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The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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WildCat said:
Has anyone posted this yet?
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It's ok, but it loops after about 1 second.

This one is better but still not that great. I swear the walk looks almost identical. A documentary used an athlete to replicate the walk, but Ole Bob seems to do it just fine.


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Once again, Dfoot hits one out of the park!

His movie clip depicts "inhumanly long arms" with moving fingers and enormous bulk.

The whole meme of "it can't be a man in a suit because the arms are too long" was started by John Green, and can be seen in full flower in this online interview:

http://www.bigfootproject.org/interviews/john_green.html

"This creature has an intermembral index - the comparison of the length of the arms to the length of the legs - that is totally outside the human range so it cannot be a human in a suit, but it is also totally outside the range of any other known primate of any size at all. Therefore, it has to be an unknown primate. This can only be ignored, it cannot be argued against. All you can do is say, "Well, you can't measure properly on the film." Well, you can't measure precisely, but the different is so slight that it doesn't matter. The human intermembral index is around 70, all of the great apes are over 100, this thing is in the high 80's. The question of the angle of this segment of the arm to the camera and so on, if you look at enough frames, you've got to be able to get to it."

You never see this issue even come up when real suit experts are consulted, like Stan Winston, John Vulich, Chris Walas, and others. But Dfoot's short movie really buries the "inhuman IM" argument.

Sorry Bigfooters, another one bites the dust. To hold onto the "Inhuman IM" argument at this point is an exercise in quasi-religion, not science.
 
Here's another comparison, using a different still....and an adjusted center-line...

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...and Bob...still has the same problem....'chestwidthtoosmall-it-is'. :(
 
Just for laughs, I thought I'd help Bob's body width problem....so I upsized his image enough to make his chest-width equal to Patty's chest-width....


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Ooops! Something went wrong...:(.

Time for the Fat Lady to start singin'......

"And it's toooooo late baby now...:D...it's too late...
Something inside has died...or maybe it just never happened..." ;)
 
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Sorry Bigfooters, another one bites the dust.

To hold onto the "Inhuman IM" argument at this point is an exercise in quasi-religion, not science.
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Pardon me while I laugh at the "skeptics" who still hold on to their 'Bob is Patty' religious beliefs. :)
 
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tube said:
Once again, Dfoot hits one out of the park!

His movie clip depicts "inhumanly long arms" with moving fingers and enormous bulk.

The whole meme of "it can't be a man in a suit because the arms are too long" was started by John Green, and can be seen in full flower in this online interview:

http://www.bigfootproject.org/interviews/john_green.html

"This creature has an intermembral index - the comparison of the length of the arms to the length of the legs - that is totally outside the human range so it cannot be a human in a suit, but it is also totally outside the range of any other known primate of any size at all. Therefore, it has to be an unknown primate. This can only be ignored, it cannot be argued against. All you can do is say, "Well, you can't measure properly on the film." Well, you can't measure precisely, but the different is so slight that it doesn't matter. The human intermembral index is around 70, all of the great apes are over 100, this thing is in the high 80's. The question of the angle of this segment of the arm to the camera and so on, if you look at enough frames, you've got to be able to get to it."

You never see this issue even come up when real suit experts are consulted, like Stan Winston, John Vulich, Chris Walas, and others. But Dfoot's short movie really buries the "inhuman IM" argument.

Sorry Bigfooters, another one bites the dust. To hold onto the "Inhuman IM" argument at this point is an exercise in quasi-religion, not science.
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You mean Dfoot's vid showing him moving the fingers on a hand extension? But the wrist isn't the indicator, the elbow is. You need to fake the elbow as well. I have not seen this done effectively in any of the expert's suits. I need to see a proper photo analysis done on the original film before deciding the "inhuman IM" argument is toast. Fat chance of that but until then it's inconclusive IMO.
 
Wow I go on a little trip and when I come home Bigfoot is running amok over some guy named Bob. Well kids I wish Bobs arms were longer although his width can be accouted for with padding. Dfoot's cyber hand is lovely as usual and I bet the wearer could scratch their ankles with it without bending down. But remember boys and girls the gross extension of the hand destroys the proportions of the articulated elbow. Funny I watched a big guy cross the street this morning and noted his arms... Too short for Patty.

I did recently pick up on what appears to be bristling hair on Patty's arm during the frame352 series. Looks just like a gorilla bristling. In other shots no bristling but bristling at the closest approach Patterson made with his noise making Kodack. Have photos but posted in the PGF threads at BFF.
 
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Oainn:

"You mean Dfoot's vid showing him moving the fingers on a hand extension? But the wrist isn't the indicator, the elbow is. You need to fake the elbow as well. I have not seen this done effectively in any of the expert's suits. "

I would agree with your statement. Hand extensions of all varied degrees of technology or simplicity have been well established long before the PG film was made, but in general, they all fail to displace the elbow joint appropriately, and the longer the hand extension, the more obvious the effect becomes as the upper arm/lower arm ratio is distorted.

I have never seen an effective arm extension with an elbow repositioned, and the wearer bends the arm (elbow joint ) about 90 degrees, and the arm still looks natural.

I'd welcome anyone's contribution showing it can be done.

Bill
 
Crowlogic said:
Wow I go on a little trip and when I come home Bigfoot is running amok over some guy named Bob. Well kids I wish Bobs arms were longer although his width can be accouted for with padding. Dfoot's cyber hand is lovely as usual and I bet the wearer could scratch their ankles with it without bending down. But remember boys and girls the gross extension of the hand destroys the proportions of the articulated elbow. Funny I watched a big guy cross the street this morning and noted his arms... Too short for Patty.

I did recently pick up on what appears to be bristling hair on Patty's arm during the frame352 series. Looks just like a gorilla bristling. In other shots no bristling but bristling at the closest approach Patterson made with his noise making Kodack. Have photos but posted in the PGF threads at BFF.
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So does the portion I bolded mean you now think it's a real animal? Not extinct after all?
 
Bill Munns said:
I have never seen an effective arm extension with an elbow repositioned, and the wearer bends the arm (elbow joint ) about 90 degrees, and the arm still looks natural.

I'd welcome anyone's contribution showing it can be done.

Bill
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What is so inhuman about Patty's arms that arm extensions are needed? They don't look out of human range to me.
 
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So does the portion I bolded mean you now think it's a real animal? Not extinct after all?
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It means I see what appears to me to be bristling hair on the forearm of the PGF subject. If the detail is actually that the suit mavens opinions are of more interest than mine. I have no opinion about it only an observation. However I do have very strong opinion that Pattys arms are long without seeming fudged to make them so.
 
Log, why don't you post or link to the image of the piloerection you are referring to? DTK/Luminous/Kerry used to talk about that a lot but I don't think he was talking about the arm.
 
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Kitakaze:

"What is so inhuman about Patty's arms that arm extensions are needed? They don't look out of human range to me. "

My study showed the armspan was 108% of body height, long, but within human range.

I've never argued for an inhuman IM or inhumanly impossible long arns. There's just longer than the average human's arms, proportional to estimated body height.

Personally, I think Patty's arms are nicely proportioned, especially upper arm to lower arm.

Bill
 
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