Atheism is a false philosophy held by the most arrogant

[paximperium]

Paxim, you sure "seem" to be saying a lot, but nothing seems to make any sense, at all..maybe you're just an illusion..like your atheistic philosophy. You must enjoy your arrogance, pretending to have something of substance to say, but actually saying nothing of SUBSTANCE.

An entire paragraph of an Ad Hominem with no substance. Never once have you refuted anything in my original post.

PAXIPAD, why don't you swallow that gigantic ego and try to explain WHY YOU BELIEVE ORDER DOESN'T REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION.

Snort...amusing. YOU made the claim that order requires intelligent direction.

Didn't you make the claim? Why don't you tell me how this "intelligence" directs the formation of stars and crystals.

I knew my "arrogance" charge would hit your hot button. This really hurts, doesn't it?

Yawn...I AM ARROGANT, so? How does that prove me wrong and your inane argument right?

I'm not the one making answers up with no evidence by using inane logic and philosophical juggling from lame apolegetics.

I'm calling you out. Convince me.

Calling me out? What for a smackdown? What are you? Twelve?

I'm not interested. You are not interested in learning anything. You are here to preach and no one here is interested in your BS.

Tell me why something can come from nothing and order doesn't require intelligent direction.

NO, you dishonest amateur wannabee philospher. I'm not playing your dishonest little game.

Why don't you explain where your "intelligence" comes from and how it creates order? Come back when you have an answer.

If you can, you'll be the first in history.

Don't have to. I don't know. Unlike you, I don't make up ******** answers with no evidence. I await new knowledge while you delude yourself by making things up. Your belief retards exploration and knowledge.

You're like the guy who says to the insurance man, ""I don't need any life insurance because I'm not going to die." Yeah, Mr. smarty-pants. You'll be the first!

Ooooooh...a threat. Wow. I await the hellfire threat as well.

I dare you to stop being so cute and make a serious attempt to be wise. You "appear" to be so intelligent, but you don't have the argument to Convince me. You can't, can you?

Teach me please!

Not interested. You can wallow in your deluded little world for all I care.

Your reply shows the level of your intellectual interest in a discussion. Why don't you go post in a little apologetic website and get a pat on the back like you usually do. Your argument is just inane.

 

[ravdin]

In all fairness, it's true that many atheists are quite arrogant. But to claim that the creator of the universe is speaking especially to you, implanting special insights into your mind as how best to behave (and tell everyone else to behave), may bend or break the laws of nature on your behalf if you ask enough times, and will allow your ego to survive long after your physical body has disintegrated into dust?

Not even I am arrogant enough to make claims like that.

 

[six7s]

Therefore the one thing that we can be most sure about is that order does not require intelligent direction.

Ain't it cool that thinking (cf believing) can (and does!) help us understand reality

Thanks Robin!

 

[Pardalis]

Of course the definition of God seems to NEVER be addressed by an atheist. The most elemental definition of GOD is, in my opinion, an organizing intelligence of which everything consists.

What a crummy definition.

 

[PitPat]

But most folks calling their selves atheists are simply rejecting science and common sense, ignoring fact and reason. I have listened to so many atheists attempt to explain why they believe there is no God yet none of them has ever made a reasonable case.

Then you never really listened; even if you don't believe in atheists' explanations, most are still quite reasonable. You're attempting to turn many atheists' main argument against them (science and common sense), as so many have tried to do before, usually in an attempt to be clever. And like them, fail.

Common sense should tell you that the sophistication and complexity of any product demands an organizing intelligence capable of manufacturing it, right?
The atheist argument that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION is the primary flaw in the philosophy, rendering it false.

No, common sense does not tell me that. Even if it did, science and logic often holds common sense in contempt. This is just another argument along the lines of "life, universe and the natural world is just so big and complicated, my head hurts, easier just to hang it on a deity."

Or, what about the fact that the Earth has been traveling 18.51 miles per "second" on its orbital path around the Sun and doing it for hundreds, maybe millions of years, and makes one complete orbit every 365.2422 days?

Isn't that more durable and precise than any watch or clock man has ever made?

So the 'common sense' answer is that an invisible being outside of our plane of existence is responsible for it?

Oh, speaking of the PRIMARY FLAW of atheism. Let's say you dis-assemble your ROLEX watch, carefully place all its parts in a paper bag, and then set the bag on a table in an empty room, leave the room, and lock the door.

How long will it take before the ROLEX reassembles itself, without the assistance of any intelligence?

It won't self-assemble, well done. But I have no idea how that supports your assertion. Maybe god prefers Timex?

You atheists need to stop the madness, the arrogance gone wild!

Careful, your anger is showing. A couple of smileys to open the post won't negate it.

 

[six7s]

In all fairness, it's true that many atheists are quite arrogant.

So? If you are intentionally implying that atheism is a/the causation of arrogance, please don't... cos its WRONG

 

[triadboy]

The most elemental definition of GOD is, in my opinion, an organizing intelligence of which everything consists.

To clarify your god belief - you DO NOT believe in the OT Yahweh, correct? You agree the OT/NT god is a complete idiot and that the bible would be an insult to a god - if He existed?
Additionally, you DO NOT believe that Jesus is the 'son of god'. Or that he performed miracles.

Can we agree on this?

 

[Ladewig]

The most elemental definition of GOD is, in my opinion, an organizing intelligence of which everything consists. Even the majority of the scientific community, involved with quantum, particle, or wave physics, believe that everything is apparently connected, unified, or one, right?

If, in fact, everything is one, then in addition to this omnipresence, this stuff, let's call it God, must also be omnipotent or all-powerful too, right?

No. God could be a one-trick pony that has the power to create universes but do nothing else. There is no reason to believe that a Creator must be omnipotent.

Now, as far as being all-knowing or omniscient, hell, that's a question of faith or speculation, right?

I'll agree with you here. The previous definition might get us as far as deism, but does not carry over to the type of personal God described in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam..

 

[The Drain]

In all fairness, it's true that many atheists are quite arrogant. But to claim that the creator of the universe is speaking especially to you, implanting special insights into your mind as how best to behave (and tell everyone else to behave), may bend or break the laws of nature on your behalf if you ask enough times, and will allow your ego to survive long after your physical body has disintegrated into dust?

Not even I am arrogant enough to make claims like that.

Ravdin, that's very well put! Especially the bit about the big bearded fellow bending or even breaking the laws of nature if you ask enough times.

That is something I will defintely remember next time I'm being harrassed by a biblical eejit - thank you!

 

[Tubbythin]

Or, what about the fact that the Earth has been traveling 18.51 miles per "second" on its orbital path around the Sun and doing it for hundreds, maybe millions of years, and makes one complete orbit every 365.2422 days?

Isn't that more durable and precise than any watch or clock man has ever made?

Erm, NO! For a start there is different types of years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year#Astronomical_years

and then there is atomic clocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clocks

Also, the Sun's orbital speed changes throughout the year in accordance with Kepler's 2nd law. And the Earth has been orbiting the Sun for billions of years.

 

[Tubbythin]

Common sense should tell you that the sophistication and complexity of any product demands an organizing intelligence capable of manufacturing it, right?

Well, no. But supposing the answer was yes common sense would also tell you that the organizing intelligence must be complex and therefore require an organizing intelligence. And the organizing intelligence that produced the organizing intelligence must also be complex and, therefore, require an organizing intelligence. And the organizing intelligence that produced...

 

[Tubbythin]

But, for anyone to believe that the millions of examples of life we see, like eagles and oak trees, both being far more sophisticated examples of engineering than anything humans have ever been able to manufacture, just happened to come together as the result of some random accident or luck is "totally insane".

Nobody is claiming eagles were created in one act of extreme randomness. Or oak trees for that matter.

 

[slingblade]

If the choice were between arrogance and ignorance, you bet I'd take arrogant, every time.

Those who would not...never needed to make the choice.

 

[Zarathustra]

Richard Feynman was reported to once have said :
"You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won't believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance that I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing!!"

I always liked that joke.
If you don't get it, I invite you to read more of his works.


But all told, at the end of the day, the Universe is simply a vastly enormous place.
So vast an enormous in fact, that our status here as organisms is fairly next to nothing in comparison.
To think otherwise is perhaps the ultimate arrogance.
What are our petty trifles when compared with a sun somewhere that goes Super nova, obliterating everthing for 50 lights years in circumference?
We are, simply put, a natural processes of this planet's activity, barely cognizant in terms of understanding, doubtfully self-aware in the true sense of the word, and gloriously autonomous in our function.

When you die, you're dead, and that's it.

We know this, primarily because of the billions upon billions of people whom have died in the past, none or them have come back to tell the tale of otherwise.

And if it turns out that this life is some sort of grand galactic hoax at my expense, well then God and I shall laugh about it over beers.

Unless he's a Jackass and a dull conversationalist, in which case he can just piss off, as I've no time for those sorts.

 

[rocketdodger]

lol

 

[ravdin]

So? If you are intentionally implying that atheism is a/the causation of arrogance, please don't... cos its WRONG

I can only guess from your comments that you stopped reading after the first sentence of my post, because it made you too irate to read the rest.

 

[six7s]

I can only guess from your comments that you stopped reading after the first sentence of my post, because it made you too irate to read the rest.

No... I did read the whole post... maybe (ok, obviously) I didn't understand... the immediately following bits read, to me, as a non-sequitur...

Anyhoo... I ain't afraid to admit my errors, esp when they're pointed out politely

So...

Sorry

 

[cannotthinkofaname]

Of course, atheists will say things like, "Well a F-22 Raptor is far more sophisticated than anything you can find in nature." But, of course, this is also erroneous because that F-22 can't have sex with another F-22 and produce a baby F-22, can it?

You atheists need to stop the madness, the arrogance gone wild!

Mate your just being arrogant yourself, oh and that bit about the F-22 being more sophisticated than anything capable of flight in nature look into the common house fly and how sophisticated their wings are, that come from nature and I once heard that engineers are are trying to duplicate it in some way.

Furthermore people like yourself make the rest of us who also believe in God look like twits mate if you want to be taken seriously try not to look down on people you know "do unto others as you others to do unto you" oh and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" understand what I mean here mate.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Of course the definition of God seems to NEVER be addressed by an atheist. The most elemental definition of GOD is, in my opinion, an organizing intelligence of which everything consists. Even the majority of the scientific community, involved with quantum, particle, or wave physics, believe that everything is apparently connected, unified, or one, right?

If, in fact, everything is one, then in addition to this omnipresence, this stuff, let's call it God, must also be omnipotent or all-powerful too, right? Now, as far as being all-knowing or omniscient, hell, that's a question of faith or speculation, right?

But, for anyone to believe that the millions of examples of life we see, like eagles and oak trees, both being far more sophisticated examples of engineering than anything humans have ever been able to manufacture, just happened to come together as the result of some random accident or luck is "totally insane".

Common sense should tell you that the sophistication and complexity of any product demands an organizing intelligence capable of manufacturing it, right?
The atheist argument that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION is the primary flaw in the philosophy, rendering it false.

. . .and if everything requires a sophisticated designer, why doesn't God?

Consider the snowflake, it is a highly organized and distinctly complex object made up of simple parts and all that forms it is the hydrogen bonding of water molecules and the process of freezing.

Any given object is improbable, yet the genius of the idea of natural selection is that not only is it capable of explaining the diversity of life, it's capable of making predictions which could be easily proven false, but never have. God gets away with wriggling out of any scientific scrutiny.

Unguided processes give rise to complexity all around you. I have in my kitchen a clear glass pepper mill. Inside it are a mix of uncrushed and wrinkly peppercorns, peppercorns broken into bits of various sizes, and some fine peppercorn dust. I am going to perform an experiment to see if a simple process can give rise to a complex arrangement in this system - I'm going to gently shake it for a minute. Try it yourself. As I shake the pepper mill, something quite amazing happens. All the mixed stuff inside the pepper mill sorts itself fairly neatly with the big things on top, and the smallest, finest dust on the bottom. If you placed all the stuff inside at random, you'd be extremely unlikely to see such a tidy assortment, but simple physics tells you that as you shake the system the smallest bits fall into the interstitial spaces between the largest pieces, and as you repeat the process over and over what would appear to be a highly improbable arrangement occurs through natural forces.

Of course, atheists will say things like, "Well a F-22 Raptor is far more sophisticated than anything you can find in nature." But, of course, this is also erroneous because that F-22 can't have sex with another F-22 and produce a baby F-22, can it?

Machines require an intelligent designer precisely because they don't reproduce. Living things, however, do. They reproduce without perfect fidelity, and live in various environment that work selectively on the traits that arise. The only difference between how an antibiotic resistant strain of infectious bacteria arises and how a finch arises is the time scale. There is no difference in the mechanism.

Or, what about the fact that the Earth has been traveling 18.51 miles per "second" on its orbital path around the Sun and doing it for hundreds, maybe millions of years, and makes one complete orbit every 365.2422 days?

What about it? The habitable zone around our star actually stretches almost all the way out to Mars, and the day's length is slowly increasing in duration, so there's hardly anything special about that.

 

[Frozenwolf150]

Common sense should tell you that the sophistication and complexity of any product demands an organizing intelligence capable of manufacturing it, right?
The atheist argument that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION is the primary flaw in the philosophy, rendering it false.

Okay, let's pretend for the sake of argument that the universe was designed. So what? Your God still doesn't exist.


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