"Most 9/11 familes support the Truth Movement!"

[CHF]

Can anyone tell me where on earth did this absurd claim comes from?

If there's one group of people who would be vocal and active in the TM it would be the folks who actually lost loved ones in the "false flag" attack.

So where are they?

I watched the GZ memorial on TV last Thursday and I didn't see a single family member in a creepy black t-shirt.

 

[Drudgewire]

So where are they?

They were herded to the same secret NWO island as the real passengers of flight 93 and the 35% of the United States who believed 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[MarkyX]

9/11 deniers believe since the Jersey Girls did 9/11 Press for Truth (four women), all of a sudden the majority of the family members support them.

 

[Brainster]

This, like many claims, appears to originate with Alex Jones. He says that Bill Doyle, the head of the largest family group, says that most of his members believe in the inside job "theory". I suspect that what he really means is of his active members a majority are conspiracy theorists, because those who are not have gotten on with their lives.

 

[CHF]

Didn't Bill Doyle try to get family members to sign a "new investigaton" petition and only ended up with a handful of signatures?

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

Well, Jihad Jane posted this in the thread about combatting "numpties"

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123562

As others point out, 48 people from a (guesstimate) minimum of 6,000 family members works out to 0.8% - this is defined as "many" by JJ. From "many" to "most" is only a lexicographical hop, skip and jump for the Truthers. Then again, mathematics is clearly not their strong suit.

Alternatively, you may use the "Implied Opt-In" that Truthers use. Which is, because the overwhelming majority of family members don't explicitly come out and reject the Truther creed, they automatically support it.

 

[eromitlab]

This, like many claims, appears to originate with Alex Jones. He says that Bill Doyle, the head of the largest family group, says that most of his members believe in the inside job "theory". I suspect that what he really means is of his active members a majority are conspiracy theorists, because those who are not have gotten on with their lives.

It's a double stretching of the truth. Bill Doyle is on the board of the Coalition of 9/11 Families. At least Wikipedia says so... the Coalition of 9/11 Families no longer has a website. Doyle goes on Alex Jones and estimates that half of the families he represents believe teh gubmint did it!!11!! Of course, Alex then twists this estimation of Doyle's group, even though this estimation is only that and was said by a person who believes inside job and happens to be in a position where he can say something beneficial to the movement, and makes it half of the families believe inside job. But AJ never gets anything wrong, of course.

 

[T.A.M.]

Not to mention, most families, when approached by a kindred spirit, will likely pacify him/her so as to not offend them.

TAM

 

[JihadJane]

Porky pies and t-shirts

I watched the GZ memorial on TV last Thursday and I didn't see a single family member in a creepy black t-shirt.

So what? Very few people are into wearing creepy black t-shirts. In fact black altogether is a bit last week.

Well, Jihad Jane posted this in the thread about combatting "numpties"

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123562

As others point out, 48 people from a (guesstimate) minimum of 6,000 family members works out to 0.8% - this is defined as "many" by JJ. From "many" to "most" is only a lexicographical hop, skip and jump for the Truthers. Then again, mathematics is clearly not their strong suit.

Yes, some people did get very overexcited by/with their calculators! Personally, I thought the larger guesstimate was possibly more accurate.

I never claimed what Comsat Angel claims I claim. I did not define 0.8% as "many".

Comsat Angel, you are hanging onto a cliff by your fingernails and slipping. Nowhere did I say or imply that these 48 people represented either a complete list of all skeptical family members or the entirety of my much hurled "Many"?

The calculation presented above is therefore irrelevant to my posts.

The common, crude Appeal to Emotion that Bananaman uses on the numpty thread ("pissing on the graves of those who died") is structurally flawed - it will always catch some of the very people Bananaman claims to speak for. Bananaman will inevitably find him/herself fantasy spitting, punching, whacking, smashing and bashing the heads of many 911 victims and their families along with the intended "truther" targets.

...

Many posters on that thread preferred to bury their heads in irrelevant percentages rather admit this messy contradiction to their world of pure absolutes.

BTW, Comsat Angel, I like the way you turn my "many" into a "most" and then blame it on lexicographically loopy Truthers. Cheeky!

 

[SDC]

Okay, Jihad Jane, please prove that most families support the Trutherians. Your turn. Go to it. Mmmhmmm. Waiting...

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

"BTW, Comsat Angel, I like the way you turn my "many" into a "most" and then blame it on lexicographically loopy Truthers. Cheeky! "

Ahhh, what the heck - you have a sense of humour and think a big fat middle-aged man is "cheeky"! You can't *really* be a Truther.

<Goes off to check his chicken soup>

 

[johnny karate]

Yes, some people did get very overexcited by/with their calculators! Personally, I thought the larger guesstimate was possibly more accurate.

I never claimed what Comsat Angel claims I claim. I did not define 0.8% as "many".

Comsat Angel, you are hanging onto a cliff by your fingernails and slipping. Nowhere did I say or imply that these 48 people represented either a complete list of all skeptical family members or the entirety of my much hurled "Many"?

The calculation presented above is therefore irrelevant to my posts.

And I thought you had tucked tail and run in typical Truther fashion, but here you are in another thread defending your lie by trying to pretend it isn't a lie.

To recap, you said:

Many family members of 911 victims are skeptical of the government's account.

and so far failed to provide evidence to substantiate this claim, nor have you retracted it.

Therefore, your claim is a lie.

 

[JihadJane]

Assume nothing

OP:

Can anyone tell me where on earth did this absurd claim comes from?

From inside your own head?

Okay, Jihad Jane, please prove that most families support the Trutherians. Your turn. Go to it. Mmmhmmm. Waiting...

Why are you asking me to prove this imaginary claim, SDC?

Even the somewhat slapdash Alex Jones hasn't, as far as I know, claimed "that most families support the Trutherians" (assuming I have interpreted your refreshingly original (?) interplanetary terminology correctly). I certainly haven't. The OP is yet another example of how debunkers casually and unselfconsciously distort reality to make it closer to what they fervently need to believe it to be.

Somewhat like cat and dog owners who convince themselves that their pets understand everyday English bedunkers have a wondrous ability to fabricate what they want their online Truther pets to say and then convince themselves that their pets really did say it. It makes for a much cosier, less lonely, more reassuring world.

Comsat Angel performed a dazzling lexicographical somersault and you seem to have been taken in by it.

Ahhh, what the heck - you have a sense of humour and think a big fat middle-aged man is "cheeky"!

It may be unscientific and based only on personal experience or even prejudice, but I'd wager that many "big fat middle-aged" men (and women) are cheekier than most.

And I thought you had tucked tail ....Therefore, your claim is a lie.

You, too, johnny karate, appear to be confusing "truthers" with dogs. One should never accept one's thoughts and perceptions uncritically.

Calling someone a "liar", despite the lovely warm dizzy feeling it evokes, is a serious charge and traditionally requires backing up. Please substantiate your charge beyond simply repeating my innocuous and mutable "many".

How do you know how many 911 family members do or don't support the "Truth Movement"?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I never claimed what Comsat Angel claims I claim. I did not define 0.8% as "many".

Many family members of 911 victims are skeptical of the government's account. Perhaps you better inform them to their faces that they are pissing on their loved ones' graves.

Here is a list of 48 9/11 family members who signed a statement demanding a deeper investigation into the events of 911.....

Joanne Barbara, wife of FDNY Asst. Chief of Dept. Gerard Barbara
Gayle Barker, sister of William A. Karnes, WTC
Michele Bergsohn, wife of Alvin Bergsohn, Cantor Fitzgerald
Derrill Bodley, father of Deora Bodley, passenger on Flight 93
Kathryn C. Bowden, sister of Thomas H. Bowden, Jr. WTC1, 104th floor
Janet Calia, wife of Dominick Calia, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC1
Maggie Cashman, wife of William Joseph Cashman, United Flight 93
Lynne Castrianno Galante, sister of Leonard Castrianno, 1WTC, 105th floor
Elza Chapa-McGowan, daughter of Rosemary Chapa, Pentagon
Bruce De Cell, father-in-law of Mark Petrocelli North Tower, 92nd floor
Ralph D'Esposito, father of Michael D'Esposito, WTC, 96th floor
Loisanne Diehl, Surviving Spouse, Michael D. Diehl, WTC2, 90th floor
Adina D. Eisenberg, sister of Eric Eisenberg, WTC
Jonathan M. Fisher, son of Dr. Gerald Paul "Geep" Fisher, Pentagon
Michael J. Fox, brother of Jeffrey L. Fox, Tower 2, 89th floor
Laurel A. Gay, sister of Peter A. Gay, AA Flight 11
Irene Golinsky, wife of Col. Ronald F. Golinski USA RET, Pentagon
Lori, Jerry, and Beatrice Guadagno, sister and parents of Richard Guadagno, Flight 93
Kristen Hall, daughter of fallen firefighter Thomas Kuveikis 9/11
Kurt D. Horning, father of Matthew D. Horning, WTC Tower One, 95th floor
Jennifer W. Hunt, wife of William C. Hunt, Euro Brokers
John Keating, son of Barbara Keating, passenger on AA Flight 11
L. Russell Keene II, father of Russ Keene III, WTC2, 89th floor, KBW
Peter Kousoulis, sister died in WTC
Paul & Barbara Kirwin, parents of Glenn Davis Kirwin, Cantor Fitzgerald 105th floor
Barbara Krukowski-Rastelli, mother of William E. Krukowski, NYC firefighter
Laura and Ira Lassman, parents of Nicholas C. Lassman, died in WTC, Tower One
Johnny Lee, husband of Lorraine Greene
Alicia LeGuillow, mother of Nestor A. Cintron III
Francine Levine, sister of Adam K. Ruhalter, who died on 9/11
Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, WTC, Merrill Lynch
Mary McWilliams, mother of FF Martin E. McWilliams- Engine 22
Daryl J. Meehan, brother of Colleen Ann Barkow, WTC 1, 105th floor
Elvira P. Murphy, wife of Patrick Murphy, WTC 1
Natalee Pecorelli, sister of Thomas Pecorelli of Flight 11
James L Perry, M.D and Patricia J. Perry, parents of John W. Perry, Esq., NYPD Officer 9/11
David Potorti, brother of James Potorti, North Tower, WTC, Marsh & McLennan
Terry Kay Rockefeller, sister of Laura Rockefeller, North Tower, WTC
Grissel Rodriguez-Valentin, wife of Benito Valentin, WTC1, 94th floor
Alissa Rosenberg-Torres, widow of Luis Eduardo Torres, post-9/11 mother, writer
Elaine Saber, mother of Scott Saber
Julie Scarpitta, mother of Michelle Scarpitta, WTC Building 2, 84th floor
Paula Shapiro, mother of Eric Eisenberg, WTC2
Elizabeth Turner, wife of Simon Turner, lost on 11th September 2001
Adele Welty, mother of Firefighter Timothy Welty, FDNY, Squad 288
Joan W. Winton, mother of David Winton, WTC, South Tower, 89th floor
David Yancey, husband of Vicki Yancey, American Airlines Flight 77
Nissa Youngren, daughter of Robert G. LeBlanc, flight 175

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

Umm....if you don't define these 48 as many, why did you explicitly state many, and then only provide these?

 

[T.A.M.]

I would actually call 48 out of 5-7 thousand, a "very small fraction" of family members.

So to recap, with more accurate terminology...

"A small fraction of the 9/11 victim family members believe a deeper investigation into 9/11 is needed."

TAM

 

[CHF]

Even the somewhat slapdash Alex Jones hasn't, as far as I know, claimed "that most families support the Trutherians"

Really? You've never heard a twoofer say that "most 9/11 family members support the TM?"

Then you just haven't been paying attention to your own movement.

 

[CHF]

9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine talks at 4:20 about how he's lost a lot of friends due to his twoofism.

Doesn't seem like he has much support from other 9/11 families.

 

[johnny karate]

Calling someone a "liar", despite the lovely warm dizzy feeling it evokes, is a serious charge and traditionally requires backing up. Please substantiate your charge beyond simply repeating my innocuous and mutable "many".

I've done so. Repeatedly. Feel free to look at my previous post in this thread for one example.

How do you know how many 911 family members do or don't support the "Truth Movement"?

I'm not the one claiming to know what these people think. You are. Your pathetic attempts to shift focus and burden don't change the fact that you lied.

 

[ComsatAngel2017]

"Comsat Angel performed a dazzling lexicographical somersault and you seem to have been taken in by it."

(Blushes) Aww, that's nothing. You should read my fan-fiction.

 

[Thunder]

if this was true...they would have all worn truther t-shirts on 9-11 at GZ.

deluding themselves seems to be a very common truther habit.