evidence against flight 93 shoot down

twinstead said:
It appears I am terrible at searching this forum--my apologies. That said, my new neighbor insists flight 93 was shot down over Shanksville. From what I can tell, the eye witness and other evidence is actually contrary to a shoot down, but hell, maybe I'm missing something.

Can anybody point me to some information concerning any evidence of a 'shoot down'?
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Didnt Dom/TC publish a peer reviewed paper citing evidence of a shoot down?
:D
 
1337m4n said:
RedIbis, I'm confused. In one thread you're saying that there was no plane at Shanksville...now you're saying it was shot down?

Was there a plane at Shanksville or not? The least you could do is be consistent.
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That's OK, RedIbis is confused also. But don't expect him to actually think about what you said and reply in an intellectually honest fashion. RedIbis just doesn't roll that way.
 
Bobert said:
Didnt Dom/TC publish a peer reviewed paper citing evidence of a shoot down?
:D
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TC's latest claim is that the passengers did indeed force down United 93, which was supposed to hit WTC 7.

At least that's what I gather from his youtube page. But of course, truthers change their claims as often as they defecate... and it's not much different actually.
 
1337m4n said:
RedIbis, I'm confused. In one thread you're saying that there was no plane at Shanksville...now you're saying it was shot down?

Was there a plane at Shanksville or not? The least you could do is be consistent.
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I said there was no plane in the ditch.
 
RedIbis said:
I said there was no plane in the ditch.
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There are parts of 93 and passengers in the ditch! It is exactly what a high speed impact looks like, and you can't refute that with evidence. All you have is hearsay, false information, and lies.
 
beachnut said:
There are parts of 93 and passengers in the ditch! It is exactly what a high speed impact looks like, and you can't refute that with evidence. All you have is hearsay, false information, and lies.
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I can refute it with photographs which has been done many times before. What you need to do is show me a photograph of these bodies in the ditch. The only part in the ditch was released four years after the fact and it looks like someone just rolled onto a backhoe bucket. Some evidence.
 
RedIbis said:
How about the 1000lb engine section that was found over a mile away? Was that blown over in the wind?
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The story from 2002 was corrected at a later date, Red:

Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling...
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Source: http://911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html, itself taken from http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=7#roving.

The bottom line is that the story you linked is inaccurate regarding the "2000 yards" (approx. 1.1 miles) claim. The Independent's author says the source is Wally Miller, the county coroner, but I'm at a loss as to
  1. Why he'd be the confirming source, given that his responsibilities were centered on the human remains and not the aircraft debris and
  2. Why Miller's statement would overrule the statement (above) made at a later date by Jeff Reinbold. Miller may have indeed said it, but I'm more willing to accept a direct quote from an individual than an alleged confirmation of a single point in a paragraph where many were discussed, as well as accept a direct quote from someone who's job it is to know details like that as opposed to an alleged confirmation from someone who's duties didn't involve the debris to begin with.
If anyone can clarify Miller's stance on this, I'd welcome the information. I'm not trying to say that he's providing wrong information; rather, I'm skeptical about the accuracy of John Carlin's claim that Miller truly confirmed that as one of the laundry list of things Carlin attributes to being confirmed by him.
 
RedIbis said:
I can refute it with photographs which has been done many times before. What you need to do is show me a photograph of these bodies in the ditch. The only part in the ditch was released four years after the fact and it looks like someone just rolled onto a backhoe bucket. Some evidence.
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Why so you can claim that those photos are fake?
 
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RedIbis said:
I haven't a clue, but I do know that it's not in that ditch.
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Maybe that's because in the other thread you cowardly flew away as soon as the evidence was presented which destroys your pathetic sick fantasy? Remember these RedIbis? Will you run away again, or will you man up and address the evidence? Of course, we all know what you will do, don't we?

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Prediction: RedIbis will completely ignore this post.
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Bobert said:
Really?
You dont have a clue yet you do know what is not in the ditch?
The games you truthers play.
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What is so hard to understand? If the claim is that Flight 93 crashed in that ditch, it shouldn't be so hard to prove it. I'm not much interested in other theories.
 
WildCat said:
Maybe that's because in the other thread you cowardly flew away as soon as the evidence was presented which destroys your pathetic sick fantasy? Remember these RedIbis? Will you run away again, or will you man up and address the evidence? Of course, we all know what you will do, don't we?
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Don't bet on it. I am well familiar with the Mossaui trial photos (presented four years after the fact) and the half filled container of scrap.

Is this the 95% of the plane that was supposedly recovered? In all due respect, it's a joke to believe that is nearly 100 tons of Flight 93.
 
WildCat said:
No kidding! Nor any shred of intellectual honesty either.
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Funny how you snipped my sentence to a few words and then whine about intellectual honesty.

I'm going to pay particular attention to your posts and pick apart your shallow logic, just for the sport of it.
 
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