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HYPE: The Obama Effect

MaGZ said:
For one thing I do not see how a cocaine addict or crack head could ever make the grade at any university of higher learning.
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You've never been to university have you?

His thesis at Columbia University on nuclear disarmament is suspicious since he never expressed any interest in the subject.
So what? One objective of university education is to give you a set of tools that can be turned to a wide range of subjects.

After Columbia he worked for Business International Corporation which is something of a newsletter publishing outfit advising businesses on conditions abroad. Later he worked in Harlem for New York Public Interest Research Group doing some type of job in recycling waist. After that he moved to Chicago as a community organizer. None of this has anything to do with nuclear weapons.
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So? I've never done anything dirrectly related to my final year stuff at uni.
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MaGZ said:
My view of Obama is someone who is a total fraud. I believe everything has been given to him by neo-communists in America: his grades, degrees, Harvard Law Review, chapters in his books, credit for legislation in Illinois etc. etc.
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We had no part in Obama...
 
MaGZ said:
I thought it was interesting Obama’s dissertation supposedly on nuclear disarmament has yet to appear. I doubt he wrote it. If found, one can bet you can prove plagiarism or fraud.
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You're correct in at least one way. Obama indeed never wrote a "dissertation" or a "thesis" about nuclear disarmament. Columbia University didn't have an undergraduate thesis requirement until the 1990s.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx
MaGZ said:
His thesis at Columbia University on nuclear disarmament is suspicious since he never expressed any interest in the subject.
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Did he tell you himself that he didn't have an interest in that subject?

The seminar for which he wrote the paper was about American Foreign Policy.
MaGZ said:
Most of this legislation Obama gets credit for was during his last year in the Illinois Senate.

Obama a total fraud.
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Totally dude, if there's one thing that Republicans like to do is to cover for their Democratic colleagues incompetence!

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/ind...ecord_id=8dcb8c35-802a-23ad-4d37-9c8ea9c43460
http://lugar.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=278019
 
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Peephole said:
You're correct in at least one way. Obama indeed never wrote a "dissertation" or a "thesis" about nuclear disarmament. Columbia University didn't have an undergraduate thesis requirement until the 1990s.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx

Did he tell you himself that he didn't have an interest in that subject?

The seminar for which he wrote the paper was about American Foreign Policy.

Totally dude, if there's one thing that Republicans like to do is to cover for their Democratic colleagues incompetence!

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/ind...ecord_id=8dcb8c35-802a-23ad-4d37-9c8ea9c43460
http://lugar.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=278019
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Obama's professor said,
“You wouldn’t say, ‘Oh, he’s going to be secretary of state or president someday’,” Baron said. Obama was whip smart and “clearly one of the top one or two students in the class,” he said, but Obama’s seven classmates also could hold their own. “No real dolts in the class,” Baron remembered.
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If Obama was so brilliant at Columbia then release the transcripts.
 
MaGZ said:
For one thing I do not see how a cocaine addict or crack head could ever make the grade at any university of higher learning.
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Oh, do we really need to Bush-Bash at this late date?


MaGZ said:
After Columbia he worked for Business International Corporation which is something of a newsletter publishing outfit advising businesses on conditions abroad. Later he worked in Harlem for New York Public Interest Research Group doing some type of job in recycling waist. After that he moved to Chicago as a community organizer. None of this has anything to do with nuclear weapons.
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I have a degree in physics. Little of what I do know is directly related to my degree. I would guess that is true for lots of people.


MaGZ said:
He will not release his transcript at Columbia or say who his friends were.
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Is that usually done? Is there reason for him to do so?


MaGZ said:
The one thing we do know about him at this time was his association with his roommate and possible lover Sohale Siddiqi.
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You have something to support this claim?


MaGZ said:
Obama being named to the Harvard Law Review as editor is also suspicious since he never wrote an article for that publication.
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Along with 40-odd classmates, he won a precious spot on the law review at the end of his first year through grades and a writing competition.
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Neo-communists groom their presidential candidates in batches of 40, do they?


MaGZ said:
I suspect his two books were ghost written.
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I'm sure you do, but then you also buy into Metapedia's POV.


MaGZ said:
The legislation he is credited with was pushed by a Black State Senator who wanted to promote Obama to the Presidency by putting Obama’s name on the proposed legislation.
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Was that Black State Senator named "Barack Obama"?


MaGZ said:
Obama a total fraud.
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Well, it's clear someone is.
 
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Upchurch said:
Oh, do we really need to Bush-Bash at this late date?



I have a degree in physics. Little of what I do know is directly related to my degree. I would guess that is true for lots of people.



Is that usually done? Is there reason for him to do so?



You have something to support this claim?



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Neo-communists groom their presidential candidates in batches of 40, do they?



I'm sure you do, but then you also buy into Metapedia's POV.



Was that Black State Senator named "Barack Obama"?



Well, it's clear someone is.
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html
We know less about Senator Obama than about any prospective president in American history. His uplifting rhetoric is empty, as Hillary Clinton helplessly protests. His career bears no trace of his own character, not an article for the Harvard Law Review he edited, or a single piece of legislation. He appears to be an empty vessel filled with the wishful thinking of those around him. But there is a real Barack Obama. No man - least of all one abandoned in infancy by his father - can conceal the imprint of an impassioned mother, or the influence of a brilliant wife.
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It appears I was mistaken Emil Jones Jr. wanted to make Obama a US Senator not President.
http://againstobama.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/obama-the-screamer/
It’s a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what’s interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.
The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James “Pate” Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned African-American known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.
Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama’s. He became Obama’s ­kingmaker.
Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city’s most popular black call-in radio ­program.
I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:
“He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator.’”
“Oh, you are? Who might that be?”
“Barack Obama.”
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
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Would we not agree that performance and ability to succeed is a good measure of a person?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin
“You needed somebody — and here was where Barack was a star — who could make the case to students across the political spectrum,” said Eileen Hershenov, who oversaw Mr. Obama’s work for Nypirgp
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Cathy Lazere, his supervisor at Business International, described him as self-assured and bright. “He was very mature and more worldly than other people — on the surface kind of laid back, but kind of in control,” she said. “He had a good sense of himself, which I think a lot of kids at that age don’t.”
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Michael J. Wolf, who took the seminar with him and went on to become president of MTV Networks, said: “He was very smart. He had a broad sense of international politics and international relations. It was a class with a lot of debate. He was a very, very active participant. I think he was truly distinctive from the other people in that class. He stood out.”
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As I said, a desire to believe that Obama couldn't possibly be good is a convienient fantasy. It allows one the ability to complain about the injustice in the world without having to consider the ugly truth that some people are smarter and more capable than ourselves.
 
joobz said:
Would we not agree that performance and ability to succeed is a good measure of a person?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin




As I said, a desire to believe that Obama couldn't possibly be good is a convienient fantasy. It allows one the ability to complain about the injustice in the world without having to consider the ugly truth that some people are smarter and more capable than ourselves.
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I recommend you see the 1979 movie Being There; it’s about a simpleton who everyone thinks is very wise.

Obama is no simpleton, but he does have a lot of people fooled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_There
 
MaGZ said:
I recommend you see the 1979 movie Being There; it’s about a simpleton who everyone thinks is very wise.

Obama is no simpleton, but he does have a lot of people fooled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_There
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So, then, by your own view, Obama's transcripts won't prove anything to you. IF he has straight As, you'll claim that he "fooled" everyone. If he failed a single course or obtained several C's and D's, you'll claim, "Proof. He doesn't deserve his rank."

Ability is something to admire, not envy. It's my experience that those who discredit the success and achievements of others, only do so because they have none of thier own.
 
Ah, yes. Here we go. I was hoping for some substantive criticism of Obama, for once, but NOOO.
Instead, we have: "Big government, big taxes." "He represents the far left of the Democratic Party!"
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If only it were true!

What about his support of the health insurance companies that are screwing hard-working Americans? Or his recent vote for warrantless wiretapping? Or his support of the PATRIOT Act renewal? His gung-ho, hawkish support of the Israeli regime and pandering to AIPAC? How about his continuation of the War on Terror, by moving troops in Iraq to Afghanistan, or other Middle East targets?

Oh, yeah, it's because this is a GOP video, and the GOP supports all those things, too.
Do you see how the debate is controlled?

This is the same thing that happened in 2004. The Republicans focussed on some trivial aspect of Kerry's career (the freaking Swift boat), and blew it up into this huge issue. It was a completely meaningless topic, yet it was all you heard about for months! What will it be for Obama?
 
MaGZ said:
I recommend you see the 1979 movie Being There; it’s about a simpleton who everyone thinks is very wise.
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...and, in the end, he literally walks on water.

(sorry, could only find a foreign language version on YouTube,)

Interesting comparison you chose there....
 
joobz said:
So, then, by your own view, Obama's transcripts won't prove anything to you. IF he has straight As, you'll claim that he "fooled" everyone. If he failed a single course or obtained several C's and D's, you'll claim, "Proof. He doesn't deserve his rank."

Ability is something to admire, not envy. It's my experience that those who discredit the success and achievements of others, only do so because they have none of thier own.
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I would like to see the grades but they mean nothing when you realize the guy is being pushed and promoted by the neocoms (coms as in communist)
 
MaGZ said:
I would like to see the grades but they mean nothing when you realize the guy is being pushed and promoted by the neocoms (coms as in communist)
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Then why do you want to see them? As joobz said, they'll confirm your bias either way.

or did I just answer my own question?
 
MaGZ said:
I would like to see the grades but they mean nothing when you realize the guy is being pushed and promoted by the neocoms (coms as in communist)
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interesting. So, you want to see them, but they will be meaningless to your foregone conclusion. And you see nothing wrong with that logic?
 
MaGZ said:
It appears I was mistaken Emil Jones Jr. wanted to make Obama a US Senator not President.
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I spoke to Jones earlier this week and he confirmed his conversation with Kelley, adding that he gave Obama the legislation because he believed in Obama’s ability to negotiate with Democrats and Republicans on divisive issues.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/print
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The incompetence!

Also:
“After I was elected president, in 2003, he came to see me, a couple months later,” Jones recalled, relishing the tale. “And he said to me, he said, ‘You’re the senate president now, and with that, you have a lot of pow-er.’ ” Jones stretched out the word, as if savoring the pleasure of it, and his voice became very quiet as he continued: “And I told Barack, ‘You think I got a lot of pow-er now?,’ and he said, ‘Yeah, you got a lot of pow-er.’ And I said, ‘What kind of pow-er do I have?’ He said, ‘You have the pow-er to make a United States sen-a-tor!’  ” Jones let out a soft, smoky laugh. “I said to Barack, I said, ‘That sounds good!’ I said, ‘I haven’t even thought of that.’ I said, ‘Do you have someone in mind you think I could make?,’ and he said, ‘Yeah. Me.’ ”

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/03/obama200803?currentPage=1
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Pretty amazing. A black politician has the NERVE (sarcasm alert) to actually have a real, live, honest PERSONALITY. This is, therefore, hype, according to some.

Just more proof that some people do not regard black people as human beings, in my book.

I'd ask a different question, why does McCain not seem to have a personality?
 
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