Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[gdnp]

So many posts of mine being deleted, edited or moved, I'm not sure this one will make it through.

Jeff does acknowledge that we've been emailing back and forth. I HAVE given in to the JREF demand that James Randi need Not be present.

So in this instance of the Give and Take of Negotiations I HAVE come closer to a protocol that the JREF MDC will finally agree upon.

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!

There will be EVP's and ITC in record breaking numbers tonight ... Mark my words!

I'd like to thank everyone for their help in taking the test. I am looking forward to the Million Dollar Challenge!

Hello, Professor. We are awaiting any news of the events of October 31st. Nothing seems to have hit Google. How did everything go?

 

[Azrael 5]

Can a moderator clarify this claim by The Professor over on The Magic Cafe:

I have had the last four Protocol posts deleted on the JREF Forum... So we will discuss their interference here.

Back to you.

 

[Darat]

It is not true - he has had some posts not approved (as have quite a few Members) however none of his posts contained a protocol for the MDC.

 

[Azrael 5]

Thanks Darat,confirming what I knew would be the case.Good to have it in print.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

It is not true - he has had some posts not approved (as have quite a few Members) however none of his posts contained a protocol for the MDC.

If I were The Professor and I would not trust the JREF Forum moderation to be fair, I would send my protocol suggestion(s) via certified mail directly to the JREF.

While that surely would run up the bills at first, I would easily cover that with JREF Prize, wouldn't I?

 

[rjh01]

If I were The Professor and I would not trust the JREF Forum moderation to be fair, I would send my protocol suggestion(s) via certified mail directly to the JREF.

While that surely would run up the bills at first, I would easily cover that with JREF Prize, wouldn't I?

Not only would I do that but join every suitable forum and post it there with full cross links. I would assume that the guys in the CT forum have a valid point and so make it as hard as possible to suppress what I want everyone to know.

Instead we find a protocol that does not suggest anything paranormal. Is there anything much left to discuss?

 

[RoboTimbo]

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So in this instance of the Give and Take of Negotiations I HAVE come closer to a protocol that the JREF MDC will finally agree upon.

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!
<snip>

Come back to the negotiation table, The Professor. So, Halloween night wasn't the night. According to Jeff's post, you aren't any closer to an agreed upon protocol.

Suggestions have been made to the last protocol offer that you presented here. Which ones have been incorporated into the protocol negotiation?

Let me make an aside suggestion: Get permission from the cemetary to be there.

 

[MattC]

Are you claiming that a world renowned Scientist of Merit and Award does not know what " SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE" means?

I think I understand how you get this response from my post, which I quote below for the sake of clarity:

In some fairness, these writers have produced a much more coherent version of Mr. Koenig's first protocol, yet the fundamental imbalance with the protocol (that it requires interpretation or subjective judgment, rather flagrantly stated I might add) remains unaddressed. In fact, the refusal to address this rather simplistic issue with the claim seems to be a hallmark of these repeated negotiation proceedings. Getting the claim finished by Friday is probably not possible unless some strong effort is put in to remove this particular concern.

~ Matt

I can only assume that your comment is in response to mine dealing with the flagrant inclusion of judgment in your claim.

Briefly, having this 'world renowned Scientist of Merit and Award' (whomever he or she may be) judge the test completely changes the character and fundamental nature of the test. It is no longer a test of your abilities, but rather a test of this scientist's knowledge.

It is for this reason that I do not think the JREF will accept any claim involving subjective judgment, and for their insistence that results be self-evident. The test is ultimately designed to prove whether or not the applicant has the ability to generate the results they claim to be able to through paranormal means (and therefore test the applicant), not whether or not a scientist can explain results presented to them (which would test the scientist).

~ Matt

 

[gdnp]

Jeff, has there been any correspondence with The Professor since Halloween?

 

[RoboTimbo]

The Professor, are you planning on using this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvjhHd09hM? It appears to be a radio receiver that has been hacked to scan a frequency range. You will hear random words, phrases, music and static.

If that is your plan, I don't believe it will take the expertise of a scientist to determine why voices appear on previously blank magnetic recording media in close proximity to it.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

...
TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!

There will be EVP's and ITC in record breaking numbers tonight ... Mark my words!

I'd like to thank everyone for their help in taking the test. I am looking forward to the Million Dollar Challenge!

Where is the beef?

 

[petre]

Where is the beef?

I dunno, I think I would prefer to commend, rather than condemn, that TP has at least not wasted his time and ours with any kind of fake evidence to wharrgarbl over. That nothing has been posted yet should be taken as a sign that he has some standards he is not willing to give up simply for the sake of results.

Additionally, if he should never return and forever remain silent, then one may likely assume whatever evendence he's now seen (or rather, heard) was not significant enough to continue in his challenge.

It would hardly be a character flaw to be a bit sheepish if you've discovered a phenomenon you exalted loudly, and publicly, did not occur nearly as fantastically as described. In fact, short of "manning-up" and taking one's licks in a public rehash of your lackluster results, this would be the scenario any skeptic would expect if an applicant were to honestly and adequately test their protocol.

So I say bravo, Professor, bravo.

 

[Pogo]

More like a lesson in how not to shoot your mouth off about the amazing thing you are going to accomplish before you've even tried the task.

 

[leonAzul]

The test is ultimately designed to prove whether or not the applicant has the ability to generate the results they claim to be able to through paranormal means (and therefore test the applicant), not whether or not a scientist can explain results presented to them (which would test the scientist).

Nor whether or not they occur at a particular location.

Considering the notoriety of the place, even if something inexplicable were to occur, what evidence would prove that it came about as a result of TP's efforts and not merely because the place itself is "special"? The prize is for someone who demonstrates paranormal ability, not someone who discovers paranormal events.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!

There will be EVP's and ITC in record breaking numbers tonight ... Mark my words!

I have marked your words. Where is...erm....anything? Anything at all? An EVP. An ITC. A paranormal event. A huge headline. A major news story. A minor news story. Any news story. Any story. Even a made-up story. Perhaps a comment on an obscure website. A bogus YouTube video. A self-made self-promoting video. Some meaningless smack talk. Anything. Anything. :cricket: :cricket:

Don't tell me I spent all that time marking words for nothing. I would feel like such a fool.

 

[Cuddles]

The prize is for someone who demonstrates paranormal ability, not someone who discovers paranormal events.

No it isn't.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

It doesn't matter whether The Professor can do anything himself or not, if he can show something paranormal happening during his test, he wins the million. Of course, this still relies rather heavily on him actually demonstrating something paranormal. At this point, just something would be a good start, paranormal or not.

 

[KarlG]

No it isn't.

It doesn't matter whether The Professor can do anything himself or not, if he can show something paranormal happening during his test, he wins the million. Of course, this still relies rather heavily on him actually demonstrating something paranormal. At this point, just something would be a good start, paranormal or not.

"Something paranormal" would not be a successful challenge as far as i am aware, it would have to be what was specified in the protocol. If he says he can record EVP and he fails, but manages to bend a spoon with the power of his mind, it would still be a fail. A nitpick, i know, but TP might read this and we need to get rid of any wiggle room he may try to introduce.

Not that i believe we'll ever see a protocol but . . . .

 

[gdnp]

The professor seems to have successfully made himself disappear. Does that count?

 

[Cuddles]

"Something paranormal" would not be a successful challenge as far as i am aware, it would have to be what was specified in the protocol. If he says he can record EVP and he fails, but manages to bend a spoon with the power of his mind, it would still be a fail. A nitpick, i know, but TP might read this and we need to get rid of any wiggle room he may try to introduce.

Not that i believe we'll ever see a protocol but . . . .

Yes, of course. I was just pointing out that the challenge makes no distinction between "something that The Professor does" and "something that The Professor can show happening". Obviously that something has to be the thing claimed in the application and detailed in the protocol, but it doesn't matter if it's The Professor doing it, someone else doing it or even something that would happen with no human intervention at all. Homeopathy is a perfect example of this.

 

[RoboTimbo]

The professor seems to have successfully made himself disappear. Does that count?

I'm wondering if this is irretrievably broken, even though elsewhere The Professor states that he is still working on a protocol behind the scenes and is still in communication with Jeff Wagg. I don't think his claim:

On October 31st at The Devils Chair in Lake Helen Florida, I, David Koenig, will cause voices to appear audibly (Or visibly) on previously blank magnetic recording tapes by Paranormal, or Scientifically Unexplainable, means.

made clear that he intends to use noise generators of some type to imprint sounds onto the recording media and a scientist is supposed to listen to it and pick out words and then not be able to explain how intelligible words got there.

Is there any way that this could ever be self-evident and not subject to judging?