Why fake the SoC path?

[Mangoose]

Sure they might have thought that, until they turned on the news. Then they would have thought it was a second plane, and this is exactly what they reported. Of course, David Copperfield couldn't put false information into the mainstream media.

Wrong. There was not intensive coverage of a C-130 at all on the news on 9/11. Just a few witness accounts in some random newspaper articles and a brief mention by Rear Admiral Quigley. The Wheelhouse statements have publication dates of 9/14 and 9/15, the O'Keefe statement was published on 9/12, and other witness statements come from non-news websites (e.g. Scott Cook's at clothmonkey.com and Allen Cleveland's at spooky8.com) that I doubt a witness would have seen at the time. I don't recall discussion on the C-130 coming up in the day-long coverage on CBS9. I doubt a witness of the plane would have necessarily seen any news coverage on the C-130 that would have prevented him or her from saying online or anywhere, "I saw a huge fireball at the Pentagon with a freaking silver airliner flying away from it". And I can't imagine the plotters would have such a convoluted plan (including unnecessarily faking a SOC flight path) with so many opportunities for failure and exposure of "what really happened", and then just leave the HUGE PROBLEM of people witnessing and photographing a silver airliner flying away from the Pentagon to just a disinformation campaign with the media involving a plane that doesn't even look like an American Airlines 757.

So what? These videos were taken after the attack. There was no reason to have a camera pointed at the Pentagon before the attack. Those that were (security cameras, citgo cameras, sheraton cameras, etc.) were confiscated.
The argument that "they would never have risked someone taking a video of the attack" fails simply because there is no one to date that has a personal video of the Pentagon attack.

What a lame response. (1) People don't take photos of the Pentagon? No tourists in the area who might want to take pictures and video of the building? An AP reporter who was at the scene mentioned such a person: "I was in my Jeep Cherokee, driving on Route 395 toward DC and listening to NPR. I saw the plane coming down. I didn't have a camera with me. On the left shoulder, I saw this tourist with a video camera. The man was with his wife and son. They were from southern Virginia. He was freaked out completely. He was not recording anything. The camera was facing the ground." (The Washingtonian, September 2002). How lucky for the NWO that this tourist had the camera facing the ground instead of recording. (2) The point I was making was not recording the plane before the attack but the FLYOVER, the magic plane flying over and away from the Pentagon, people to the south and east seeing the plane the moment the fireball erupted and getting their cameras out to track where this plane was going. A plane that Tribby should have seen from I-395. (3) Confiscating videos would not have prevented a Tribby or Riskus from publicizing their footage on the internet, and there is no way the plotters could know whether such people exist before committing to the "official" account of events. (4) Your final point is a non-starter because you're using hindsight which is precisely what your fantasy plotters did not have.

 

[uruk]

~snip~
Still an arument from incredulity. Perhaps destroying certain information held in the Pentagon gives the conspiracy a greater chance of success. Knowledge is power, after all.

Wow, think of all the money and lives that could have been saved if the government had simply bought a paper shredder instead.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Yes but not making a practice dive bomb run.

What about the wing hardpoints on the 757...you know...the ones for thermite mini-nukes...and stuff... *gulp*

They have this neat contraption for that...and its not RdX,
Cordite, Gunpowder or Therm*te. Please tell me your joking.

I would actually theorize that paper shredders are better at destroying documents than explosives. Doesn't seem to be a particularly effecient or secure way to do it. Besides, there's probably a division of E-4s who do nothing but shred sensitive material. Unless of course, their positions were eliminated, forcing Rumsfeld to do something about the mountain of classified but mundane reports that were piling up everywhere - thus necessitating the entire false-flag attack! Why it's brilliant. I guess if you look at it this way, WTC 1/2 and Shanksville were nothing but smokescreens for Rummy's False-Flag Explosive Document Shredding Party.

 

[Mangoose]

i was wondering what you guys thought about these witnesses saying this:

Don Perkal --
Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere.

I recall a poster on 911pi.com who asked Perkal about this and he said he was merely guessing, he was a lawyer and didn't have expertise in that area:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3610646&postcount=103

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Ah, basically the ole Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. Since the Navy Command Center was hit, it must've not only been targeted, but was the prime motivation behind attacking the Pentagon. I see, it's clear now.

Nope- your misuse of logical fallacies is itself a strawman fallacy. I gave a plausible cause and never said it must've happened.

Yes but not making a practice dive bomb run.

You haven't watched the Second Plane Cover Story, have you?

If you want to discuss evidence of AA77 hitting the Pentagon, bump the relevant thread.

I'm trying to answer the OP. I have no idea why you brought up these irrelevant questions. Do you not want the OP answered?

They have this neat contraption for that...and its not RdX, Cordite, Gunpowder or Therm*te. Please tell me your joking.

First you say destroying the ONI command center was a "prime motivation", implying their are other motivations for the attack, by here you imply its destruction is the only motivation. Do you always shift your arguments to suit your bias?

 

[apathoid]

I would actually theorize that paper shredders are better at destroying documents than explosives. Doesn't seem to be a particularly effecient or secure way to do it. Besides, there's probably a division of E-4s who do nothing but shred sensitive material. Unless of course, their positions were eliminated, forcing Rumsfeld to do something about the mountain of classified but mundane reports that were piling up everywhere - thus necessitating the entire false-flag attack! Why it's brilliant. I guess if you look at it this way, WTC 1/2 and Shanksville were nothing but smokescreens for Rummy's False-Flag Explosive Document Shredding Party.

2.3 trillion dollars could've bought buttload of paper shredders(or papershredding E-4s). Or maybe the paper shredders were all tied up shredding the 2.3 trillion, thus couldn't be used for the sooper-sekrit 9/11 document shredding?? I dunno, maybe in that case TLB has a point.

 

[jhunter1163]

The sound of the explosion would travel away from the Pentagon at Mach 1, of course. So, within a few seconds, every eye within a mile of the Pentagon would be riveted on it. And, among all those people, not one saw a flyover. Most importantly, no one on the east side of the Pentagon reported a big honkin' plane going 500+ mph at 200 feet or so. That's the sort of thing that would commend itself to your attention, wouldn't you think?

 

[dtugg]

I'm trying to answer the OP. I have no idea why you brought up these irrelevant questions. Do you not want the OP answered?

You tried and you failed miserably which is why I am not dead. Don't feel too bad, failure is the only thing that twoofers can succeed at so you are not alone.

 

[crashman]

The original pictured run contrary to the elaborate film you keep showing, I believe the person posting this film clip said it was an F-35 but the outline is of a twin wing mounted engine jet more in line with the official story, Is that correct?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

The original pictured run contrary to the elaborate film you keep showing, I believe the person posting this film clip said it was an F-35 but the outline is of a twin wing mounted engine jet more in line with the official story, Is that correct?

Uhh...did I miss something? Or does the JSF now have the ability to appear like a 757 to the naked eye?

 

[Bananaman]

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for civility.

 

[Alt+F4]

i dont want to sound morbid but is there any autopsy reports regarding the victims??

184 victims were postively identified.

At autopsy, forensic pathologists determined the cause and manner of death. The team's forensic anthropologist (with assistance from anthropologists assigned to the Army's Central Identification Laboratory, Hawaii and the Smithsonian) determined the race, sex, and stature of victims when necessary. A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicological studies. Forensic photographers, essential to any forensic investigation, documented injuries and personal effects. Finally, Dover Air Force Base mortuary specialists embalmed, dressed, and casketed remains prior to release to next-of-kin.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3912/is_/ai_n9086520

 

[Pinch]

Chillzero,
Pre-planted explosives/shape-charges/incendiaries obviously would give them that control whereas predicting the damage from a plane impact would be a lot more difficult and unreliable.

Staging the damage ensures success as well.

This, without a doubt, has got to be the most idiotic, ridiculous, moronic, unbelievable attempt at appearing cogent and lucid and sane in the recorded history of mankind.

It has failed miserably.

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for civility. Everyone - please remember not to make sock accusations in threads, and keep your posts civil.

 

[Mangoose]

Pre-planted explosives/shape-charges/incendiaries obviously would give them that control whereas predicting the damage from a plane impact would be a lot more difficult and unreliable.

By your own claim, they faked the SOC flight path, so they would have had to pick which columns to "pre-plant" explosives on in order to "simulate" an impact along that flight path. So much for control -- they flew the plane in the wrong direction to begin with!

BTW, how exactly would explosives INSIDE the building damage the outside facade the way it did?

 

[WildCat]

Hey Craig.....er TLB, how does it feel to belong to a cult that is much smaller (and about as crazy) as Tom Cruise's?

It's smaller than Scientology because the Co$ is smart enough to reveal the truly wackjob insane bits after the cult member is "pot committed", to use a poker phrase.

CIT and PfffT unleash the bat guano insane stuff right from the get-go.

Poor marketing strategy.

 

[dtugg]

It's smaller than Scientology because the Co$ is smart enough to reveal the truly wackjob insane bits after the cult member is "pot committed", to use a poker phrase.

CIT and PfffT unleash the bat guano insane stuff right from the get-go.

Poor marketing strategy.

Yeah, L. Ron was a huge fraud just like Ranquisamo, but he was a smart guy unlike Ranquisamo who are the biggest idiots in the entire world. I guess another difference is that L Ron knew his cult is BS but Ranquisamo probably actually believes in the one they started.

 

[roundhead]

I asked this in another thread but it got moved to AAH. That's fine as it was off topic.

I really, really, want to know why they would fake the "offical path" but actually fly NoC. What possible purpose could this serve?

I would bet my life that there is no rational answer for this.

Maybe the Ranquisamo people here could illuminate us and force me to commit suicide.

My thoughts on this are as follows.

If, in fact, as is my opinion, that 77 didnt hit the Pentagon, then the damage done to that building was caused by some sort of bomb damage.

As the damage was done by a bomb and not a plane, it would make sense if the perps wanted it to appear as damage from a plane, to leave a trail of plausibity to support their "plane impact" story.

The lightpoles being downed affords just such an opportunity, and the "taxi cab scene" paints a nice picture that intends to tie the whole story together.

To the sheep, it would go something like this...Plane impacts poles on its way toward Pentagon, then hits Pentagon.

The "photo op" of the taxi cab was in fact so powerful, it was even used in the 9/11 piece right before McCain came on stage at the Republican convention.

The problem with this "photo op" and the downed poles, is that it ties the perps into that exact story, and flightpath, with zero wiggle room.

The story is now beginning to come apart at the seams.

First because 13 eyewitnesses place the plane in a position to where it couldnt have hit them(NOC), and secondly, any more that a cursory study on thev cabbie/pole spear scenario reveals it to be EXTREMELY unlikely, and lacking plausibility.
Then April Gallop reports seeing no plane debris from roughly 30 feet inside the impact site, where she was sitting that day.

Applying Occams Razor to both sides of the issue, clearly awards reason and common sense to the NOC path and the staging of the poles

 

[dtugg]

My thoughts on this are as follows.

<Ridiculous junk that has nothing to do with my OP snipped.>

Too bad that you didn't even bother trying to answer the question of why the NWO would fake the SoC path but actually fly NoC. I still don't have to kill myself.

You fail, as always.

 

[DavidJames]

Applying Occams Razor to both sides of the issue, clearly awards reason and common sense to the NOC path and the staging of the poles

Of course, Occams Razor, you're right. Staging light poles without being seen, planting explosives without being seen. Coordinating a flyover with the explosives. Planting all the physical evidence of a plane and it's passengers to the scene, without being noticed. etc. etc.

As opposed to actually flying a plane into the Pentagon.

Are you 11?

 

[roundhead]

Too bad that you didn't even bother trying to answer the question of why the NWO would fake the SoC path but actually fly NoC. I still don't have to kill myself.

You fail, as always.

Actually, my post answered it perfectly, you just dont like my explanation. and i cant help you there.