How 9/11 was done

[Dr Adequate]

You're a tough cookie but I smell it's Händel time again soon.

Again, slowly, step by step...

Here is my source of information.

Question to the good doctor and 'Iowa farm boy' Sparky:

Do you agree yes/no that in 1999 Los Alamos was able to perform high quality voice morphing, taking a 10 minute sample voice as input to produce in near real-time an impressive Colin Powell impersonation?

2-3 letter responses suffice.

No.

This is not voice morphing, it is speech synthesis.

Here's one for you. Do you agree that this gizmo is not capable of voice morphing and does not function in real time?

 

[9/11-investigator]

No.

This is not voice morphing, it is speech synthesis.

Here's one for you. Do you agree that this gizmo is not capable of voice morphing and does not function in real time?

Without googling, according to me:
- voice morphing: something like 'reshaping' a voice. You have one real voice as an input and another computed voice as an output.
- speech synthesis: my good old 1983 Commodore 64 (God I loved that thing!) had a speech synthesizer chip, that was able to read aloud typed in lines of text, with a robotic sound.

Explain to me why the Los Alamos gitzo is a synthesizer rather than a morpher.

Quotes from the article:

"At least the voice sounds amazingly like him. But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile."

"Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.... To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup."

This is exactly what happened. Influence populations with a technology that has come of age.

"Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations."

"The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword."

Who owns Hollywood again?

"With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future."

How prescient!

 

[9/11-investigator]

Wow! So much stupid in just a few paragraphs. There is no comparing the two. On he 911 calls, the people couldn't breath

Baloney. They were not even coughing.

and, as Bell noted, death was immanent and basically unavoidable.

They died because of the implosion, that nobody expected except for the button pushers in WTC7. Had WTC not collapsed they would have survived with these ever diminishing fires

BTW, where is the sound of the explosives on those 911 calls from the towers?

Directly after he screams 'Oh God'. Eat your heart out with this excellent video with majestic shots of the exploding Twin Towers (had not seen some of them before).

 

[dtugg]

Directly after he screams 'Oh God'. Eat your heart out with this excellent video with majestic shots of the exploding Twin Towers (had not seen some of them before).

I am not going to bother watching this, since it came from 9/11-investigator it is guaranteed to be junk. But who wants to bet that this video includes the fake video with the explosion sounds edited in?

There were no explosives in the towers, period. If there were, they would have made very loud bangs which would have been recorded by every video camera and heard by literally millions of people. This did not happen.

 

[Sparky]

Do you agree yes/no that in 1999 Los Alamos was able to perform high quality voice morphing, taking a 10 minute sample voice as input to produce in near real-time an impressive Colin Powell impersonation?

Bolding mine.

The difference between near real-time and actual real-time is the difference between the chicken and the pig.

Until you can reconcile that difference, your argument fails.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I am not going to bother watching this, since it came from 9/11-investigator it is guaranteed to be junk. But who wants to bet that this video includes the fake video with the explosion sounds edited in?

I'm 5 minutes in... and so far it's the same traditional abuse of similes and metaphors being used to prove that explosives were set up in the building... Same old "all of the concrete was pulverized to dust" argument (with no mention of the thousands of tons of steel packed in the debris pile and across 16 acres of downtown Manhattan.

It's apparently the same cliche arguments that's we've all heard. It even has some original video of the collapses with the original audio, and yet not a single loud bang or sequence of bangs -- only the sound of a building collapsing...

911-investigator, I really am unimpressed by your standard of evidence. This gross misrepresentation of witness context has grown quite old.

 

[Bell]

They died because of the implosion, that nobody expected except for the button pushers in WTC7. Had WTC not collapsed they would have survived with these ever diminishing fires

Directly after he screams 'Oh God'. Eat your heart out with this excellent video with majestic shots of the exploding Twin Towers (had not seen some of them before).

I'm not going trough approx 1 hour of video to find the segment you are referring to. What I am going to do, is provide you with a link where you can find the soundclip by itself (from the Moussaoui trial)

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/

Scroll down to "Exhibits: Audio"

Now, where in the last few seconds do you hear explosions?

Furthermore... ever diminishing fires?

(from http://www.pbase.com/bankst/911_gallery)

 

[apathoid]

9/11 Investigator,

Since we are on the subject of the phone calls, which you believe were faked, I believe you've failed to consider one aspect(apologies if it was already brought up) of all this....the "real" Airfone calls. Since you feel that AA11 and UA175 were somehow remotely guided to their targets, you have to account for the real passengers. What I mean by that is: if you posit that the calls on record were somehow faked, how did your perps stop passengers from making real actual Airfone calls to their loved ones? Calls that could blow the whole conspiracy wide open if made? How do you fit this into your theory without implicating GTE/Verizon and further implicating American Airlines and United Airlines?

 

[articulett]

Voice morphing morphs a given voice into a different voice...

It doesn't make a random voice into the voice of some specific person you need it to sound like.

If the passengers wanted to pretend to be somebody else, they could alter their voice... but other people could not alter their voice to sound like the passengers having some real time conversation!

This is so simple, even a child should be able to understand.

Just as you can contaminate DNA so it's unrecognizable... you cannot make DNA so that it looks like someone else's DNA!

I'm embarrassed for any adult who cannot understand this, and any "conspiracy theory" that requires such an imaginary device is just laughable. (Dare I say that it's as "out there" as the Lizard People conspiracy?)

 

[Sparky]

Are you interested in conducting an experiment, 9/11-Investigator?

I'm willing to upload a sample of my voice as a WAV file. I'll let you choose the script of my voice sample and I'm willing to make it any length you like within reason, of course.

Having done that, you make take as much time as needed (again within reason) to attempt to create a "voice template" for me using MorphVOX Pro or any other method that suits your fancy.

Having done that, I want you to be able to prove that you can, in as close to real time as possible, duplicate my voice, this time to a different group of words and sentences to be determined by me. You will have no advance warning of what will be in this 2nd script and it will not be provided as a WAV file to you this time.

We will both provide our sound samples to a mutually-acceptable neutral (or as neutral as it gets around here) party, who will then post both files for the public.

What do you say, sport? Got game?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

majestic shots of the exploding Twin Towers (had not seen some of them before).

With one statement, you have summed up your entire reason for being here.

"Majestic" is something you'd use to describe a pristine Appalachian vista, an amazing symphonic arrangement or Angelina Jolie's naked figure.

I can't believe you used THAT word to describe THAT event. I would go with horrifying, terrible, shocking, and disgusting for starters. Unless you take some sort of shadenfreude in the wholesale unabshed murdering of thousands of innocent people.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Without googling, according to me:
- voice morphing: something like 'reshaping' a voice. You have one real voice as an input and another computed voice as an output.
- speech synthesis: my good old 1983 Commodore 64 (God I loved that thing!) had a speech synthesizer chip, that was able to read aloud typed in lines of text, with a robotic sound.

Explain to me why the Los Alamos gitzo is a synthesizer rather than a morpher.

Because it doesn't take a voice as an input.

Quotes from the article:

"At least the voice sounds amazingly like him. But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile."

"Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.... To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup."

The journalist is misusing the word "morphing". According to your definition, which for once coincides with everyone else's, this is not voice morphing. It's high-quality speech synthesis.

Who owns Hollywood again?

People who, in common with everyone else in the world, do not own a voice-morphing gizmo that operates in real time and imitates someone else's voice well enough to fool their family and friends. Because this does not exist. It certainly didn't exist on 9/11. The crucial bit is that you need real-time speech recognition of someone talking at a natural conversational speed. In 2001? It is to laugh, ha ha.

If you go on denying this for the next ten years, then by then someone might manage to invent one.

However, the fact that seven years after 9/11 you can't come up with a single gizmo that does what you need it to do ought to suggest to you that there's no such thing now and there certainly wasn't then.

 

[Dr Adequate]

They died because of the implosion, that nobody expected except for the button pushers in WTC7.

Oh, so that's where they were based.

Look, I know that the conspirators are mere puppets who will do any stupid thing Truthers dream up, but this takes the platinum-plated cake.

Had WTC not collapsed they would have survived with these ever diminishing fires

And yet you claimed that the phone calls were made by people who were in imminent danger. Now we learn that they were from people who so far as they knew really had nothing to worry about.

Damn stupid of all those people to jump off the Towers, too, wasn't it, to avoid these perfectly harmless flames?

Directly after he screams 'Oh God'.

'Cos he can see short distances into the future?

 

[Dr Adequate]

I notice that you still haven't answered my question. Let's ask it again. If, as you postulate, the Evil Jews can't simulate emotion, does that mean that all the phone calls that sounded emotional were genuine?

 

[9/11-investigator]

9/11 Investigator,

Since we are on the subject of the phone calls, which you believe were faked, I believe you've failed to consider one aspect(apologies if it was already brought up) of all this....the "real" Airfone calls. Since you feel that AA11 and UA175 were somehow remotely guided to their targets, you have to account for the real passengers. What I mean by that is: if you posit that the calls on record were somehow faked, how did your perps stop passengers from making real actual Airfone calls to their loved ones? Calls that could blow the whole conspiracy wide open if made? How do you fit this into your theory without implicating GTE/Verizon and further implicating American Airlines and United Airlines?

Apathoid,

You raise a valid point. The (too) easy answer is: I do not know. How ever, as with everything else regarding 9/11, the issue also stinks to heaven. Here's a part of a trutherite Japanese broadcast about the phone call issue:

Part 1.
Part 2.

In part 2 at the start it is shown that the credit card companies had erased the corresponding records.

I certainly do not want to implicate the telco's or airlines themselves, but we already know about the possibilities of Israeli intelligence agencies to infiltrate into these networks (read Bamford and Ketcham on this topic). I'm sure my little sister is unable to fake an airphone call; I am not so sure about certain people from the spy capital of the world, Israel.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I notice that you still haven't answered my question. Let's ask it again. If, as you postulate, the Evil Jews can't simulate emotion, does that mean that all the phone calls that sounded emotional were genuine?

No.

I just want to say that in the case of 9/11 they performed sub-optimal. Or did a lousy job.

 

[dtugg]

No.

I just want to say that in the case of 9/11 they performed sub-optimal. Or did a lousy job.

Yeah, the evil jooooooos did so horribly bad that they totally convinced every single person that go a phone call that they were actually talking to their loved ones. In fact they did such a horrible job that the entire world except for a few super competent investigators like you and David Ray Griffin are convinced they are real.

You sir, are a joke.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Because it doesn't take a voice as an input.

The journalist is misusing the word "morphing". According to your definition, which for once coincides with everyone else's, this is not voice morphing. It's high-quality speech synthesis.

How do you know?

7:40 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPG6WURLC7Y

Here is a demonstration of a voice synthesizer. I have to admit that nobody is speaking into a microphone.

OK. Maybe you are right and do I have to change my theory and replace the Mossad agents with a headset with Mossad agents with just earphones and fast typing skills.

Not that I am excluding the earlier scenario: I have shown that it is possible in real time to change your voice in somebody else his voice. I fail to see why the prepackaged voice from MorphVox Pro could not have been replaced with anybodies voice, if you just extract the proper voice peculiarities from your sample.

Thanks for expanding my possibilities to explain the phone calls with the typing scenario.

 

[9/11-investigator]

And yet you claimed that the phone calls were made by people who were in imminent danger. Now we learn that they were from people who so far as they knew really had nothing to worry about.

I say nothing of the sort. I was talking about this guy who was located a few stories above the impact zone. If he was able to survive 1 hour he was most likely to survive for another hour. I am not talking about the people who found themselves in the horrific impact zone themselves and were forced to jump because of the flames.

 

[Sparky]

Not that I am excluding the earlier scenario: I have shown that it is possible in real time to change your voice in somebody else his voice. I fail to see why the prepackaged voice from MorphVox Pro could not have been replaced with anybodies voice, if you just extract the proper voice peculiarities from your sample.

Let's assume for a moment that you have a "Dutch" accent when you speak English. Do you believe that MorphVox Pro will eliminate that accent or replace it with an Southern U.S. accent?

Sorry, it won't. It will still sound like someone with a Dutch accent.

Chickens and pigs, my friend.