• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

AE911Truth Watch

It is my prediction that Gage is still flogging 1,000 members by 11 September 2008 as a way to blame the truth movement for his moving on with his life on 12 September 2008.
 
LOL! I'm probably wrong. Gage has a whirlwind tour of Europe planned in October. Perhaps he'll hang on for the vacation time and then turn in his notice.
 
Gage doesn't stop. He just keeps adding to his story. This is his letter to congressman Robert Wexler.

http://www.ae911truth.org/info/31

Now, he has tried this tactic before:
Richard Gage said:
AE911Truth.org operates an increasingly popular website
Click to expand...

Really?

136394892c331b6104.jpg


Last year he was claiming their growth was exponential. Busted that time too.

I hadn't heard him make this claim before:

Richard Gage said:
Why were most windows within 400 feet of each tower blown out?
Click to expand...

Has he ever took time to look at any photos?

136394892c3318c51a.jpg


That is WFC 3. How many windows are blown out again? Of course, many windows close around were blown out by falling debris, DUH!

Then, first he says this:
Richard Gage said:
Given the asymmetrical structural and fire damage and the tendency of any disorder to grow over time (as described by the Second Law of Thermodynamics), the falling building sections should have "rolled off" of the intact sections below, resulting in only partial collapses.
Click to expand...

Then this:
Richard Gage said:
We have the technical expertise to support your own research into the collapses of the 3 World Trade Center high-rise "collapses" on 9/11, and we offer ourselves in service to you.
Click to expand...

Nothing new in Gageland. Wild accusations, zero knowledge.
 
One more hilarious thing I forgot to mention :D

From that letter:

Richard Gage said:
Just over a year ago, I heard on a radio program new facts and compelling arguments regarding the terrible events at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. I was stunned.
Click to expand...

Well, he has mentioned numerous times on his website and in his presentation, that he heard David Ray Griffin on the radio March, 2006 and that changed his 9/11 views completely.

Either I suck in maths, or 2008 - 2006 is 2 years :D

Is he so out there he doesn't even remember his own history anymore? Just over a year ago he was already running his website.
 
Last edited:
The slideshow has changed AGAIN.

Not too much this time. Strictly a 5.1 iteration. A few dozen slides were added, making the total 583 now.

I'm about halfway through and here's my list of the changes so far:

New Title Page (fitting the new design of the website)

"Fire Progression" Slides (return to pretending picture taken between tower collapses is after collapse of WTC 1)

"The Center of the Pile Is In Center Of Building" using picture taken days later during cleanup (with palpable damage to Fiterman still visible)

Pyroclastic Like (89) - this is a cute one. One key slide for his pyroclastic clouds now reads Pyroclastic Like Clouds. Ah, the comedy.

New Hot spots picture added (showing hot spots a few days after collapse. Hot Spots are seen under 1, 2, 7... and 3, 4, 6, WFC, and Deutsche Bank Building. Are they all leftover thermite?)

Mark Loizeaux letter re: molten steel (compacted burning debris pile!) - Mark tried to straighten them out about where molten steel was found, under the compacted/burning debris pile. They push the quotes they want and put the quotes they don't into tiny print. Nice try, Mr. Loizeaux!

156 and 159 - Thermite cut through steel? from "This is what you expect..." on 149 and 151 (Another goalpost moving. The slides did say "This is what you expect from thermite cutting steel," showing pictures of structural steel from the memorials. Now they say "Thermite cut through steel?" A retreat from a statement of fact to JAQing off.

Added some shots of NISTAR participants (minor stuff, plays into their "same people showing up" argument)

CNN 10:45 announcement - this one is new. I need to listen to the videoclip they have
Click to expand...

So mostly more of the same. Retreating from statements of fact they can't prove, a return to chicanery of the past, and OMG, CNN said this at 10:45!!!!
 
Last edited:
The major addition is some slides about fire destruction, filling out this argument. They aren't so persuasive, as you might imagine. He quote mines Bazant & Zhou, pumps up Quintieri's opposition, and then does something interesting. He adds a slide about the firefighter who made it to the 78th floor of the South Tower, Oreo Palmer.

He doubles this slide, though. The only difference is a capital letter. Gage only duplicates slides for a couple of reasons. One is a simple mistake. Maybe that's this. Two is to reveal parts of the slide one by one. But this one only changes a capital letter, so it's not that. Three is to play a video or audio clip.

There is no audio or video clip at the website. So this is probably just a mistake. But if he's actually replaying Palmer's voice while mangling what he means to score his little CT points...

I would not be very pleased with people who could do that.

The secret slideshow, which gets more Joooish in motivation, is intact, still there, renumbered and everything. I guess it's available if Gage senses that his audience would be into it. Lots of Silverstein profits, a slide where Osama himself floats the idea that the culprit would be somebody who wants the Christians and the Muslims at each other's throats, the fat Osama argument... that kind of stuff. More and more Gage betrays his far-right-wing-John-Birch roots with this slideshow.
 
Thanks boloboffin (as always) for keeping an eye on this fool.
 
boloboffin said:
More and more Gage betrays his far-right-wing-John-Birch roots with this slideshow.
Click to expand...

Richard Gage is in the John Birch Society? You have evidence for this?

I mean, I'd leap at the chance to call him a "son of a Birch" but only if it's true. :D
 
R.Mackey said:
Richard Gage is in the John Birch Society? You have evidence for this?

I mean, I'd leap at the chance to call him a "son of a Birch" but only if it's true. :D
Click to expand...

I think it could be a fit.

...
Click to expand...
Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks ...


Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We'll use our hand and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads (by Michael Brown)
Click to expand...


 
I knew that as the Chad Mitchell Trio:

Oh, we've told you about the agents that we've already named,
But MPA has agents who are flatly unashamed
The CIA's subversive! And so's the FCC!
There's no one left but thee and we, and we're not sure of thee!
Click to expand...

But yes, you get the idea. ;)
 
Richard Gage said:
Given the asymmetrical structural and fire damage and the tendency of any disorder to grow over time (as described by the Second Law of Thermodynamics), the falling building sections should have "rolled off" of the intact sections below, resulting in only partial collapses.
Click to expand...

nobeleu9.jpg
 
R.Mackey said:
Richard Gage is in the John Birch Society? You have evidence for this?

I mean, I'd leap at the chance to call him a "son of a Birch" but only if it's true. :D
Click to expand...

I have no evidence of an actual membership. I spoke on my increasing suspicion and I should have made that clear.
 
However, some idiot counterterrorism official in the FBI has given them a quote that they are going to put on a banner. A Michael Heimbach wrote one of the Truth chapters a letter back after they sent him a AE911Truth DVD. Most of the letter sounds like standard boilerplate (we're working hard, you can have confidence, etc.), but one sentence is really jaw-dropping:

Mr. Gage presents an interesting theory, backed by thorough research and analysis.
Click to expand...

Mr. Heimbach evidently doesn't know what "thorough" means, not if he applies it to the cherry-picked presentation of AE911Truth. Perhaps he meant "extensive" or "quite a bit" -- in other words, Gage certainly does talk for two hours about a lot of things. But a "thorough" look at the collapses of those three buildings? Not hardly.

I'm going to send him a fruit basket. He should get used to associating with fruits.
 
Thorough reproduction of others investigoogling more accurately. Gage is a parrot of old truther long debunked canards. He merely uses his REMOTELY related profession as an "in" to supposed legitimacy.

Heimbach is too naive to Gage's MO to know the difference.

TAM:)
 
Minadin said:
Chris7,

I find it rather disconcerting that you're still attempting to argue these points. I thought we had laid the issue to rest several pages ago. Kevin Ryan is either a lying fraud, an idiotic incompetent, or, most likely, both. You should not be so quick to hop onto his bandwagon, or at least be a lot quicker to get back off of it.

As to Mr. Knoblach's alleged statements regarding the testing, it's quite clear that you still have no idea how these tests are performed or what they measure. I tried to clear this up for you at the top of Page 17, and I refer you back to that post now:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3632667#post3632667
Click to expand...


Point out why Ryan was professionally incompetent at UL?

Hadnt he, not long before his letter, actually been promoted by UL to a position of much greater responsibility, implying competence and professional ability?

Otherwise, quit slandering Ryan's professional ability at UL
 
T.A.M. said:
Thorough reproduction of others investigoogling more accurately. Gage is a parrot of old truther long debunked canards. He merely uses his REMOTELY related profession as an "in" to supposed legitimacy.

Heimbach is too naive to Gage's MO to know the difference.

TAM:)
Click to expand...


Gage is way overqualified to state that Building 7 was brought down by something other than fire.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom