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Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

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How can this go forward if The Professor continues to offer $25,000 bribes for assistants?
He needs to be told by The Powers That Be to stop this now, or else.
 
Glad to see that the claim has been made and accepted.

I'm also glad to see that the preliminary has been moved -- or at least that it seems acceptable to move it -- to 2009. I'd made this suggestion to TP earlier so that he could use this year to find out what, exactly, are the capabilities and limitations of the situation.

The ideas about the protocol setup are interesting -- I can only hope that these "paranormal entities" are capable of getting inside an acoustically soundproofed, sound- and vibration-mounted faraday cage. I mean, if they are just invisible entities that somehow invisibly cause air particles to vibrate within the frequencies used for human hearing, I'm afraid that those vibrations won't be any more able to get into the box than the vibrations caused by a standard human being would. The entities would have to be able -- and willing -- to get inside the box.

Dave, I've got a couple of questions/suggestions:

1) Are you going to be able to get the equipment in time for your show* this Halloween?** What I am suggesting is that you set up the equipment as it has been suggested here and see if it works. With the faraday caging and the soundproofing and the vibration-mounting and all. Then ask your ghosts if are able and willing to go to the recorder and talk to it, using a coherent set of word in English ("I am a ghost", vice "purple whizzbanger run"). When you're done, have someone toss a die. Even number, The Tape is labeled "A". Odd, it's labeled "B". A control tape with some random statements recorded on it ("I am an apple" "Will John see the apartment?" "Yellow is the color of the sun", etc, at a sound volume that you either know or suspect will be at about the same level at which the ghosts will speak) is labeled "B" or "A" (respectively). That person will record which tape is which, but you won't know (and your other volunteers won't know) until after the test is complete. Now, someone else will use the die to determine whether each of 10 volunteers will a) listen to the control tape or b) listen to The Tape. This person will make a list of who got which tape ("Mary Jones - A" "John Smith - B"). Have your listening volunteers write down anything they think they might hear -- without telling them what exactly they're supposed to be hearing! -- on a paper labeled with their respective names.

When it's all done, break out all the lists and compare the answers of the ten volunteers. For the control group, you want to see how well they were able to write down what was on the tape (this demonstrates that the sound level on the tape was adequate) and for the non-control group, you want to see if they were able to hear anything and, if yes, that it was the same thing.

If this works, you can use this as the basis for a protocol with JREF. Be careful, though, that the volunteers are not clued as to whether they're listening to The Tape or the control, are not informed what the ghost was asked to say, etc. They should have absolutely no clue. None of the volunteers direction who listens to what should have a clue, either -- this is to prevent unconscious cuing.

This assumes, of course, that the "paranormal entities" are willing to participate. You've said to me in other correspondence that they are often hostile, which means that they might want to mess up your test just to mess up your test -- I'd worry less about JREF wanting to rig the test than I would about the "paranormal entities" doing so because they're ticked off at you! Do you think you'd be able to get one to cooperate?

2) The first demonstration you do for the JREF will be the preliminary, not the formal (for the $1 mil) test. Is that unacceptable to you?

3) James Randi will not be present for the first demonstration that you do. Is this unacceptable to you?

*I say "show" even though you have stated that it is a test, not a show, because you have also stated that the demonstration will be 27 minutes long "to leave room for commercials". So it's a show -- perhaps a show of a demonstration, but a show nonetheless. I don't consider the word "show" to be pejorative in this case unless, of course, it's all a setup for a standard magical trick publicity stunt.

**I am also assuming that the authorities will have no issues with you recording a show in a public cemetery at midnight. As has been pointed out, this is another potential show-stopper and permission should be pursued immediately, if you haven't been all over this already (I recall seeing something about you being permitted to be there between 7am and 7pm, but if your show is at midnight***, this obviously doesn't cover it. Also, you may want to make sure that even allowed daylight "visiting hours" include activities beyond standard gravesite-visiting activities, such as setting up audio and visual equipment, faraday cages, press presence, etc).
 
The Professor said:
Please stop begging the question. My goal is to be the first person in the USA to be tested for THE REAL MILLION DOLLARS WITH A REAL PARANORMAL TEST.
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I am leaving now for the Devil's Chair!
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Keep your eye on the prize. To test for the million, you have to pass the preliminary first. Also, please look up the definition pf Begging the question.
 
The Professor stop with the grandstanding that you are going to get a shot at the million.First you have to supply a protocol that is self evident(so proving voices to be self evidently paranormal aint gonna be easy sunshine!)then you have to purchase all this electronic equipment(is gonna be expensive!)THEN you have to pass the preliminary test by doing magic tricks(definitely not gonna happen! :D ) to be anywhere near the Million.

Being honest -aside from a couple of cult internet radio stations,who else is going to care enough to turn up on Halloween? CNN? ABC? FOX News? If DFK is very lucky some local news cable company may cover it. :)
 
Czarcasm said:
I ask the moderators of this forum and The Professor, is it antagonistic to inquire as to whether The Professor as requested permission from the authorities to bring a faraday cage and other assorted electronic items to The Devil's Chair to perform a test in front of a number of observers on that date and time? There is a distict difference between this, and a request to just "visit" The Devil's Chair between the hours of 7am and 7pm.
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He answered this, in a roundabout way to be sure, but the answer is no.
 
The Professor said:
I've already explained this about three weeks ago on Sept. 8th . Please read the posts you've linked to yourself.
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In the post I linked to, you stated that you are allowed to be in the cemetery between 7am and 7pm, but that you would need special permission, which you thought would probably be denied, to be there at midnight.

This is not an answer to the questions that I asked.

Please try to answer the questions.
 
The Professor said:
I've already explained this about three weeks ago on Sept. 8th . Please read the posts you've linked to yourself.
I am Following the plan I laid out then. It has not changed much in that respect.
I will be there again today. :)
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In the post I linked to (9th Sep) you stated that you would be allowed to be in the cemetery between 7am and 7pm, but that you would need special permission, which would probably be denied, to be there at midnight. You have so far failed to say whether or not you have actually asked for this permission.

Just answer the question. If you think you've already answered it, please link to the spacific post in which you have done so.

Then again, it should be such a simple answer that it would be much easier to just answer it. Here it is again; a yes or no answer will suffice:

Are you now proposing to carry out the test between 7AM and 7PM rather than at midnight?


If you are still proposing to carry this out at midnight, do you have permission to do so? Who, if anyone, have you asked for this permission?

You have a serious credibility problem if you cannot answer these questions.
 
TP -

Will you consent to a preliminary test if James Randi does not attend? Please answer yes or no.
 
Czarcasm said:
How can this go forward if The Professor continues to offer $25,000 bribes for assistants?
He needs to be told by The Powers That Be to stop this now, or else.
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I can offer to share the wealth with anyone I wish. It's a FREE COUNTRY.
Help for free if you will, but I'm not greedy. My reward is elsewhere as many have pointed out.
I will even give the POWERS THAT BE a share if it's fair. Why shouldn't they be rewarded for their work?
Many don't see the bottom line. For Critical Thinkers some of you have missed the whole concept while others see it clearly.
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I sat on the Devil's Chair this afternoon in the Florida Sunshine. There was much more activity then usual. More noises, more insects, more wind and many more "Voices"......
There is One Thing that remains almost always the same .... NO PEOPLE!
The cemetery is almost deserted every time I go there. Only once out of the dozens of times I've been there were there other "LIVE" people paying their respects. No one comes and no one is there when I get there. The place is almost always totally empty.
They have replaced the missing fence from last month. The cemetery is impossible to get into at night without jumping the fence.

After that I met with the Producers of Chasing the Devil and Henry Blackheart Is Dead.
Even independent movie deals can make a bit of cash!

I paid my respects to George Thatcher and his Mother. He didn't get to experience much in this world, passing at only 7. His Mother beside him in slumber, she was only 37 when he left and she waited another 30 or so years to greet him again.
 
Czarcasm said:
How can this go forward if The Professor continues to offer $25,000 bribes for assistants?
He needs to be told by The Powers That Be to stop this now, or else.
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It doesn't matter. This is only a protocol negotiation, and any shenanigans by paid-off assistants at this point would be offset by the JREF having final say in what protocol they accept.

As for shenanigans at the test site by paid-off assistants, well ... The JREF must have provisions for dealing with that - they've had so many tests before.
 
Czarcasm said:
I ask the moderators of this forum and The Professor, is it antagonistic to inquire as to whether The Professor as requested permission from the authorities to bring a faraday cage and other assorted electronic items to The Devil's Chair to perform a test in front of a number of observers on that date and time? There is a distict difference between this, and a request to just "visit" The Devil's Chair between the hours of 7am and 7pm.
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You know that TP is looking for a way to avoid the test and make it look as if somehow the JREf has defaulted on the challenge. It is not very wise to push for the early resolution of such logistical problems, because TP will just claim that skeptics have prevented him from taking the Challenge. Let him make the necessary arrangements by himself and let him fail of his own accord.

I doubt very much that TP will insist on the presence on James Randi, because everybody can see that Randi is not instrumental in making the apparitions (or whatever) materialize, and if the protocol fails because of this demand, TP would have difficulty to portray the failure afterwards as owing to the JREF.
 
The Professor, this is a polite request. Could you please restrict your comments to dealing only with your claim and protocol.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero


(I've put that in a mod box to ensure you notice it easily)
That will benefit you in the long run, as any information you need will be more easily found, given the rate this thread is growing. I ask, because you seem to be overlooking some important points as you go, and perhaps the distractions are .... well... distracting you.

For example, Rosemary Hunter would indeed have received $1,000,000 had she passed the preliminary and then the final test. The same applies to you - this is your prelliminary test, and you will have to repeat it to obtain the million.

If you could confine any discussion here to the protocol, then I daresay we will all see much better progress towards your ultimate goal. I am certain that you, same as the JREF, do not want anything to take away the opportunity that could have been easily avoided with a little care and attention.
 
If Mr. Keonig has finally submitted an acceptable claim to Jeff Wagg, perhaps it is time to open a moderated thread exclusively for protocol suggestions.
 
Thank You Jackalgirl!
I'm glad that you are here with your truly critical mind :)
I am pleased. You have been a great help.
I will take the time this morning to answer your questions.

1) Since the JREF and I have not even really begun the Protocol negotiations, I do not see this years attempt to be acceptable by the JREF.
I've had several calls by those interested and are following the negotiations to see if I will do "Something" anyway.
I will be deciding that question in a few days if all goes well.

As far as using dice or envelopes in the test I would steer away from it. There are too many ways to rig the outcome. It would be suspect from the beginning.

2) As many who've read what has been written, I have never agreed with the "Double-Jeopardy" feel of the multiple testing. I see it as a weak point in the JREF MDC and it seems that Randi himself, in order to appear fair, offers to disregard the preliminary test all together. He has done so for Sylvia Brown, John Edward, Uri Geller, a test in Europe, (To name a few) and just three or so weeks ago for Graham at DragonCon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW1KaSSftLE
In this video he states that he HAS done it and OFFERS to do it again.
That aside.... I will do whatever it requires to take the test for the Million Dollars!

3) Since it is the Janes Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge, It would seem quite revealing if Randi, claiming to be honestly seeking the truth about the Paranormal, did not attend. But if it is not part of our agreement I would be happy to deal with it.

Now a question for you?
To better understand the Protocol, many have called this a SHOW and act as if Publicity is a BAD thing.
If not for Publicity, there would be no Million Dollar Challenge.
Randi knows that. He is a huge publicity hound and loves the limelight (Rightly So! Who Doesn't)
The Application now INSISTS that you have Media Attention (Publicity)!
It is written in as part of the JREF MDC.
 
The JREF MDC recommends testing independently. I have done so before. I did again yesterday, and I will continue to do so. I also went by the Lake Helen Police Dept. yesterday. I will be finding out this week if they have received disruptive emails from disgruntled JREF members who seek to cause problems with the location.
My association with them this far has been very cooperative, friendly and positive.
As part of the protocol I have developed strict rules to follow "Inside" the cemetery.
 
steenkh said:
You know that TP is looking for a way to avoid the test and make it look as if somehow the JREf has defaulted on the challenge. It is not very wise to push for the early resolution of such logistical problems, because TP will just claim that skeptics have prevented him from taking the Challenge. Let him make the necessary arrangements by himself and let him fail of his own accord.

I doubt very much that TP will insist on the presence on James Randi, because everybody can see that Randi is not instrumental in making the apparitions (or whatever) materialize, and if the protocol fails because of this demand, TP would have difficulty to portray the failure afterwards as owing to the JREF.
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Since the Mods have allowed this question I will answer it.
Your logic and Critical Thinking is in question here.

You are 100% correct that "Zealous" JREF Forum Members should not meddle in the negotiations between the Lake Helen Police Dept. and myself.
It would be an obvious attempt to "Sink The Ship" before it's left the dock.

Again you are 100% correct about the appearance of James Randi. If he choses to NOT attend the challenge then whatever assumptions and opinions that people have of him as a result are of his own making and those who count him "Insincere" will be free to say what they feel.

BUT.....If you need more help with your logic as to why I WILL take the challenge, feel free to ask.
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