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Mark Roberts Interview on Skeptic Zone

HomIns....

Pathetic.


Gravy...

Sorry our interview led to this. You were quite right.
 
Gravy said:
Screw Loose Change has numerous posts about 9/11 and Holocaust deniers, including an account of the Phoenix 9/11 Truth conference in Feb., 2007, which was organized by a Holocaust denier. Here's SLC's search results for "Holocaust" http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search?q=Holocaust
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The conference was in Chandler, Arizona, and the Holocaust denier was Eric D. Williams who was the organizer until he was exposed by Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog and by local journalist Stephen Lemons. Incredibly, Williams was not booted but only demoted to a lesser role at the conference.

(I should note that truther superstars Dylan Avery and Alex Jones did bail out of the conference after Williams was outed.)

The five minute video linked below is by truther Jon Gold and was supposed to be a take down of Lemons who was “mean” to Bob McIlvaine and local truther Blair Gadsby . What you will see, however, is a bunch of truthers, including Jim Fetzer, rushing to defend Williams. The irony of this video was completely invisible to Gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5ovCSBotw
 
Man there really needs to be a Godwin's Law sub-forum added to AAH.

It could at least cut the irrelevant postings down in this sub-forum by at least 30% if not more.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Yeah right Mark. BTW I thought you were retired from here? So I guess you’ve finally taken your thumb out of your mouth and have stretch out of that fetal position Gage beat you into and are now just getting some of your confidence back. Good for you tough guy.
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AAAAHHHH! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

That's some nice generizations you made there. Lumping everyone together who might have some similar thoughts on one issue. Do you generalize much? I mean being on the subject of anti-Semitism and all I was just curious.
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Nice of you to purposly ignore the fact that Gravy said that SOME prominant truthers were anti-semetic. He never said that all truthers were anti-semetic
 
Gravy said:
I’m going to take a break from Loose Change’s narrative for a moment, to talk about 9/11 denial and anti-Semitism.
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You've obviously spent a lot of time investigating select 9/11 truthers in support of your guilt-by-association fallacy. What conclusions have you come to? Can you estimate how many of us truthers are really jew-hating bigots? Please break it down by the numbers for us.

In any event, just focusing on a few bad-apples serves your purpose, doesn't it? Because you know full well that if you just point out that sources like AFP are run by bigots, that even if what they have to say about 9/11 is true, most people won't be aware that you're committing a fallacy.

Then you can avoid dealing with the facts that have caused so many people to question what exactly happened. If you really push this hard enough, you might be able to-preempt all questions about 9/11 altogether! After all, if everyone knows that the 9/11 truth movement is really just a smokescreen for hating jewish people, that will serve as a deterrent enough, won't it.
 
Could you answer those questions, Tippit?

Does Gravy know your movement better than you do?
 
Mercutio said:
HomIns....

Pathetic.


Gravy...

Sorry our interview led to this. You were quite right.
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I'm not sorry at all, Merc. The truther posts here exactly illustrate the points we were making.

And Rodriguez warning the anti-Semites that they're being discussed? Wow.

I wish these things weren't so, but since they are so, I'm glad we shed light on them, so that others may learn.
 
uruk said:
AAAAHHHH! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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Yeah I thought it was funny too. Though you better not let your hero hear you laughing at him. He seems to hold grudges.

uruk said:
Nice of you to purposly ignore the fact that Gravy said that SOME prominant truthers were anti-semetic. He never said that all truthers were anti-semetic
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He did? Then he doesn't have much of an argument does he? Very observant of you! Have a cookie.
 
Tippit said:
You've obviously spent a lot of time investigating select 9/11 truthers in support of your guilt-by-association fallacy. What conclusions have you come to? Can you estimate how many of us truthers are really jew-hating bigots? Please break it down by the numbers for us.
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It is you who commits a logical fallacy. My comment was about prominent truth leaders who were/are Holocaust deniers. If I got something wrong, let me know.

In any event, just focusing on a few bad-apples serves your purpose, doesn't it? Because you know full well that if you just point out that sources like AFP are run by bigots, that even if what they have to say about 9/11 is true, most people won't be aware that you're committing a fallacy.
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Your fallacy again. You miss the fact that I examined those AFP claims in my Loose Change Guide, and showed them to be false.

It's 2008. When are you going to learn to do your homework?

Then you can avoid dealing with the facts that have caused so many people to question what exactly happened. If you really push this hard enough, you might be able to-preempt all questions about 9/11 altogether! After all, if everyone knows that the 9/11 truth movement is really just a smokescreen for hating jewish people, that will serve as a deterrent enough, won't it.
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As always, you're welcome to shoot me an email detailing anything you think I've gotten wrong. Until then, I suggest conserving your energy. Your brain may be in need of the oxygen. :)
 
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Mark Roberts, thank you for exposing these sickening anti-semites and the allies who do so much to cover up for them.
 
tanabear said:
Mark Roberts starts off by stating that the 9/11 Truth Movement was largely started by Holocaust denier's and anti-Semites.
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It was.

Chris Bollyn, Eric Humsfield, Carol Valentine, American Free Press...

You name a popular 9/11 denier theory and we can probably trace it back to it's anti-semite roots. If you honestly think anti-semites don't influence the movement, just look at the theories around WTC7: Many other buildings collapse, but let's focus on the one owned by a jew.
 
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Gravy said:
How sad. I just received an email from William Rodriguez. He wrote an email to “one of the most influential American anti-Semitic propagandists of the past 50 years.” (see above) and to anti-Semite Michael Collins Piper to advise them that "Mark Roberts of Brooklyn, NY" "attacked" the American Free Press on this website. He linked to this thread.
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Sheez. It's like he's looking for a pat on the head from AFP. That's... messed up.
 
Mercutio said:
Could you answer those questions, Tippit?

Does Gravy know your movement better than you do?
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Well, your premise is wrong. I don't have a movement. I haven't attended any rallies, I don't own any investigate 9/11 t-shirts, I don't attend workgroups, or meet-ups. The questions were rhetorical in the sense that I really don't care what the answers are anyway. That there are bigots who think we were lied to about 9/11 is inconsequential. That rubes like Roberts are using smear-tactics to discredit a broad-based and diverse movement of people is irrelevant. He has failed to convince us with his version of the facts, and this is what he's left with.

The truth movement could be filled with axe-murderers and it wouldn't change what I think about 9/11, and it wouldn't change what happened.
 
Tippit said:
Well, your premise is wrong. I don't have a movement. I haven't attended any rallies, I don't own any investigate 9/11 t-shirts, I don't attend workgroups, or meet-ups. The questions were rhetorical in the sense that I really don't care what the answers are anyway. That there are bigots who think we were lied to about 9/11 is inconsequential. That rubes like Roberts are using smear-tactics to discredit a broad-based and diverse movement of people is irrelevant. He has failed to convince us with his version of the facts, and this is what he's left with.

The truth movement could be filled with axe-murderers and it wouldn't change what I think about 9/11, and it wouldn't change what happened.
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My apologies, then.

Oh, and could you provide a bit of evidence that the movement (not your movement) is "broad-based and diverse"? Those are not adjectives I would use, so I look forward to your educating me.
 
MarkyX said:
It was.

Chris Bollyn, Eric Humsfield, Carol Valentine, American Free Press...

You name a popular 9/11 denier theory and we can probably trace it back to it's anti-semite roots. If you honestly think anti-semites don't influence the movement, just look at the theories around WTC7: Many other buildings collapse, but let's focus on the one owned by a jew.
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And the official version was started by...

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, 9/11 Commission Report (an obstructed investigation btw)...

Yeah right. You really have the white hats on your side.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Yeah I thought it was funny too. Though you better not let your hero hear you laughing at him. He seems to hold grudges.
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Aw come on. You really know who I was laughing at. Then again maybe not.


He did? Then he doesn't have much of an argument does he? Very observant of you! Have a cookie.
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I think that he was alluding that you all (truthers) were being lead around by your nose by anti-semites. They will then use your numbers to bolster their agenda.
 
uruk said:
Aw come on. You really know who I was laughing at. Then again maybe not.
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Yes I do. And he might not find it funny. You really didn't need to laugh at him so hard did you? You don't resent your hero at all do you?

uruk said:
I think that he was alluding that you all (truthers) were being lead around by your nose by anti-semites. They will then use your numbers to bolster their agenda.
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Well you won't have to just think as to what I might be alluding to. I think I make it pretty clear who has been leading you by the nose.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
And the official version was started by...

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, 9/11 Commission Report (an obstructed investigation btw)...
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You forget to mention the NIST scientists, FEMA, the NYFD, NYPD, first responders, Arlington Fire department, FBI, CIA, Controlled Demolition Inc., the mayor of Shanksville, Wally Miller, FAA, NORAD...

And that's just the top of my head.
 
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