Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

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1. Will these experts be used to design the test, or interpret the results of the test?
2. Will experts that do not already believe in the existance of voices from the afterlife that can affect electronic devices be acceptable to you?
 
Well, now we know where the applicant wants the test held.

I'm looking forward to an answer regarding what the paranormal power or event is, and how exactly it will be demonstrated.
 
I... confess to having my doubts about this experiment, the confusing reports from both sides are producing a lot of white noise, making it difficult to ascertain what's really going on.

Mr. Koenig, I fear this talk of "experts" will do your claim more harm than good. You must surely be aware that these experts whom you intend to produce must have their credentials analyzed and approved by the JREF before you can consider having them present, and I must warn you that there are no degrees offered in paranormal events from accredited universities that I'm aware of.

I want to be sure, for my own peace of mind, that you're aware of one thing, and if you take nothing else from me make it this - they are not going to be nice about one million dollars. They will happily work with you to design a mutually-acceptable protocol, but they will not freely accede to nonessential demands.

As you say you are willing to discuss the protocol and I trust your word, I would strongly suggest you completely abandon discussions of the protocol here and confine yourself to discussing it with RemieV, as it's her opinion that ultimately matters. Leave it to her to post records of your correspondence if she chooses, if you want this to occur I would suggest politely asking her to do so. Be aware, however, that once you allow her to post correspondence publicly and she does so, it becomes public knowledge.

~ MattC
 
The Professor said:
Thanks for all of your comments :)
And ....If you think I am going to sit on the Devils Chair in the Lake Helen Cemetery at Midnight and do a Sponge Bunny routine, don't you think Randi would catch on? PLEEZE!
I will post the entire procedure in detail. I will ignore those with Bad Attitudes from the Get Go. This needs to be Fair all the way around. This is supposed to be about the upcoming test, correct? Randi has stated numerous times that this process will not be difficult.
Firstly .. THE PLACE
The place is the Cemetery at Lake Helen Florida. It is actually closer to the city of Cassadaga and many people refer to it as theirs. It isn't, even though many of their former residents are buried there. The particular grave site is referred to as The Devil's Chair. It is a brick chair designed to be between two graves, placed there for meditation and other purposes. There are three similar chairs in total. This is the one on the uppermost part of the hill. The chair is at least 300 yards from the nearest residence just off hand. It is towards the center of the cemetery. There seem to be no other buildings in the immediate area. (I haven't searched the woods on the far side)
The Chair is not hidden in any way. It is in plain view from all angles.
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The City of Cassadaga appears to have taken an active role in determining policy with respect to the Devil's Chair (stopping vandals on Halloween, setting up tours, etc). If this location is to be used, it would seem wise to at least have an open line of contact with the city even as you start to negotiate the protocol (the JREF will likely suggest the same if it has not already).

From their recent treatment of the site, I don't expect they will have a problem with allowing the test there (a bit of free publicity rarely hurts a city) so long as nothing in the protocol is likely to damage the site.

It would also seem likely the JREF will be able to find a representative in the area to observe and record the test. I see little more that would need to be discussed about the location and would be contented to examine further details of your proposal (I am especially encouraged by your declaration of a self-evident protocol forthcoming).
 
The Professor said:
Many experts will be used to assure the test is fair and accurate. The outcome will be self-evident.
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Thanks for posting here again, The Professor. Could you explain to us how exactly the results will be self-evident? A judgement call by a group of experts obviously won't qualify.

Your responses to date have been very vague. That is not a slam, I'm just saying that answering the questions psople are asking you would be to your benefit.
 
MattC said:
I would strongly suggest you completely abandon discussions of the protocol here and confine yourself to discussing it with RemieV, as it's her opinion that ultimately matters.
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I disagree. If someone is making an honest effort to get it right, a forum discussion can be a good way of avoiding errors and saving lots of time and aggravation later on.
 
I contacted the Lake Helen Police Department before I even applied. The Lake Helen Cemetery is a public place and open to me from 7AM to 7 PM. It is legal for us to be there during those times. I will have to ask special permission to be there at Midnight and the chances are very good I will be denied that, but I am willing to adapt and adjust to another time if I have to.
So are there any problems remaining about The Place?
Thanks for the help.
Dave
If not, I will submit it to RemieV.
 
The experts will help solve many problems. They will be allowed to assemble/build the scanners and recording devices used in order to remove any idea that "I" might gimmick the recorders or ITC equipment myself. This seems fair as both believers and non-believers (If that's what we can call them) can be used as it makes little difference since they will be able to check each others work. Many methods and designs for construction of these devices have been on line for quite a while.
 
For the purpose of finding EVP experts that both sides find acceptable, are there any out there that do not already believe that said voices come from beyond the grave?
 
Czarcasm said:
For the purpose of finding EVP experts that both sides find acceptable, are there any out there that do not already believe that said voices come from beyond the grave?
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I'm confused.How can there be experts for an unproven phenomenon?
 
I think any discussion of any "experts" or any setup is premature at this point since we still have not heard an explanation of exactly what the paranormal ability or event is supposed to be, nor exactly how it is proposed that this paranormal ability or event will be shown to exist.

Given that, it makes no sense to jump forward to a discussion of what equipment will be used and who will set it up.

Please, let's take these points in logical order, because nothing can be decided about the setup before anything is known about what the equipment is supposed to be involved in doing.
 
This is not a protocol discussion, this is a performance. I second the recommendation that The Professor immediately suspend discussion here, and communicate only with Remie until such time as he submits a claim that is actually testable under the challenge rules. To date, he has not done so. Protocol discussions are worthless when Mr. Koenig has yet to actually adequately describe his claim to the JREF.
 
You seem to be avoiding almost all questions asked of you. One could infer from the small amount of information in your last post that you will be relying on a subjective interpetation of instrument readings, in which case it is unlikely to fly. Perhaps this is the same protocol which JREF has already deemed too subjective to test. A good use of this forum would be to develop a protocol which might be more acceptable to JREF.
 
The Professor said:
I contacted the Lake Helen Police Department before I even applied. The Lake Helen Cemetery is a public place and open to me from 7AM to 7 PM. It is legal for us to be there during those times. I will have to ask special permission to be there at Midnight and the chances are very good I will be denied that, but I am willing to adapt and adjust to another time if I have to.
So are there any problems remaining about The Place?
Thanks for the help.
Dave
If not, I will submit it to RemieV.
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.1. They might see a difference in being at the cemetary during public hours, and holding an event involving people and possibly recording equipment during public hours. Can we assume that you discussed what exactly you planned to be doing with the lake helen Police Department?
2. Could you provide links to the scanners and ITC equipment you propose to use? This could clear up any misunderstanding on our part.
 
Piggy said:
I think any discussion of any "experts" or any setup is premature at this point since we still have not heard an explanation of exactly what the paranormal ability or event is supposed to be, nor exactly how it is proposed that this paranormal ability or event will be shown to exist.

Given that, it makes no sense to jump forward to a discussion of what equipment will be used and who will set it up.

Please, let's take these points in logical order, because nothing can be decided about the setup before anything is known about what the equipment is supposed to be involved in doing.
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I'd love to, but that is only possible if The Professor Tells us upfront what he proposes to do. We can only react to what little information he doles out-wild speculation on what he might propose is totally useless.
 
Czarcasm said:
I'd love to, but that is only possible if The Professor Tells us upfront what he proposes to do. We can only react to what little information he doles out-wild speculation on what he might propose is totally useless.
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Agreed. I'm not asking us to speculate. I'm asking The Professor to tell us what the event/ability is and how he proposes that it can be demonstrated before jumping the gun and trying to discuss equipment and experts.

First, he has to tell us what the paranormal ability or event is.

Then he has to explain how it can be demonstrated.

Only then should he start discussing any specifics regarding equipment and such.

So far, he's only said where the event might take place, which is really nothing at all.
 
For those of you who have not read it here is the Official Statement mailed to the JREF several weeks ago via certified mail. They received it by the Monday after it was mailed before 1:49 PM. Verified by the US Postal Service.

I. I. David Koenig. will contact a Paranormal Entity and communicate with it in an intelligent and
understandable manner. Reasonable questions will be asked and answered. This communication
will be recorded with Instrumental TransCommunication and Electronic Voice Phenomenon
(ITC and EVP) methods. Conventional video recording will also be used to verify contact in
addition to Still Photography. Other scientific devices will also be used to determine and verify
any unusual presences at the location.
II. This Demonstration will take Place 10/31/2008 at Lake Helen Florida. I will make contact on
that date as a preliminary test and then again on 10/31/2009 to complete the Million Dollar
Challenge , unless the JREF would like to forgo the preliminary test and go straight to the
Challenge on 10/31/2008. I would prefer to go straight to the Million Dollar Challenge and not
waste any time.


As you know I won't chase rabbits here. I have a gig just like most of you and my time is also at a premium. Perhaps you didn't read this before so I will post it again. I don't want to make a habit of going over materials that has already been provided. If you compare this to what is posted on the JREF by Alison Smith you will see a big difference. I am trying to see what we can agree upon right away and work on the other issues promptly as we proceed.
I am avoiding no pertinent questions. I am trying to hammer down the WHEN, and WHERE issues first since we are so close to agreement on those two.
I do want to clarify the WHAT as it seems the JREF wants me to eliminate the use of ITC, which I find as the cutting edge in Paranormal research today. I also do not want to be limited to "GHOST" or pushed in that direction, since the JREF doesn't believe in anything like that. I don't understand why the changes in the words I've used on my claim were made.
I am trying to find out.
Thanks for all of your help!
Dave
 
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