the questions regarding my experiences, and I am sure I will be able to take in the conclusions of the study, what ever it may reveal.

There aren't any questions regarding your experiences. They were dismissed as the anecdotes they are as soon as they were presented.

I'm also sure you'll be able to take in the results of your study, since you're incapable of even seeing any result which casts doubt on your ability, much less absorbing its import.

I suspect that some of the concerns expressed by Forum members arises from the fact that they can not take part in the past experiences I've had like I can, and some of the skeptics' concerns and conclusions are based on that lack, whereas I am in a position to base my thoughts on the experiences I've had, so we find ourselves in different positions in this claim.

Yes. You're totally subjective in everything you do. It's led to you fabricate your own reality, which of course we don't share. This is unlikely to change.

That is why I feel that the study is a necessary next step, because its experiences and results will be made equally available for both myself and others, by being verified by the attending skeptics. That will allow us all to be on the same page, for all of us to base our concerns and conclusions on the same material, and it is then I will be better able to take in concerns expressed by Forum members.

The main reason we've never been on the same page is your obsession with making empty, wordy replies to everything that's posted, in great slabs of waffle covering material that was written days ago. The occasional inclusion of a new, more outlandish claim doesn't help the flow either.

Your study will alter nothing. Have you considered a test? Oh, wait . . .

What oil a person consumes is among the health information that I perceive from effort, and not on its own. So by walking among American people I have not been forming a new understanding of what oil consumption is typical here locally. My understanding of what oil consumption was typical back in Sweden was based on what I knew people were eating, and again not based on perceiving this with the medical perceptions. I hope that answers the question, if not - ask again!

I'm sick of hearing about peanut oil. Tell us about the first time you perceived someone in the US with malaria. Were you able to relate it to your experiences with malaria in your Swedish village?

Everyday experience, which is all that I have at this point, has not allowed for the perceptions to take place under proper test conditions.

Except for the times you've tested your perceptions here and failed.

And that is why I look forward to the study (which will try out some test conditions but is not a test) and tests.

You quoted that from a Monty Python sketch, didn't you?

I was hoping that it would have been obvious that I was trying to be funny when I posted that. Of course you guys are not "annihilating" each other. That was just my fun way of saying that I am pleased you are all answering each others' questions and taking care of each other in my absence.

Just who do you think you are exactly? Queen of the JREF?

Also, don't try too hard with the humour. The stuff you say normally is pretty risable, and there's no point in guilding the lily, is there?

My claim is not beginning to fall apart.

No. It finished doing that some time ago.

And if my claim does fall apart later on it is no one's "fault" since it would only be able to fall apart if there is no paranormal ability, and if so then falling apart is the real objective of the investigation and I would appreaciate your help with acchieving that.

My goodness. This is the sanest thing you've said for ages, however, you're talking about a fait accompli.

Your claim(s) are dust. Your credibilty is zero. You have been told this repeatedly and advised to do something in the real world about finding out what's causing your delusions. That's the only investigation that most people here would be happy to help you to achieve.

And you're not bad skeptics, you're very good ones, you guys take everything I say and dissect it into little pieces, and we need those skills once we reach protocol formation and results.

On what basis do you claim to be a competent judge of the relative merits of various skeptiks? And when you say "we need those skills", you're absolutely correct. We all need critical thinking skills, and hopefully you'll have some of your own one day. It's very unlikely that any of the skeptikal skills available here will be used to develop any protocols relating to your current claim(s).

<snipped confusing rant @ desertgirl for being a meanie>


There are good ways of saying bad things.

"All of those people not suffering delusions, please take one step forward."

"Where are you going, Private VfF?"

Even though I feel that the way in which you express most of your comments is often at times uncomfortable and that that takes away from the statements you want to come across I continue to listen to you very carefully. I have absolutely no disrespect against you and would never hold a personal issue against you. I value having you here on this thread and I know that you will be excellent in analyzing protocols and results and you'll probably be one of the best contributors, and I look forward to when I can actually present some material. You're all ready for it.

I've never seen anyone do obsequious arrogance before. It's an amazing ability that might be worth studying (not testing).

Of course not. I'm just considering that another possibility might be that I'd be cold reading. I objectively acknowledge the possibility that my perceptions could be delusions, yet I remain open to other possibilities. I don't think my perceptions are consistent with delusions, especially since they so far lead to accurate information. Unintentional cold reading perhaps?and fully intend to ensure that this possibility is eliminated before I attempt anything else.

May I respectfully submit the above revision for your approval, Your Majesty?

Thank you for expressing concern about my well-being, and I'm glad you're still here because I need the toughest skeptics to look into protocol design and results later on. You guys are excellent, and at times difficult, but I'm still here.

Your just being arrogant now. And the wishful thinking is getting worse too.

No I've never experienced any discomfort from making the effort to read live people. My main theory as to why, although I wasn't supposed to make theories here, is that human tissue is a more "comfortable" and more familiar material for perception to delve into, than for instance copper pennies or cereal.

Another main theory? This does not bode well. Neither does the fact that's it's as bad as all your other theories. Are you sure you don't have a theory about Brontosauruses?

And you are absolutely right. To claim a perception of discomfort or pain in a certain part of the body might not be a specific enough ailment in all cases to be useful in a test. Point remains that the person in this experience did not tell me I was wrong, so there was nothing to falsify the claim at that point and I've continued with the investigation toward a study that will be better able to establish actual accuracy.

Stop it. Just stop it. It was rubbish the first time you said this, and the dozens of repetitions haven't changed the situation.

Oh Pup! Before you mail anything! Is it possible for you to include in the envelope one each uncrushed sample, without food coloring, so that I can attempt to "tune in" to the pure and unaltered specimen, to get the strongest possible perception of the pure and unaltered material for matching purposes? Please?

There's always just one more thing, isn't there?

Thank you. Let's find out.

We already know. Over to you, Blue Leader.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Anita, do there seem to be any "rules" surrounding what information you percieve automatically and what information you have to use effort for? Or is it completely random? From earlier discussion in the thread, you were talking about not seeing nitrogen in the air all the time because it is normal and usual there, but that nitrogen in a place where you wouldn't expect it would stand out to you (if I am remembering it wrongly, just point that out, as I have no idea where in the thread it was to check my memory). From this I thought you were saying that this was a general rule - that things that are out of place or unusual are the things that "jump out at you", so to speak, and everything else take conscious effort. Did you mean your nitrogen example to say something about your ability in general, or is it different in every type of chemical or illness etc (as to whether you would perceive it without effort)? It would help me if I knew more of a general guide in this area if you have one.

 

[Akhenaten]

What I mean by vibrational algebra is superposition of my perceived vibrational aspects from different sources, in my mind. In ways that are like addition or like subtraction, and yield my perception of a new resulting vibrational aspect. If I perceive a vibrational aspect of a medicine, and a vibrational aspect of a human, and I add these two vibrational aspects together in my mind, I am doing what I call vibrational algebra. That is what I meant by it, and I did provide examples, and I regret that you are falsely accusing me of not having provided an example and trying to force a different answer out of me. The question was answered long ago.

The following are examples of algebraic equations:


x = 7

7 = x

t + 3 = 8

3 × n +12 = 100

w + 4 = 12 - w

y - 1 - 2 - 9.3 = 34

3 × (d + 4) - 11 = 321 - 23


Please provide an example of vibrational algebra in a similar format.

I may have also mentioned that I have an interest in applying my concepts of vibrational aspects to conventional mathematics, but that is something I have not done yet. My interest in applying my ideas that are based on the perceptions to science are not part of my paranormal claim and I will not discuss them here or with you Ashles. Further inquiry into it will not be considered.

Oh, OK, don't then.

 

[Pup]

Oh Pup! Before you mail anything! Is it possible for you to include in the envelope one each uncrushed sample, without food coloring, so that I can attempt to "tune in" to the pure and unaltered specimen, to get the strongest possible perception of the pure and unaltered material for matching purposes? Please?

Unfortunately, I don't have access to any pure samples of the medicines. Not sure where one would find them, outside of a pharmaceutical manufacturer's lab.

But I'm guessing you mean the original pills with all their fillers and colorings, and not the actual pure medicines. The first thing that occurs to me is that wanting to be aware of the size, odor and perhaps texture or appearance of the original pills might help you sense which is which through normal means.

Just looking at some of the boxes or bottles, I see ingredients and alterations to the pure medicines, like carnauba wax, FD&C red No. 40, FD&C Blue #1, talc, etc. Coincidentally, "red No. 40" is also the kind of red food coloring I added. But apparently those other impurities don't detract from the effect the medicine has on the body, and this is about sensing the effect on the human body, right, and not about distinguishing the appearance of the commercial pills? Crushing might make the 24-hour medicine work faster for a shorter period, but otherwise, I doubt if a little more red No. 40 and some FD&C green would make any substantial difference. Any chemists or pharmacists or doctors want to weigh in with an opinion?

In their commercial form, these are common medicines, all available in any drugstore, so if you're not aware of them already from everyday life, it would be simple to look at someone's bottle of aspirin or Zyrtec or Rolaids, or take a "look" at them in a drugstore through the cardboard boxes, like the cardboard-enclosed cereal you saw. True, you might not be seeing the same brand (my samples are all store generics so might not be the same size or color or flavor as others), but it's not about identifying brands, it's about identifying their effects on the human, body, right?

 

[desertgal]

I suspect that some of the concerns expressed by Forum members arises from the fact that they can not take part in the past experiences I've had like I can...

No, our concern arises from the fact that your "experiences" are delusional and your mental state is questionable. I think we've made that pretty clear.

That was just my fun way of saying that I am pleased you are all answering each others' questions and taking care of each other in my absence.

Oh, please. Get over yourself.

desertgal:
My claim is not beginning to fall apart.

No, it already did that some time ago.

I was just saying that a person diagnosed with schizotypal disorder is not reliable to make an online diagnosis of another person to have various mental conditions.

a) I did not diagnose you; and b) you are not qualified to make any assessment about whether I am "reliable" or not. I was diagnosed with the disorder before you were born, and I have successfully battled it longer than you have been alive. I've been where you are now. I know, intimately, how real delusions can be...how intoxicating, how much fun, how special they can make one feel. On the other hand, you have never been where I am. I had the sense to realize they were delusions, seek help for them, and fight to overcome them. So, before you say that anyone with a mental condition isn't reliable, I suggest you take yourself down to a psychiatrist's office and take a good hard honest look at yourself first.

To use against you incorrectly?

Yes. Schizotypal dsorder does not work in the way that you suggested.

So, you are entitled to diagnose other persons?

No. I did not diagnose you. The one thing that I did do was to mistakenly post a snippet of diagnostic criteria from the DSM-IV. A mistake I admitted to, and apologized for.

And on the contrary, as soon as you have as much as suspected or falsely assumed that I would be suffering from a mental disorder you have done your best to use that "against me" and to throw it at me, and perhaps that says a great deal about you?

No, I mistakenly posted a snippet of diagnostic criteria from the DSM-IV, something I have admitted to, and apologized for. Otherwise, I have simply observed that you are delusional-a symptom, not a disorder. I don't know that you suffer from a mental disorder - and neither do you. Self diagnosis is inaccurate.

You are nitpicking over words here, and ignoring the larger issue.

Yes, I will keep reminding you that I have observed you to be delusional. I will continue to advise you to see a mental health professional. You can choose to continue to ignore it. But, what can be said about me is that I speak plain English and I am not here to coddle you, pat you on the head, and remark on how "brilliant" you are. If advising someone that they need professional help is a bad thing, then I'll gladly be the bad guy. Hopefully, at some point, it will sink in.

Although you are a tough skeptic, which often makes a good skeptic, I often feel that you approach things in a manner that is unnecessarily hostile and negative. I often feel that your comments and suggestions to me are formulated as insults rather than as constructive criticism.

No, again, I speak plain English. I don't beat around the bush, and I have very little patience with people who refuse to help themselves. You won't help yourself, Anita. You keep rambling on about tests and studies and perceptions and experiences, and, yet, you are absolutely oblivious to the overall picture that your thousands of words has given to the skeptics here, which we see quite clearly. YOU NEED HELP. If your words are true, then you need help, because they indicate you are delusional. If your words are not true, and all of this is just another psychic claimant looking for attention, then you clearly have some other problems, and you need help. Instead of sitting here posting walls o'text and arguing over every excruciating detail, try getting up from the computer and hiking yourself down to a doctor.

Other Forum members have presented their concerns regarding my mental health but done so in a polite and civilized manner

I'm not your mother, and I'm not here to baby you. You may not like blunt English, but I certainly won't leave you in any doubt about what I think.

and I have taken in their advice, I acknowledged their point of view and even thanked them for it.

Stop taking in their advice, and just take their advice. See a mental health professional.

There are good ways of saying bad things.

Good, bad, or indifferent - none of it matters if you don't listen.

I objectively acknowledge the possibility that my perceptions could be delusions, yet I remain open to other possibilities. I don't think my perceptions are consistent with delusions, especially since they so far lead to accurate information. Unintentional cold reading perhaps?

As I said before, self-analysis of a mental condition/symptom is always inaccurate. You are not in the position to objectively assess whether your perceptions are delusions, by the simple fact that you can only view them subjectively. See a mental health professional, and present him with ALL the claims that you have made. If nothing else, it will eliminate the question, and you can move on with your studies/tests. Don't say that you are approaching any of this scientifically if you are not willing to eliminate that variable. There must be a clinic at your university. It would be an easy thing to accomplish.

And stop saying that so far, you have had accurate information from these perceptions. Several people here have pointed out repeatedly that that is not true.

 

[Sideroxylon]

You know, there is nothing to this illness perception caper. I was talking to a colleague today about the goings on in this thread (clearly not much going on in my life at the moment) and I said I might have a go on him. Putting on my best John Edwards, I looked him in the eye and said, “I’m getting something in the stomach area.” What do you know? He’d just had a bad case of gastro this last week!

 

[Jonquill]

“I’m getting something in the stomach area.”

Pffft, just guessing. Locate something amiss in the sternum area of the small intestine if you want to impress this skeptic!

 

[Sideroxylon]

“I’m getting something in the stomach area.”

Pffft, just guessing. Locate something amiss in the sternum area of the small intestine if you want to impress this skeptic!

Yeah I guess you're right. I really need to bone up on some of this medical lingo from books. The one you are using sounds like the ticket. Reckon I could borrow it?

 

[Jonquill]

Sorry, but I get a headache when I lend my book out.

 

[desertgal]

Ashles:
That is what I meant by it, and I did provide examples, and I regret that you are falsely accusing me of not having provided an example and trying to force a different answer out of me. The question was answered long ago.

You didn't provide an example, and you didn't answer the question "long ago". Would you please pull your extraterrestrial mind back from your distant star and down to Earth before you falsely accuse someone of falsely accusing you again?

I may have also mentioned that I have an interest in applying my concepts of vibrational aspects to conventional mathematics, but that is something I have not done yet. My interest in applying my ideas that are based on the perceptions to science are not part of my paranormal claim and I will not discuss them here or with you Ashles. Further inquiry into it will not be considered.

Oop...guess not.

 

[desertgal]

No you have absolutely not done so.
I specifically asked for an example (even using dummy data) and you have refused to provide it.
You have provided no reason to assume 'Vibrational Algebra' exists as anything but a made up phrase.

This is where we are at
VFF: I have an amazing ability. I will use it to cure diseases in the future.
Skeptics: How?
VFF: Using the knowledge I see with my ability, a calculation process I have created called 'Vibrational Algebra' and Optical technology
Skeptic: Wow. But how will you do the calculations when you haven't yet done statistics
VFF: I'm going to be studying calculus
Skeptics: Uh okay. So what is Vibrational Algebra
VFF: I haven't learned the proper scientific terminology to describe it
Skeptics: Well use non scientific terminology
VFF: It's a secret. And I already gave you an example of it.
Skeptics: No you haven't
VFF: Well I wont because it's a secret
Skeptics: Well what about the devices you'll be using?
VFF: There are optical decices that do this kind of thing. You don't know anything about optics
Skeptics: Can you give examples?
VFF: I haven't built them yet. Duh!
Skeptics: But you just said-
VFF: And I'm not telling you about the current ones. They're a secret too.
Skeptics: So, to recap, you are planning to develop secret technology using secret calculations based around scientific and mathematical areas you haven't even studied yet to create imaginary future devices modified from secret current ones to solve health issues identified using a paranormal ability that hasn't ever been detailed by anyone other than yourself?
VFF: No it's completely different from that.
Skeptics: Well that's that then.

Mahvelous!

 

[desertgal]

Sorry, but I get a headache when I lend my book out.

Too much peanut oil.

 

[tsig]

Too much peanut oil.

Too much of this thread!

 

[TheSkepticCanuck]

This has been an exceptional thread here on the JREF forums! I have had a lot of entertainment, and learned a great deal about the application of critical thinking to outlandish claims. This thread should be saved for prosperity as an educational tool on how to dissect a psychic / supernatural / paranormal claim. The ebb and flow of the critical analysis has been inspiring! Thank you one and all!