Merged What knocked over the lightpoles, if not AA77?

[Trojan]

Hah! That proves it!

Its the evil Canadians, eh!

Lumberjacks in DC, and they must have brought down the WTC with that corrosive substance.. poutine! (mmmm... Poutine...)

See? See? That Proves it!!!!!!!!!!!!One!!!!!!

I thought I saw a youtube video that claimed it was the Men-in-Black. If its on youtube it has to be accurate right?

 

[Bobert]

So let me get this straight
According to the CIT/PFTT
1) Civilian contractors planted explosives at the pentagon
2) Civilian contractors wheeled in frozen cadavers to plant at the scnee
3) MEN IN BLACK worked in a HEAVILY TRAVELED area and removed and planted the light poles WITHOUT A SINGLE PERSON SEEING THEM
(imagine driving in a area that you travel regularly and all of a sudden there are several downed light poles!)
4) SECRET SERVICE AGENTS planted plane parts
(gee did they do a huddle and then run out onto the field as if playing football?)
5) DNA was planted
(could you imagine the time and effort to plant the DNA for the 64 people that were aboard flight 77? How many people would it take assuming it were even possible? How do you present this assignment to somebody? "Ok Jim here is what we need you to do....there is gong to be a bunch of explosions at the Pentagon. We need you to sneak in and sort of non nonchalantly plant these delicate DNA samples. Just sort of spread them where you think there would really be people....and while you are at it can you check the temperature of the frozen cadavers? We wouldnt want anything to ruin this exercise afterall!")

 

[A W Smith]

So let me get this straight
According to the CIT/PFTT
1) Civilian contractors planted explosives at the pentagon
2) Civilian contractors wheeled in frozen cadavers to plant at the scnee
3) MEN IN BLACK worked in a HEAVILY TRAVELED area and removed and planted the light poles WITHOUT A SINGLE PERSON SEEING THEM
(imagine driving in a area that you travel regularly and all of a sudden there are several downed light poles!)
4) SECRET SERVICE AGENTS planted plane parts
(gee did they do a huddle and then run out onto the field as if playing football?)
5) DNA was planted
(could you imagine the time and effort to plant the DNA for the 64 people that were aboard flight 77? How many people would it take assuming it were even possible? How do you present this assignment to somebody? "Ok Jim here is what we need you to do....there is gong to be a bunch of explosions at the Pentagon. We need you to sneak in and sort of non nonchalantly plant these delicate DNA samples. Just sort of spread them where you think there would really be people....and while you are at it can you check the temperature of the frozen cadavers? We wouldnt want anything to ruin this exercise afterall!")

and "powdermonkeys" who used a "wall breaching kit"

I think i saw them at the zoo throwing feces at the wall to see if it stuck, No not the monkeys, Craig, Aldo and Dom.

 

[Bobert]

and "powdermonkeys" who used a "wall breaching kit"

I think i saw them at the zoo throwing feces at the wall to see if it stuck, No not the monkeys, Craig, Aldo and Dom.

Aaaaah yes the "wall breaching kit".
I guess too many hours in front of the XBOX for the CIT kids.

 

[jaydeehess]

I gotta love the contortions that Craig-o and company will go through.

The poles were now planted the night before by agents rather than downed as events unfolded.

Weellll, except for one pole, the one that smacked Lloyd's car. Supposedly that was planted on Lloyd's car. Lloyd supposedly could not have removed the pole, its too heavy, but there then obviously were agents giving him a hand in both putting it on his car and taking it off. The speculation is also that maybe Lloyd spent the night out there with his car then as the plane went overhead he smashed the window and put the pole on his car.

So the poles were planted the night before so that no one needs to wonder how spooks and agents scurrying about at 9:30 in the morning were not seen, except for those spooks and agents on a well travelled roadway who were busy planting a pole on a taxi.


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The aircraft no longer went over the point of supposed impact so it did not fly through a fireball that would have concealed the overflight so that they can posit a flight path that conforms to the laws of physics even if it means throwing out part of every witness statement



Lawdy-Lawd it must be odd living in such a fantasy world.

 

[nicepants]

I gotta love the contortions that Craig-o and company will go through.

The poles were now planted the night before by agents rather than downed as events unfolded.

Weellll, except for one pole, the one that smacked Lloyd's car.

I was under the impression that CIT believes that the pole was never through his windshield, but that the damage was caused manually by a hammer or something. The basis for this claim is that the windshield damage, seat damage & lack of hood damage is "irreconcilable" with Lloyd's statements.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Wow! These people actually believe they're making a sound argument? How idiotic and delusional they are to be so hell bent on making their case, logic has no part of it.

 

[twinstead]

I was under the impression that CIT believes that the pole was never through his windshield, but that the damage was caused manually by a hammer or something. The basis for this claim is that the windshield damage, seat damage & lack of hood damage is "irreconcilable" with Lloyd's statements.

That's the impression I get too. I appears that like most evidence that contradicts their theory, they've declared the damage irreconcilable, so they get to ignore it completely.

 

[jaydeehess]

I was under the impression that CIT believes that the pole was never through his windshield, but that the damage was caused manually by a hammer or something. The basis for this claim is that the windshield damage, seat damage & lack of hood damage is "irreconcilable" with Lloyd's statements.

Yes, that is what they now say. It has changed over time.

However they originally contended that the pole came from a white van that had stopped to help Lloyd. At any rate if the pole was too heavy for Lloyd alone then another 'agent' had to help him retreive the pole from its hiding place and place it on the roadway.

So now we have Lloyd stopping his car on the road, smashing his windshield with a hammer, retreiving the pole from whereever it was and no one saw this little drama unfolding and reported this to anyone as one very very odd occurance.

One notes that the CiT contend that the other poles were placed in their positions late at night/early morning, under cover of darkness while the area was beings secured for a visit by GWB later in the day. All this so that no one would report seeing MIB placing poles at the side of the road while the events unfolded BUT in Lloyd's case they have him and at least one other scrurrying about doing some very unusual things out in the open and not on the side of the road but actually ON the road.

They have attempted to get around the agents runningaround placing poles as the plane went by the Pentagon by saying they were done well beforehand and by completely discounting all witness statements which describe the poles being hit. However, the only way they can get around Lloyd's story is to demonize him and accuse him of being an agent, which means that such running around was done in order to place a downed pole in the single most visible location of all of them.

 

[jhunter1163]

However, the only way they can get around Lloyd's story is to demonize him and accuse him of being an agent, which means that such running around was done in order to place a downed pole in the single most visible location of all of them.

And, let's not forget, at the time when the most people were around to watch all of the aforementioned running around.

 

[CORed]

Only in truther land are the wings of a 757 fragile enough to be sheared off by a highway light pole! One wonders why wings don't fall off from the far greater forces acting on them while flying at 500 mph.

And only in truther land does shearing the wings off of a plane weighing tens of thousands of pounds going 500mph instantly bring it to a dead stop.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

And only in truther land does shearing the wings off of a plane weighing tens of thousands of pounds going 500mph instantly bring it to a dead stop.

Why didn't we find wings at the outside wall of the Pentagon!!!??? D:<
Everybody knows that when a plane crashes into a masonry wall it is supposed to leave the wings at the entrance!

Wiley Cayote cartoons are enlightening physics guides eh?

 

[roundhead]

Why didn't we find wings at the outside wall of the Pentagon!!!??? D:<
Everybody knows that when a plane crashes into a masonry wall it is supposed to leave the wings at the entrance!

Wiley Cayote cartoons are enlightening physics guides eh?

Hitting even a light pole can take a wing off, or damage it seriously.

Its perfectly foolish to think that the wings would make it through a reinforced wall intact.

It equally foolish to think the wings would make it all the way inside a WTC tower, And that NOTHING from the plane would fall to the earth down the impact wall from the collision.


Only here is stuff like that believed. You people amaze me


From the LA times:


Authorities said the Gulfstream III was 1 1/2 miles from the runway when it hit a light pole on Beltway 8, a toll road that encircles the outskirts of the city. Part of the jet’s wing was sheared off by the impact; the pole was bent in half.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Hitting even a light pole can take a wing off, or damage it seriously.

Not if it's moving fast enough. Throw a bullet at a piece of cloth and it'll bounce off. Fire that same bullet from a gun and it is suddenly and magically able to pierce that same cloth, still without damage to itself.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

If you had read how I made my post it should have been pretty obvious I was making a sarcastic remark...
The remark was aimed at some of the claims that were made by another member stating that the wings should have magically ripped off the body of the plane and been neatly set down at the exterior wall...

Given the distance the plane was from the building though and the speed it was moving the light poles would not have done anything to stop the plane from hitting the building...

 

[MG1962]

Hitting even a light pole can take a wing off, or damage it seriously

You do realise that they were "Special poles" dont you, and that under no circumstances they could have seriously damaged the wings

 

[roundhead]

Anybody care to comment(or more to the point, make an excuse)as to why a sizeable plane gets its wing torn off by a light pole..but 77 didnt by several poles, didnt by a thick wall, and a majical plane at the WTC made it inside a steel building with nothing falling off and sailing to the ground on impact, below the entry.

Wings are strong at the root, but mighty frail at their extremities.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Anybody care to comment(or more to the point, make an excuse)as to why a sizeable plane gets its wing torn off by a light pole..but 77 didnt by several poles,

Odds are high that they were damaged by the impact to the light poles.

didnt by a thick wall

The most the wings did to the masonry wall at the pentagon was give is a lovely score mark on the exterior. Is this a strawman I smell?

and a majical plane at the WTC made it inside a steel building with nothing falling off and sailing to the ground on impact, below the entry.

We can.... save any potential no planesque type issues for another thread... Me thinks you took that little post of sarcasm of mine a bit too literally...

 

[gambling_cruiser]

Anybody care to comment(or more to the point, make an excuse)as to why a sizeable plane gets its wing torn off by a light pole..but 77 didnt by several poles, didnt by a thick wall, and a majical plane at the WTC made it inside a steel building with nothing falling off and sailing to the ground on impact, below the entry.

Wings are strong at the root, but mighty frail at their extremities.

There is a thing called inertia. Look it up.
BTW invisible remote controlled canadian beavers (IRCCB) did the damage to the lightpoles. It's obvious!!!!

 

[Hokulele]

Anybody care to comment(or more to the point, make an excuse)as to why a sizeable plane gets its wing torn off by a light pole..but 77 didnt by several poles, didnt by a thick wall, and a majical plane at the WTC made it inside a steel building with nothing falling off and sailing to the ground on impact, below the entry.

Wings are strong at the root, but mighty frail at their extremities.

Sure, calculate the kinetic energy involved in each event, the time of travel between the various impacts, and the shear strengths involved. That should give you a good start on the answer.