Israeli blockade 'forces Palestinians to search rubbish dumps for food'

[Thunder]

The Palestinians bear responsibility for electing Hamas and allowing them to rain down rockets on innocent Israeli civilians.

 

[Thunder]

Why is Israel the only country in the world expected to provide aid to a country which has vowed to destroy it, and elected a government pledged to do just that?

why doesn't Egypt give them all the food, water, medicine, and fuel they need?

 

[The Fool]

Why is Israel the only country in the world expected to provide aid to a country which has vowed to destroy it, and elected a government pledged to do just that?

Nobody "expects them" to provide aid....thats your spin on it. What everyone should "expect" is that they take into consideration the effects on civilians of blockades aimed at military forces.

But you want to forgive them that responsibility do you?

There are plenty of people happy to provide aid to palestinian civilians it just takes Israel to say ok.....

 

[The Fool]

why doesn't Egypt give them all the food, water, medicine, and fuel they need?

do you lack 2 minutes to spare to find out?

Egypt agrees to go along with the blockade....why? I can think of a number of reasons.

1. They fear upsetting Israel
2. They fear upsetting the US
3. They don't want anything to do with Palestinians.
4. All of the above.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

The Palestinians bear responsibility for electing Hamas and allowing them to rain down rockets on innocent Israeli civilians.

The collective punishment of the Palestinians officially started 60 years ago.

When did hamas get elected?

I condemn the killing of innocent civilians whoever they are, but I wouldn't expect you to have any humanity for the innocent Palestinians.

 

[The Fool]

The Palestinians bear responsibility for electing Hamas and allowing them to rain down rockets on innocent Israeli civilians.

like Iraqis bear responsibility for Saddam (elected overwhelmingly!!!) oooops, no....when saddam was nobbled it was because we had to go in there and free all the "good" iraqis.....How come the same doesn't apply to Palestinians?

The popularity of victim blaming with Palestinian civilians is amazing. Its like these people have a unique "baddy" status unlike any other people in the world past or present.

 

[BirdStrike]

guardian.co.uk

The Islamist party Hamas has won control of seven out of 10 councils in the Gaza Strip, dealing a crushing blow to the Fatah party of the Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas.

Washington Post

The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament, according to official election results announced Thursday, trouncing the governing Fatah party in a contest that could dramatically reshape the Palestinians' relations with Israel and the rest of the world.

BBC

An uneasy calm has returned to the Gaza Strip where Hamas is in full control following a series of attacks on key strongholds of its rival, Fatah. Hamas militants seized the presidential compound in Gaza City overnight after a week of factional fighting, which has left more than 100 people dead.

Who? Us? Responsible for our own citizens? Naaaaaaaaaa.... it's Israel's fault!!!...

The popularity of victim blaming with Palestinian civilians is amazing.

Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept - see: Hamas winning the popular vote, and Hamas taking over the Gaza Strip.. One form of this denial is absolving the Palestinian people for being even partially responsible for electing Hamas by a large majority.

 

[The Fool]

anyone interested in explaining to me why we had to "free" the Iraqis but we don't have to "free" the palestinians?

 

[The Fool]

anyone interested in explaining to me why we had to "free" the Iraqis but we don't have to "free" the palestinians?

Hi Fool, let me give you a suggestion.

A coalition of the willing invades the occupied territories, sets up elections where the palestininas can vote for a range of candidates that we approve. They elect the government of the new free nation of palestine.

what would be the problem with that approach? It was considered appropriate for Iraq...

 

[gtc]

What everyone should "expect" is that they take into consideration the effects on civilians of blockades aimed at military forces.

What makes you think they don't?

 

[gtc]

like Iraqis bear responsibility for Saddam (elected overwhelmingly!!!) oooops, no....when saddam was nobbled it was because we had to go in there and free all the "good" iraqis.....How come the same doesn't apply to Palestinians?

And yet you complain when Israel does intervene militarily in the Gaza strip.

 

[WildCat]

anyone interested in explaining to me why we had to "free" the Iraqis but we don't have to "free" the palestinians?

Feel free to explain how the Iraqi elections (in the Saddam era) were free and fair.

 

[gtc]

Hi Fool, let me give you a suggestion.

A coalition of the willing invades the occupied territories, sets up elections where the palestininas can vote for a range of candidates that we approve. They elect the government of the new free nation of palestine.

what would be the problem with that approach? It was considered appropriate for Iraq...

Israel has intervened in Palestine. That's how come you call them the occupied territories.

Elections have been set up for the Palestinians and they have elected their leaders.

And yet here we still are.

 

[gdnp]

Why is Israel the only country in the world expected to provide aid to a country which has vowed to destroy it, and elected a government pledged to do just that?

Because they are the occupying power. That places the responsibility for the civilian population in their hands under international law.

why doesn't Egypt give them all the food, water, medicine, and fuel they need?

Because they are not the occupying power in the Gaza strip. They have renounced claim on the territory. Israel has not.

Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept - see: Hamas winning the popular vote, and Hamas taking over the Gaza Strip.. One form of this denial is absolving the Palestinian people for being even partially responsible for electing Hamas by a large majority.

So wait...first you have a problem that Hamas took over Gaza militarily, and now you have a problem that Hamas was elected by a large majority of the Gaza population. If I didn't know better, I'd think that maybe your problem was with Hamas, not how they came into power.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Egypt agrees to go along with the blockade....why? I can think of a number of reasons.

1. They fear upsetting Israel
2. They fear upsetting the US
3. They don't want anything to do with Palestinians.
4. All of the above.

Thank you for saving me the trouble.

To elabortate on Fool's pithy observation:

3a. "don't much care for the Palestinians in the first place, given the cause of the Pals has caused Egypt two embarassing defeats at the hands of the Israelis.

2as "to the tune of a few billion a year, US dollars."

Chamberlain didn't know that peace could be purchased for cash, rather than for silly gentlemen's agreements between Powers over the also-rans' various fates.

DR

 

[Darth Rotor]

anyone interested in explaining to me why we had to "free" the Iraqis but we don't have to "free" the palestinians?

The American's dont want to invade Israel ... yet.

DR

 

[BirdStrike]

Hi Fool, let me give you a suggestion.

A coalition of the willing invades the occupied territories, sets up elections where the palestininas can vote for a range of candidates that we approve. They elect the government of the new free nation of palestine.

what would be the problem with that approach? It was considered appropriate for Iraq...

It is possible that the subject in denial may shift culpability for the reality, and attempt transference to another party - see: An imaginary "coalition of the willing," who will install "a range of candidates that we approve."

 

[WildCat]

Because they are the occupying power. That places the responsibility for the civilian population in their hands under international law.

Israeli troops haven't occupied Gaza since 2005.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Israeli troops haven't occupied Gaza since 2005.

Variation on your theme:

Hamas is the occupying power. Why are they not held to account?

Well, the honest answer is:

The UN/International Community are real rhymes with hunts when it comes to holding much of anyone to account.

Oil for food for fifty, Alex.

DR

 

[BirdStrike]

Because they are the occupying power.

1) So Hamas forces took control of Gaza, but Israel actually occupies Gaza. Uhhhmmm. ok.

That places the responsibility for the civilian population in their hands under international law.

2) So Hamas forces took control of Gaza, but as the real occupying power, Israel is actually responsible for the civilian population of Gaza under international law.

Because they are not the occupying power in the Gaza strip.

3) Hamas actually doesn't occupy Gaza. Ahhh...ok.

So wait...first you have a problem that Hamas took over Gaza militarily,

4) So Hamas does occupy Gaza now? I'm getting confused.

...and now you have a problem that Hamas was elected by a large majority of the Gaza population.

5) So even though Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament... it is really me that has "a problem."

If I didn't know better, I'd think that maybe your problem was with Hamas, not how they came into power.

6) I have a hard time supporting Islamist militants recognized as a terrorist organization by the US, EU, Canada, and Israel. Call me crazy.