Israel begins ground operations

lionking said:
Is this a serious point? The world must be in terror of the Eritrean and Transnistrian armies then.
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Not to mention Sealand's armed forces, which, according to my understanding, normally constitute 100% of the resident population (since only the "Sealand Guard" normally live there).
 
gumboot said:
Not to mention Sealand's armed forces, which, according to my understanding, normally constitute 100% of the resident population (since only the "Sealand Guard" normally live there).
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Thanks gumboot. Any country attacking Sealand would be absolutely crapping itself up against the largest per capita army in the world.
 
lionking said:
Is this a serious point? The world must be in terror of the Eritrean and Transnistrian armies then.
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No, I was being sardonic. I thought the context would have made that obvious. Guess not.

Don't really see how this little tangent matters much, anyway. Israel's military is among the most advanced in the world.
 
Slayhamlet said:
No, I was being sardonic. I thought the context would have made that obvious. Guess not.

Don't really see how this little tangent matters much, anyway. Israel's military is among the most advanced in the world.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Slayhamlet said:
No, I was being sardonic. I thought the context would have made that obvious. Guess not.

Don't really see how this little tangent matters much, anyway. Israel's military is among the most advanced in the world.
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I've been told before by people that know, that the only reason the IDF look any good is because their opposition is so bad. Against any other modern western army they would be annihilated.

I have seen some videos of their military operations that support this position, however this observation was made quite a few years ago, and may now be wrong.
 
gumboot said:
I've been told before by people that know, that the only reason the IDF look any good is because their opposition is so bad. Against any other modern western army they would be annihilated.

I have seen some videos of their military operations that support this position, however this observation was made quite a few years ago, and may now be wrong.
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They are the best in the Middle East but that isn't saying a lot. There appears to have been a bit of myth making when it comes to the Israeli military which has served it well over the years. That suffered a bit in 2006 in Lebanon and if it doesn't gain a clear victory in Gaza it will suffer even more so. That is extremely dangerous for Israel since the surrounding nations and especially Iran are watching very closely.
 
I would imagine the armies and terrorist groups that have been beaten by the IDF would have an incentive to over emphasise the IDF's qualities.
 
The IDF does have a lot of experience, which is invaluable, especially in urban operations.
 
gumboot said:
Given that Palestinians are not in the hands of Israel, as Israel was not occupying Gaza, but are in fact in the hands of Palestine, of whom they are nationals, it is impossible for Israel to conduct Collective Punishment against Palestinians.
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So as long as Israel has not troops on the ground in Gaza, they can do whatever they want at the borders? Even cutting off all food, fuel, and medicine? I don't think so.

As long as Israel controls Gaza's borders, they remain the occupying power.
 
gdnp said:
Even cutting off all food, fuel, and medicine? I don't think so.
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I thought Gaza receieved 'the bare minimum'? Make up my mind please.

As long as Israel controls Gaza's borders, they remain the occupying power.
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Can the goal of the Gaza blockade (whatever it may be) be applied to the West Bank? Why or why not?
 
gdnp said:
As long as Israel controls Gaza's borders, they remain the occupying power.
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Utter nonsense.

To occupy a place you have to, you know, occupy it.

Gaza has been Jew-free (ethnically cleansed) since 2005.
 
gdnp said:
So as long as Israel has not troops on the ground in Gaza, they can do whatever they want at the borders? Even cutting off all food, fuel, and medicine? I don't think so.

As long as Israel controls Gaza's borders, they remain the occupying power.
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Israel control's Israel's side of the Israel-Gaza border. This shouldn't of any surprise to you. France controls the French side of the France-Germany border. The USA controls the American side of the USA-Canada border.

Controlling your own borders is very much the norm. When an entity you are at war with borders your state, the first peaceful solution is to close your border with that state. Look to North and South Korea as a perfect example.
 
gumboot said:
Israel control's Israel's side of the Israel-Gaza border. This shouldn't of any surprise to you. France controls the French side of the France-Germany border. The USA controls the American side of the USA-Canada border.

Controlling your own borders is very much the norm. When an entity you are at war with borders your state, the first peaceful solution is to close your border with that state. Look to North and South Korea as a perfect example.
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Do you honestly expect anyone to take that seriously given the actual situation there?

Where Israel controls not only hte borders but the access from the sea and the airspace. israel is preventing enough supplies getting through to give the Gazans a decent standard of living and it's certinly restricting the flow of goods in order that the Gazans might build up any sort of economy that they might feed themselves.

Making such an analogy between the French-German Border, the American-Canadian border and the imprisonment of the Gazans by the Israelis is complete and utter nonsense. And by doing so you just make yourself look a fool.

No one is buying it!!
 
Again proven that Israel is taking humanitarian actions to ease the pain that the Hamas are unleashing on the Palestinian people:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=6592570&page=1

A state at war with a close-to-being a state (Palestine) and Israel loads hundreds of trucks with food, medicine and other supplies for the needy Palestinians who get no support from their own government.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Do you honestly expect anyone to take that seriously given the actual situation there?

Where Israel controls not only hte borders but the access from the sea and the airspace. israel is preventing enough supplies getting through to give the Gazans a decent standard of living and it's certinly restricting the flow of goods in order that the Gazans might build up any sort of economy that they might feed themselves.

Making such an analogy between the French-German Border, the American-Canadian border and the imprisonment of the Gazans by the Israelis is complete and utter nonsense. And by doing so you just make yourself look a fool.

No one is buying it!!
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Don't you wonder why the Egyptians are closing their border with the Palestinians as well? Probably something that Israel and Egypt know that you refuse to understand.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Where Israel controls not only hte borders but the access from the sea and the airspace. israel is preventing enough supplies getting through to give the Gazans a decent standard of living and it's certinly restricting the flow of goods in order that the Gazans might build up any sort of economy that they might feed themselves.
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That's a pretty sensible thing for a country to do to a neighbour they are at war with.

Why do you keep ignoring this important point? Israel is at war with Palestine. Palestine is their enemy.

Why on earth should Israel help Palestine?

Seriously. Give me one reason.


Tin Foil Timothy said:
Making such an analogy between the French-German Border, the American-Canadian border and the imprisonment of the Gazans by the Israelis is complete and utter nonsense. And by doing so you just make yourself look a fool.
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The complete and utter nonsense is your repeated claim that there's something odd about Israel controlling their own border. There isn't.
 
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