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ddt said:
To add: Doron, what about your statement "Hilbert was wrong". Are you going to retract that or what? Ditto for "Gödel was wrong".
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Oh, for the love of Freya -- stop bludgeoning Doron with this question. Obviously he/she/it is neither going to justify it or explain it.
 
drkitten said:
(*) See, DDT, I'm using your multiset notation. Happy?
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I can't take credit for that; it was RealityCheck in post #36 who proposed that. But good to see it is adopted, it will be helpful later on. When only Doron adopts it too...

Likewise, you should also get credit, by laying the groundwork with your references to Shannon, for "my" entropy definition in post #75.

nathan said:
Btw Doron's a he, not a she, inspite of what one might conclude from the name. (DDT's provided conclusive evidence Doron's some manager at Tahal, some Israeli construction concern.)
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Not really conclusive - everyone can lie on the internet, after all. But Doron has mentioned before - on IIDB - that he is a CAD manager at Tahal. Doron has also said he was previously a Fortran programmer. If the level of reasoning Doron here employs is indicative of the general level of the employees at Tahal, I'm not surprised anymore by the enormous water leakages from the Mountain Aquifer that runs through Israel and the West Bank.

But if you want conclusive evidence that Doron works at Tahal, you could just drop a line to the Tahal HR department, not?
 
doronshadmi said:
[qimg]http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/Penrose.jpg[/qimg]
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So how did you make that picture? Did you draw it by hand, or was it generated by a program? Could you provide the source of the program?

To add: Doron, what about your statement "Hilbert was wrong". Are you going to retract that or what? Ditto for "Gödel was wrong".
 
drkitten said:
Oh, for the love of Freya -- stop bludgeoning Doron with this question. Obviously he/she/it is neither going to justify it or explain it.
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Did I set another trend here with which god to invoke? :). I just ask Doron to retract the statements. That's not too much to ask, methinks. Or should I put it in Latin: "ceterum censeo ..." ? ;)
 
jsfisher said:
Ok, so, according to your (ab-)use of the term entropy, it is a property that a multi-set either has or doesn't have. You continue to skirt examples like [1,1,2], but by your description, above, [1,1,2] has "no entropy" because a difference can be found between the members.
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No it has a partial entropy.
jsfisher said:
By the way, your description contradicts previous examples. In particular, [1] has "an entropy".
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Worng. Please look again at http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4090844&postcount=100 .
jsfisher said:
So, where are we? Well, you now have provided some meaning to your non-standard use of the term entropy. Unfortunately, in renders meaningless just about all of your Notion #1.

That doesn't leave you with very much to discuss in this thread.
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You are running too fast and miss what you read.
 
doronshadmi said:
No it has a partial entropy.
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That isn't what you described. If you don't like the conclusion, correct the explanation.

Worng. Please look again at http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4090844&postcount=100 .
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That isn't what you described. If you don't like the conclusion, correct the explanation.

You are running too fast and miss what you read.
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Nope. If you don't like the conclusion, correct the explanation.

This should be simple, doron. Just tell us, precisely, what you mean by entropy - no handwaving, no vague descriptions, no selective examples, just the basic concise and precise meaning.
 
doronshadmi said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4092043&postcount=109
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Sorry, I stand corrected. It was his original proposal. But you still didn't understand it, did you? As you didn't understand my two proposals. And you still don't understand them, and you'll never understand them as you're never willing to listen to knowledgeable people nor willing to really invest in learning math.

To add: Doron, what about your statement "Hilbert was wrong". Are you going to retract that or what? Ditto for "Gödel was wrong".
 
doronshadmi said:
Let me give you a hint.

Distinction is a first-order property in this thread.
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Do you really think, Doron, that shifting from one undefined word to another undefined word is going to endear you with other posters?

Do you really think, Doronl, that not defining your self-invented words is going to bring you one step closer to an actual theory?

Do you really think, Doron, that this behaviour exposes you as anything else than an utter and total crackpot.

To add: Doron, what about your statement "Hilbert was wrong". Are you going to retract that or what? Ditto for "Gödel was wrong".
 
doronshadmi said:
Order is not important here but the difference between b,a and c is important in this example.
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Why then did you introduce an order on a, b, and c, and didn't you just state they were all different?

To add: Doron, what about your statement "Hilbert was wrong". Are you going to retract that or what? Ditto for "Gödel was wrong".

Your question has been stated clearly. To repeat it in every post is uncivil, and a form of flooding. If it's ever going to be answered, it will be, regardless of your attempted harrassment into submission. Please stop this now.
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Oh my god. My mind is blown. Everything I knew about math was wrong. How can I thank you for showing me the light?
 
I personally give up! There is no other way I can say to him, to what is doing isn't math.

I wonder tough if he ever had any education on the matter, if he has ever demonstrated in his life one of the already proven theorems. If he knows what is a definition, theorem or axiom.
 
GreyICE said:
Oh my god. My mind is blown. Everything I knew about math was wrong. How can I thank you for showing me the light?
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Not wrong, simply partial.


Light alone or darkness alon are no reseachable, their relation is researchable and it is both prevent AND complement any result.
 
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ddt said:
Why then did you introduce an order on a, b, and c, and didn't you just state they were all different?
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Order is a special case of Distinction, exactly as set is a special case of multi-set.

In both cases I look for the general.
 
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