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NIST Releases FINAL WTC 7 Report - Nov. 20

RedIbis said:
So they still won't produce Column 79 or any other physical evidence which supports their unprecedented column collapse due to fire and global collapse due to single column failure theory. Nope, no reason for skepticism at all.
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The steel used in building WTC7 wasn't marked in such a way for them to determine where it came from. Therefore, even if they found pieces of column 79, they wouldn't have known exactly what it was. Your paranoid comments mean nothing.
 
Hey, my comment is there, too! Along with that embarrassing place where I accidently cut part of a paragraph off and sent it in anyway!

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Ah, well, them's the breaks.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
So it's 'official' then; time to rewrite all fire codes.
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I'm majoring in mechanical engineering and things have already changed after 9/11, as would be expected. Codes changed after the Titanic sank. Even the new WTC7 is much improved from the original. Check out the concrete core, wider stairwells, and the water sprinkler standpipes INSIDE the stairwell in this video I shot: youtube.com/watch?v=VhYD-09u_w8

It's much safer. No one would go in it if it weren't.
 
I love Kevin Ryan's letter. He isn't even trying anymore, he's just hurling insults.

PS, anyone else remember how someone (may have been me) posted a thread last May or so about how Kevin Ryan was still asking for - and accepting - donations for his court case against UL, even though the case ended with the judge throwing it out in August 2007 and Ryan chose not to appeal it? I sent an email to the Scholars website and they said they hadn't updated the site in a while and would take it down. Well, I had forgotten about this since then, but the other day I checked the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice website and, guess what... it's STILL there! They're STILL taking donations for Kevin Ryan's court case, even though it was thrown out over a year ago now!
 
Someone from Denmark, I believe, found my email address on the public comments and sent me a letter informing me that there was no evidence of Muslim terrorists boarding the planes. I replied that indeed there was and sent him several links of evidence. Then I got the diatribe.

Sigh.
 
boloboffin said:
Someone from Denmark, I believe, found my email address on the public comments and sent me a letter informing me that there was no evidence of Muslim terrorists boarding the planes. I replied that indeed there was and sent him several links of evidence. Then I got the diatribe.

Sigh.
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Something is rotten in Denmark.
 
boloboffin said:
How absolute the knave is! We must speak by the card, or equivocation will undo us.
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a braggart, a rogue, a villain who fights by the book or arithmetic*.








*Bonus points if you know what the speaker is really talking about!
 
boloboffin said:
How absolute the knave is! We must speak by the card, or equivocation will undo us.
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"I am glad of it, a knavish speech sleeps in a foolish ear."

Could you imagine if Hamlet was a jref member? He'd win the pith award every time.
 
Here are some of the entities picked from the comments section, who agree with NIST that it was fire that caused the collapse.


National Fire Protection Association (NFPA):

The draft report by NIST on August 18, 2008 is what NFPA believes to be a very thorough, technical, scientific study of a building loss investigation that is only rivaled by the WTC 1 and WTC 2 study released in 2005. Additionally, NFPA is pleased to see the work effort of NIST resulting in positions on many controversial and sometimes, unpopular subjects.

My added note from NFPA website: ​

The world's leading advocate of fire prevention and an authoritative source on public safety, NFPA develops, publishes, and disseminates more than 300 consensus codes and standards intended to minimize the possibility and effects of fire and other risks. NFPA membership totals more than 81,000 individuals around the world and more than 80 national trade and professional organizations.​


The International Code Council (ICC) ​

The ICC would like to commend NIST and its contractors on the quality and thoroughness of the report. The professionalism exhibited by the report is commendable and demonstrates to the public the high level of technical expertise and management excellence of NIST and its public and private sector partners. This expertise is especially important in the evaluation of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, which has been the subject of intense public and media attention.​

The ICC is a 40,000+ member association dedicated to building safety and fire protection.
http://wtc.nist.gov/comments08/ICCwtc7comments.pdf​


The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH):​

The Council believes that the NIST report is a responsible attempt to find the cause of the failure, and finds that the report has investigated many of the probable causes. The Council has several technical questions about details of the modeling; but we would not expect that to change the conclusions: that the floor beams failed due to fire, which led to buckling of the internal columns resulting in global failure.
http://wtc.nist.gov/comments08/CTBUHwtc7comments.pdf​


The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ):​

I would like to compliment you and your staff for the tremendous effort in preparing the draft report that was released on August 21, 2008


So let me see. Should I trust the professional organizations like NFPA and ICC, which represent more than 120,000 members, and agree it was fire that caused the collapse. Or should I trust organizations like AE911Truth, which represent about 500 conspiracy theorists, and agree it was a controlled demolition that caused the collapse?​

What do you think?​
 
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boloboffin said:
Someone from Denmark, I believe, found my email address on the public comments and sent me a letter informing me that there was no evidence of Muslim terrorists boarding the planes. I replied that indeed there was and sent him several links of evidence. Then I got the diatribe.
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I apologise on behalf of my countrymen. Sadly the twoofers overhere are much like everywhere else, few in numbers but annoyingly loud.

EDIT: I see we even have our very own DRG-clone, some university hack who likes to claim more knowledge than engineers & who likes having meetings on a regular occasions to 'discuss' the latest technical findings :rolleyes:

2nd EDIT: .. and said DRG-clone has even made a movie. That should be interesting to watch.
 
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KDLarsen said:
I apologise on behalf of my countrymen. Sadly the twoofers overhere are much like everywhere else, few in numbers but annoyingly loud.

EDIT: I see we even have our very own DRG-clone, some university hack who likes to claim more knowledge than engineers & who likes having meetings on a regular occasions to 'discuss' the latest technical findings :rolleyes:

2nd EDIT: .. and said DRG-clone has even made a movie. That should be interesting to watch.
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Hmmm. What's his name?
 
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