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the latest pile of dog

Magyar

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feces from a theist. While sometimes I can be a bit hyperbolic it is rare that I actually want to cause harm to another. But today I truly feel like causing this piece of **** serious bodily harm.


On NPR this morning was a guy who wrote a book to his children explaining to them the reasons why god allows bad things like the murder of children to happen.

The book titled "the shack" written by William P. Young

It is thus titled because a little girl is kidnapped raped, tortured and then murdered in a small shack in the woods. Some time after the crime is discovered her father goes to the shack where upon entering he discovers that god, jesus and the holy ghost have created a wonderful garden - sort of a weekend getaway for the trinity - at this site
Ain't that just dandy?

Jebbus explains to the father that HE was with the little girl while she was being brutalized but just didn't want to intervene because you see the reason that bad things like this happen is because are you ready - direct quote

God has SO much RESPECT for his creation that he will allow men to do these kinds of destructive things to show us his love!

The unbelievably perverted and psycho logic of explaining that
child rapers, and murders are respected by god - and there isn't really anything new here if you've read the buybull - isn't what really turned my stomach though.

It was the blatant and complete disregard for the victims of these types of crimes who according to the author god apparently cares for NOT at ALL and are nothing more than incidental fodder for gods creations whom he respects!


Now, such "fiction" isn't new either, but this book is being pushed as an inspirational book to show jeebus's and gods love for us.

Apparently the book is on the best sellers list, which just gives me another reason why I generally despise my species.
 
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If it was the author's intent to explore challenging topics, then he wouldn't have handwaved the issue by pretending to already know the answer. From a Christian point of view, don't you think it's a little presumptuous of him to be dictating what God thinks and why? From a secular point of view, what kind of horrific crimes could not be justified in the manner that he tried to explain this one away? What about the rights of the victim or the life of free choices she was deprived of? One could just as easily claim that God didn't "allow" the girl to escape, in order to prove how much he DESPISES his creation.

Also, I'd keep that author as far away from children as possible.
 
Respected by God? You are right. It definitely is a pile of unadulterated smoldering festering maggot-crawling pile of steaming, rancid, stinking horse ****.
 
Don't hold back and keep it all bottled up inside!
Say what you really feel.
 
Silentknight said:
If it was the author's intent to explore challenging topics, then he wouldn't have handwaved the issue by pretending to already know the answer.
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?? It seems like it's a story about a guy who's daughters is murdered and his dealing of it and the questions it brings. Never read the book (and don't intend to) so have no idea if the author handwaves the issue.

From a Christian point of view, don't you think it's a little presumptuous of him to be dictating what God thinks and why?
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Not anymore presumptuous then someone saying that's NOT how God would think and why. (In other words - most everyone has an opinion on what God would or wouldn't do and why).

From a secular point of view, what kind of horrific crimes could not be justified in the manner that he tried to explain this one away?
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I don't have enough information on where in the book the author is justifying any crimes. Not sure how a religious argument for a crime would be secular either.
 
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By the way - reading some of the reviews of the book it appears many Christians don't like that book because it makes God too accepting of all humans. <shrugs> Go figure.
 
Brian-M said:
How do tell the difference between true and false accusations against god?
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Familiarity with that particular God's personality. If you told me that Zeus was vehemently against rape and adultery I would reply that he is depicted as raping human women while he was married. So that would be false in reference to Zeus.

Or if you told me that that Mars or the Aztec gods were peace loving I'd have to consider that statement false.

In the same manner, if I am told that the biblical God respects rapists-I would have to say that is false because of my familiarity with how the biblical God is described.
 
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Radrook said:
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In the same manner, if I am told that the biblical God respects rapists-I would have to say that is false because of my familiarity with how the biblical God is described.
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Let's see. Your imaginary God has no respect for rapists. I can see that.

Then what, God blames the rapist for the horrendous affliction visited upon an innocent child? Or are you one of those apologists that just says there must be a reason for it which we are too feeble minded to understand?
 
Radrook said:
In the same manner, if I am told that the biblical God respects rapists-I would have to say that is false because of my familiarity with how the biblical God is described.
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Is this the same Bible we're talking about? You know, the ones with rules for how long you can keep slaves, when you should sacrifice your children, and that if you're going to rape a woman you have to marry her afterwards?
 
Radrook said:
Familiarity with that particular God's personality. If you told me that Zeus was vehemently against rape and adultery I would reply that he is depicted as raping human women while he was married. So that would be false in reference to Zeus.

Or if you told me that that Mars or the Aztec gods were peace loving I'd have to consider that statement false.

In the same manner, if I am told that the biblical God respects rapists-I would have to say that is false because of my familiarity with how the biblical God is described.
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I am unable to ascertain the Tooth Fairy's position on the issue, which is unfortunate because it is just as relevant.
 
skeptigirl said:
The only thing 'tough' about the issues is explaining why Christians cannot stop apologizing for the absurdity of the rationalization. Either there ain't a God (obvious) or he's despicable.
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I guess we will have to disagree here - I think the murder and rape of a child is a "tough" issue to deal with - whether you believe in God or not. Still, believing in God after and during the tragedies is "tough" too. And as you are well aware - many people abandon their faith during those very times, but many come through it with a stronger, albeit changed, faith.
 
Magyar said:
God has SO much RESPECT for his creation that he will allow men to do these kinds of destructive things to show us his love!
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Yeah, it's all nonsensical. I guess the same god has so much respect for his creation that he will allow the earthquakes which he (in his perfect wisdom) has made to topple buildings on those he loves, and create tsunamis to wash the tiny cherished babies from their cribs, the lightning which he created to spark wildfires to burn his much-beloved Bambis from their homes ... then wail like OJ that he did it because he "loved them too much."

Then you get guys like VenomFangX, in his latest "Why is there hell?" screed, arguing that condemning good people to an eternity of anguish is another example of his "perfect love," because his standards of morality are much higher than human standards. In fact they're so high that if you break the least of his commandments (by, say, getting angry), you're screwed. Just like the most petty gang leader, any petty infraction is punished by measures more extreme than a little child torture and rape.

The people who think this way are just little losers trying to convince themselves that they will be rewarded after they die, while those who rightly mocked them will pay a heavy price. The whole idea is so ridiculous that it's not even worth refuting.
 
This sounds like a Christian is trying to change that stupid viewpoint that Christians seem to have.

If something good happens to you it's because of God.

If something bad happens it's your fault.

Only he fails miserably because it seems that God is far more evil then people suspected.
 
Wildy said:
This sounds like a Christian is trying to change that stupid viewpoint that Christians seem to have.

If something good happens to you it's because of God.

If something bad happens it's your fault.

Only he fails miserably because it seems that God is far more evil then people suspected.
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From a theological standpoint, the real question is whether such beliefs are misunderstandings of scripture or even non-biblically derived additions. If indeed they are unjustifiable additions, then they constitute mere misguided human opinion and cannot legitimately be used to for biblical evaluation purposes.

It is a sincere, unbiased, skeptic's responsibility to determine this before passing judgement. Otherwise he is as gullible as any other unprincipled person.
 
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A Christian Sceptic said:
By the way - reading some of the reviews of the book it appears many Christians don't like that book because it makes God too accepting of all humans. <shrugs> Go figure.
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From a Christian standpoint God doesn't view all humans in an equally benign way. That's because human behavior varies and some of that behavior is scrpturally described as offensive to him.
 
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