Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[catbasket]

It is all coming together.

Nope. Your claim has not been accepted. You haven't even progressed that far.

From the evidence of your posts in this thread I don't believe you have any intention of being test by JREF. However I would be delighted if you proved me wrong.

You would literally be knocked out if I told you who has been helping me!

Now that sounds like a paranormal claim we could test!

I am so excited!

But why? Your claim has been rejected, and is highly likely to be rejected even if re-written by a professional writer -

I am asking you to, once more, please clarify how this test could ever be objective in any way. And if you are again unsuccessful, then I see no reason to leave your Challenge file open.

 

[steenkh]

I do not see why we should criticize the date chosen by TP. After all, it is his claim, and if he believes that it will work better for him on a particular date, why should we quarrel? By locking himself on this date he has only hurt his chances of getting a test done any time soon, and is his problem, not ours.

 

[The Professor]

All the Name Calling! Way off topic! I was told that the mods would soon allow this, but I did not believe it. I was wrong I guess.
I am entitled to my opinions. Even about Alison Michelle Smith or James Randi. I was also told I would not get to take the challenge, but here we are.

We are getting closer to the Million Dollar Challenge.
I have applied and sent everything needed to the JREF, gotten my media presence approved. I've gotten the academic portion out of the way. We have a Time and Place set. I am told an acceptable claim will be finished very soon. I feel we are making great headway.
Thanks for everyones help!

 

[RoboTimbo]

blah blah blah
I just don't want to get pushed into a corner that I don't belong in.
blah blah blah

Yes, the corner where trickery and stage magic are excluded. You seem to want to stay very, very far from that corner.

But, I'll ask you again....

The Professor, does Loss Leader's suggested claim and protocol not cover what you've apparently been trying to say? If not, where could it be improved?

 

[RemieV]

Going back to the Challenge again... if you have some kind of ability, really have it (not "I see the letter 's' and some water.") then please, stick it to the skeptics and apply and win.

The Challenge is totally worth your time. If you can set something on fire with the power of your mind, you're in! If you can read people's thoughts, they'd love to have you!

I guess I get to quote myself out of context as well. That's from the same article you were so kind to link, Mr. Koenig.

Thanks for visiting my site. I imagine that you've driven traffic up to at least four additional persons.

Heading off into the land of things that are none of anyone's business whatsoever.

I was brought in as an unpaid intern at the beginning of June, 2007, which is when that article was posted.

I founded SAPS in July, 2006. SAPS is my organization, not an extension of the JREF. What you have posted, Mr. Koenig, is the equivalent of posting an article on the Challenge from Skepticality, or Skepchick.

Here is another example.

At Dragon*Con, I participated in three events. The Skeptics vs. Believers Debate, the Million Dollar Challenge Demonstration, and On the Trail of Ghosts: SAPS Investigates.

If you actually paused to ask yourself (and I imagine you rarely do) which of those I participated in as an extension of the JREF, the answer would be "one of them" and it would be the Million Dollar Challenge Demonstration.

I suppose what I'm saying here is that my opinions are not the JREF's opinions, particularly when they are posted on my site and not the JREF's.

Now again, I do not mind that you are cruising the site. In fact, I appreciate it every time someone visits the site, and I am not unused to receiving angry e-mails regarding it. You can direct those to founder@skepticalanalysis.com.

However, I feel I should point out that instead of forming a testable claim (which has nothing, by the way, to do with your phrasing, but a lot to do with the utter lack of testability), you are searching for dirt on me that you cannot find - mostly because the JREF is not an entity within me sitting on my voicebox doing my talking for me.


~Remie

 

[petre]

Right now I am being told that hearing voices that can't be Scientifically Explained is NOT Paranormal[SNIP]

No, you originally stated that the sound would come from an unseen source, which is not paranormal (an echo is about the simplest case I can think of for a scientific explaination).

What you appear to be looking for is to have the JREF reply with a comprehensive list of all known ways sound could be made to originate from something that could not be the original source of a sound, and then provide you with an associated list of the means by which each of these methods could be eliminated. The JREF may be willing to compose such a list, but it may take some time to confer with volunteer experts. If this is your desire, you ought to make such a request immidiately (or perhaps RemieV could comment ahead of time how the JREF might respond to such a request).

You should understand, however, that such a request demonstrates a gross oversite in your application. Specifically, that you have not already taken such measures yourself in any of your previous trials (since you do not appear to be aware of very many of them currently). To assume that none of these measures will interfere with the demonstration before you have even tried them (or even been made aware of what they are!) seems naive at best, even if the source of the sounds really is paranormal. Maybe your paranormal entities will be unable to pass through a sound-proof barrier or a Faraday cage (you may want to tell them to show up early so they don't get locked out!).

In most protocols involving sounds (primarily responses to questions, identifying information, etc) it is possible to ask the claimant to repeat the answer if the tester believes there is any chance it might have been unclear (I've often wondered how they might respond if a claimant mumbled an uninteligable response to each question and refused to clarify claiming, "I've given my answer, I feel it was clear, and it's on tape for all to hear!" and then attempt to claim at the end that every response was correct). I do not know if it would be possible to ask entities to repeat their answers a few times, but if it is that fact opens up other options in protocol design.

I hesitate to even mention something that is not directly related to the most glaring problems with your current application, but you seem very interested in asking the former human identity of these entities. I'm curious how you might even be remotely convinced that a response of "Houdini" would not actually come from the departed spirit of Jesse James or the devil himself?

 

[Cuddles]

All the Name Calling! Way off topic! I was told that the mods would soon allow this, but I did not believe it.

You had several posts which were not approved because they were in breach of the rules, and you complained. Now you are complaining that we are approving posts which you claim breach the rules. Make up your mind.

I was also told I would not get to take the challenge, but here we are.

Yes, here we are.

Valid applications from David Koenig for the challenge - 0.
Attempts by David Koenig to make a valid claim - 0.
Attempts by David Koenig to design a valid protocol - 0.
Attention paid by David Koenig to comments by other posters and JREF staff - 0.
Chance of an actual test resulting from this nonsense - 0.

Here we are indeed.

We are getting closer to the Million Dollar Challenge.
I have applied and sent everything needed to the JREF

Please stop lying. You have been clearly told that you have not made a claim that the JREF will accept. Since being told this, you have done exactly nothing to rectify the situation. You have not sent everything needed to the JREF and you are not getting any closer to taking any challenge.

 

[chran]

All the Name Calling! Way off topic! I was told that the mods would soon allow this, but I did not believe it. I was wrong I guess.
I am entitled to my opinions. Even about Alison Michelle Smith or James Randi. I was also told I would not get to take the challenge, but here we are.

Where exactly are we? You're still required to come up with a testable claim.

And let me reiterate: The claim needs to specify why the voices are paranormal in nature - you will do this by elminating any natural explanation for the voices.

Don't forget to tell your writer this.

 

[Loss Leader]

I am told an acceptable claim will be finished very soon.

What? But you said that the claim was finished and would be emailed to the JREF today:

I think that the claim is ready to pass the JREF inspection. There are a few people who would like to peruse it before I email it in tomorrow but I am pretty happy with it as it looks now.

Which is it? Is it ready to pass JREF inspection or will it be finished very soon?

And are you talking about your bare claim or your entire protocol? Because a claim without a protocol is like a fish without a bicycle: Nobody knows how he got to the race and he can't win, anyway.

If you actually have any sort of protocol, I wish you would first post it in this thread so that people here might help you tighten it.

 

[Moochie]

Nearly 500 posts and not a whiff of anything approaching a doable protocol from Mr. K. If Mr. K is working on a protocol, he's clearly not sharing any details with us. I guess we'll have to wait and see if and when a protocol is submitted. RemieV will keep us apprised of any developments.

I'll believe it when I see it.


M.

 

[jimtron]

...Right now I am being told that hearing voices that can't be Scientifically Explained is NOT Paranormal...

How would we know if the voices in your demonstration are scientifically explainable or not? This is why we keep asking you to explain more about the paranormal entity, and more importantly, how you will show in a self-evident way that it is indeed paranormal and not explainable by science. Tell us, what is this paranormal entity whose voice will be heard and/or recorded? A ghost? Something else? Why do you keep avoiding the crux of the issue?

How do we know you won't be doing a ventriloquist act, or using a PA system, or cutting edge sound transmission technology? We don't know because you keep evading the most important questions.

You can keep on quibbling as long as you want, but if you're sincere about your paranormal challenge, why not do as you've been asked and follow the rules?

 

[The Professor]

I guess I get to quote myself out of context as well. That's from the same article you were so kind to link, Mr. Koenig.

Thanks for visiting my site. I imagine that you've driven traffic up to at least four additional persons.

Heading off into the land of things that are none of anyone's business whatsoever.

I was brought in as an unpaid intern at the beginning of June, 2007, which is when that article was posted.

I founded SAPS in July, 2006. SAPS is my organization, not an extension of the JREF. What you have posted, Mr. Koenig, is the equivalent of posting an article on the Challenge from Skepticality, or Skepchick.

Here is another example.

At Dragon*Con, I participated in three events. The Skeptics vs. Believers Debate, the Million Dollar Challenge Demonstration, and On the Trail of Ghosts: SAPS Investigates.

If you actually paused to ask yourself (and I imagine you rarely do) which of those I participated in as an extension of the JREF, the answer would be "one of them" and it would be the Million Dollar Challenge Demonstration.

I suppose what I'm saying here is that my opinions are not the JREF's opinions, particularly when they are posted on my site and not the JREF's.

Now again, I do not mind that you are cruising the site. In fact, I appreciate it every time someone visits the site, and I am not unused to receiving angry e-mails regarding it. You can direct those to founder@skepticalanalysis.com.

However, I feel I should point out that instead of forming a testable claim (which has nothing, by the way, to do with your phrasing, but a lot to do with the utter lack of testability), you are searching for dirt on me that you cannot find - mostly because the JREF is not an entity within me sitting on my voicebox doing my talking for me.


~Remie

Thank you for your condescending response
It proves my point. You have your opinion. Your Pre-disposition. It leads you to say things like "Friggin' Ridiculous" when talking people and their application claims for the Million Dollar Challenge.
With such biased and pre-conceived assumptions, how can you honestly be fair?
I believe in the Paranormal and that makes me a minority, especially on this forum.
You associate that minority with "Friggin' Ridiculous" and you have what people call discrimination.
It is becoming very apparent why you were selected to protect the Million Dollar Challenge Money.

 

[Azrael 5]

He's probably saving it for some appearance on a radio show no-one has heard of.Well at least people on Ghosthunter and Demon show lap up Koneig nonsense.The title of the show kind of tells you the presenters aren't really up on critical thinking.

Bythe way Professor,how many times have you tried now to Discredit RemieV? How many times has she ripped your pathetic attempts to pieces?
It's the equivalent of a wrestling Smackdown.

Hey Dave,is this what you are going to use on Halloween for the attempt?
http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=7037

Or this: http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=93 ?

 

[Piggy]

All the Name Calling! Way off topic! I was told that the mods would soon allow this, but I did not believe it. I was wrong I guess.
I am entitled to my opinions. Even about Alison Michelle Smith or James Randi. I was also told I would not get to take the challenge, but here we are.

We are getting closer to the Million Dollar Challenge.
I have applied and sent everything needed to the JREF, gotten my media presence approved. I've gotten the academic portion out of the way. We have a Time and Place set. I am told an acceptable claim will be finished very soon. I feel we are making great headway.
Thanks for everyones help!

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

If you misrepresent other people's statements, you can expect to have that pointed out. That's not "name calling".

And no, we are not one inch closer to the challenge. So far, it's all been promises, but no substance whatsoever. You'll be closer when you actually submit a testable paranormal claim and start developing a workable protocol. But not until then.

So far, all we have is a description of a magic trick and a bunch of talk, which is what we had on day one.

 

[Marcus]

Perhaps TP will suprise us all and submit a testable claim. Far more likely would be more af the same, trying to get JREF to attend his performance. Or, as has been sugested, simply angling for a rejection, my money's on this one after seeing his treatment of RemieV. In any event, no way there is enough time left to negotiate a protocol, evidently TP didn't see the need to read any challenge applications, and doesn't have a clue as to how they procede.

 

[chran]

Thank you for your condescending response
It proves my point. You have your opinion. Your Pre-disposition. It leads you to say things like "Friggin' Ridiculous" when talking people and their application claims for the Million Dollar Challenge.
With such biased and pre-conceived assumptions, how can you honestly be fair?
I believe in the Paranormal and that makes me a minority, especially on this forum.
You associate that minority with "Friggin' Ridiculous" and you have what people call discrimination.
It is becoming very apparent why you were selected to protect the Million Dollar Challenge Money.

I'm glad you finally found a way to claim the challenge is biased against you when you either refuse to take it, or fail the prelimenary challenge

 

[Azrael 5]

Thank you for your condescending response
It proves my point. You have your opinion. Your Pre-disposition. It leads you to say things like "Friggin' Ridiculous" when talking people and their application claims for the Million Dollar Challenge.
With such biased and pre-conceived assumptions, how can you honestly be fair?
I believe in the Paranormal and that makes me a minority, especially on this forum.
You associate that minority with "Friggin' Ridiculous" and you have what people call discrimination.
It is becoming very apparent why you were selected to protect the Million Dollar Challenge Money.

Professor you are leading yourself up a blind alley.No-one is protecting anything,She doesn't have a say in who passes the test! There are 16 challenge rules,stick to them your application goes ahead,its simple.But sadly for you ,it's a concept you cannot grasp.
Why don't you make Alison eat her words big guy? Come on you show her.How dare she have an opinion!! Step right up this minute and get that claim sorted! Pass the test and walk away with a million big ones!

 

[Czarcasm]

Thank you for your condescending response
It proves my point. You have your opinion. Your Pre-disposition. It leads you to say things like "Friggin' Ridiculous" when talking people and their application claims for the Million Dollar Challenge.
With such biased and pre-conceived assumptions, how can you honestly be fair?
I believe in the Paranormal and that makes me a minority, especially on this forum.
You associate that minority with "Friggin' Ridiculous" and you have what people call discrimination.
It is becoming very apparent why you were selected to protect the Million Dollar Challenge Money.

Please stop with these transparent attempts to get kicked off the MDC for PR purposes, and submit a valid protocol.
Thank you.

 

[Piggy]

I believe in the Paranormal

I doubt that. I see no evidence that you do. You appear to be using "the paranormal" as a prop for your various public acts.

 

[jimtron]

It proves my point. You have your opinion. Your Pre-disposition. It leads you to say things like "Friggin' Ridiculous" when talking people and their application claims for the Million Dollar Challenge.
With such biased and pre-conceived assumptions, how can you honestly be fair?

Dave, we all have opinions, and we're all biased.

No one will be judging your demonstration--a successful test will be self-evident.

Dave, it appears that you are biased against Randi. Some of us may be biased against you. It doesn't matter, because the protocol must be agreed upon by both parties, and the test may not be something that requires judging (which would be a problem because of bias).

So go ahead and tell us about your paranormal entity and how it's testable.