Moderated Energy, Heat, Healing, Magnetic

[AstralWar]

Just because the guy has a hard time writing about his claimed ability doesn't mean we shouldn't help him.

He sounds dedicated, and honestly believes he has something. I would like to show him some respect by asking members that live close to him to meet with him, and help him "coherently" put his ideas and claims down on paper so he can be tested.

don't send him on a wild goose chase reading the challenge. He obviously needs a little help. If we are all dedicated to the truth here, someone please step up and give him a hand.

Good on you buddy.

thank you verry much tapman. I love help. I love to hear what other people think and listen to what they know and can offer me. Just know that i am not the one that will be hunting wild geese;p) THIS IS A CHALLENGE AND NO ONE IS EXEMPT TO OFFER AS WELL AS ACCEPT MY PATH IS TO SHOW MR RANDEE WHAT HE HAS BEEN ASKIN FOR YEARS

In one of the rules it states that things can be disscussed for the test. so why would i stare at the challenge commandments for nothing that lead to nowhere;p) but circles lol


I would love to talk to or meet with people that might even be interested in meeting with me to help with the situation. I do live in Nor Cal

 

[Crundy]

We all have no problem with helping you, but you are making it very difficult to assist with a protocol design. You said you can make your hands heavier, the you said they don't get heavy, they get light, but they don't actually change weight because of gravity, and if there wasn't any gravity you would float. No offense, but if there wasn't any gravity quite a lot of things would float.

Try and pick something specific you can do that can be observed and measured. If you are electrostatic, can you move objects without touching them (telekinesis)? Try putting a mug onto a desk and make it move without touching it.

 

[petre]

It might help focus some to look at the problem from another angle.

If the test were to be performed for a neutral observer's video camera, and then that observer were to post the video for us to see, what paranormal event might we verify only from what we see in the video? Assume that we, the viewers, trust that the observer has set up conditions to prevent you from cheating in any way.

There will be no way for us to know what's in your mind, feel what you feel, or in any way percieve your experience of the test, nor the observer's experience. The only information we will have is what we can see in the video.

Do you possess enough knowledge of this ability to identify something that would present itself in such a situation, or do you need more time to explore it to see if anything fits this criteria?

 

[AstralWar]

The main problem here is that nobody, including him, appears to understand what his claimed ability is.

MY CLAIMED ABILITY IS HEALING THAT IS ONE OF MY POWERS. HOW IS YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM GIVING LECTURES ON A PROBLEM. NOT ALL WILL UNDERSTAND RIGHT AWAY ESPECIALLY WHEN NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN.


[/QUOTE]It seems to change with every post he makes.[/QUOTE]

MAYBE THAT MAYBE PART OF YOUR PROBLEM YOU SEE IT AS CHANGE. I SEE IT AS ADDING MORE TO THE EQUATION.



[/QUOTE]And since even what he claims he can do cannot even be established, this does make helping him rather difficult.[/QUOTE]


EXPLAIN ESTABLISHED HERE PLEASE. PLEASE GIVE EXAMPLES OF THIS.

[/QUOTE]Since you appear to wish to be of some help, perhaps you could provide advice as to what he should do. Many of the posts here have tried to tease out what his ability actually is.[/QUOTE]

TEASE OUT THAT IF SO SO FUNNY. HEALING IS MY ABILITY.

[/QUOTE]Perhaps a wonderfully sympathetic and honest person such as yourself will be more succesful in doing this, since you appear to have an empathy that most here lack.[/QUOTE]

WHAT WOULD EMPATHY OR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING HERE REGARDING ME. MAYBE FROMDOWNUNDER YOU SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING.[/QUOTE]



[/QUOTE]Norm[/QUOTE]


AW

 

[AstralWar]

It might help focus some to look at the problem from another angle.

If the test were to be performed for a neutral observer's video camera, and then that observer were to post the video for us to see, what paranormal event might we verify only from what we see in the video? Assume that we, the viewers, trust that the observer has set up conditions to prevent you from cheating in any way.

There will be no way for us to know what's in your mind, feel what you feel, or in any way percieve your experience of the test, nor the observer's experience. The only information we will have is what we can see in the video.

Do you possess enough knowledge of this ability to identify something that would present itself in such a situation, or do you need more time to explore it to see if anything fits this criteria?

That is interesting Petre. How was the camera set up what type of view? like maybe negative or sephia or infra red.

What do you have in mind Petre anything particular?

when it comes to something like this petre i need to ask is it about me being observed and measured

or results from what i do

in all cases in this testing it seems that it was either pass or fail right away from seeing what if what ever it is i do cannot be determined in that instant as a success or a failure because someone i gave a healing to needs to be evaluated would this effect the challenge

when it comes to pain THE BRAIN DOES NOT FEEL PAIN IN ANY WAY ANY PAIN THE BRAIN FEELS COMES FROM A MESSAGE SENT FROM OUTSIDE THE BRAIN AND SENT TO THE BRAIN ;P) I DO NOT RELY ON WHAT SOMEONE FEELS OR WHAT I FEEL OR THINK I LIKE RESULTS


I HAD A TAPE OF A HEALING I DID I CAN NOT FIND IT I MOVED AND DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT IS AT. WHEN I FIND IT BELEIVE ME I WILL POST WHERE EVER I CAN.

I will try something using a camera on me and see what happens seems like it could be a bit fun. what type of picture effect should i use that can see ElectroStatic coming off of me or my hands. or any type of electricity between my hands.

 

[Ravenwood]

http://www.trifield.com/EMF_meter.htm
one of these would be a good way to measure any emitted EMF

 

[steenkh]

Why the shoes. what does it mean with shoes and without them in scientific terms. what about it being transfered from me to another person without touch?

The shoes could isolate you electrically from grounding and help build up a voltage in your body. Electrical energy can be transferred without touch through sparks, and possibly thropugh other means also (I am a bit hazy on this).

they never really felt lighter cause of gravity keeps me on the ground;p) however i have felt that if there was no gravity keeping me on the ground i would fly.

Which is correct: if there was no gravity you would fly!

what would be an example of natural action.

If you are charged with static electricity you can make certain light things move by waving your hands over them. For people who do not understand static electricity, this looks supernatural, but it is natural.

 

[steenkh]

We all have no problem with helping you, but you are making it very difficult to assist with a protocol design. You said you can make your hands heavier, the you said they don't get heavy, they get light, but they don't actually change weight because of gravity, and if there wasn't any gravity you would float. No offense, but if there wasn't any gravity quite a lot of things would float.

I would say that AstralWar only has a vague feeling that s/he has supernatural abilities, but s/he has no real idea of exactly what, and is probably also not really able to distinguish the supernatural from the natural.

This is not a problem of bringing AstralWar closer to take the challenge but to teach him/her about the natural world to enable him/her an understanding of his/her (lack of) abilities.

 

[fromdownunder]

MY CLAIMED ABILITY IS HEALING THAT IS ONE OF MY POWERS. /quote]

Good. Focus on that. Forget the asides about how you do it. Forget heating water, hands getting heavier, hands getting lighter, gravity and other distractions.

The only thing you need to do is focus on the healing part. All you have to do is explain exactly what you intend to do to heal somebody, and what you intend to heal. A formal protocol can be developed around that.

Be as specific as possible, which will simplify the development of a protocol

Norm

 

[GzuzKryzt]

MY CLAIMED ABILITY IS HEALING THAT IS ONE OF MY POWERS.
...

Great. How would you demonstrate your alleged power?

Have you talked to trained medical personnel about your claimed powers and what were their responses?

 

[Paul2]

AstralWar, can you select just a single disease or symptom of a disease that you have healed so we can discuss it here?

After you've named just one, I'll have some more questions.

 

[AstralWar]

The shoes could isolate you electrically from grounding and help build up a voltage in your body. Electrical energy can be transferred without touch through sparks, and possibly thropugh other means also (I am a bit hazy on this).


Which is correct: if there was no gravity you would fly!


If you are charged with static electricity you can make certain light things move by waving your hands over them. For people who do not understand static electricity, this looks supernatural, but it is natural.

Yes I agree that it can be transferred without touch. That one time when i had my shoes off and had a persons hand in a small bucket of water it was not sparks it was a solid line and seemed to be real thick.

one time when i transfered sparks i built up to about 2 feet long;p)

fly? some might just stay in the same spot and go nowhere on their own unless help by someone else. my hands are like propellars.

since there is gravity i can do so much build up energy and cause wind to flow in a certain direction;p) like fans not only on a scale for rooms however on a scale regarding the world.


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[Crundy]

HOW IS YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM GIVING LECTURES ON A PROBLEM.

I'm putting that on a t-shirt

OK, so, healing. Good. So could you describe what you are able to heal people of? Can we try my killing bacteria idea if you can cure people of bacterial infections?

Or, what about finding a couple of plants infected with a mosaic virus, and you cure one of the plants and not the other?

 

[TheDaver]

MY CLAIMED ABILITY IS HEALING THAT IS ONE OF MY POWERS.

1. Please don’t type entirely in capital letters. That’s the web equivalent of yelling and it’s considered very rude when done in excess.
2. “Healing” is much too vague to test. For example, if you did your work on a cut finger, and it healed in the ordinary amount of time, you could claim that that was your talent at work, when of course it wasn’t. Or, you could say that although the cut didn’t seem to heal faster than normal, a bruise on the subject’s arm seemed to. You see what I mean?

HOW IS YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM GIVING LECTURES ON A PROBLEM.

If you can’t bother to clearly state what it is you can do, then how do you expect to be properly tested?

NOT ALL WILL UNDERSTAND RIGHT AWAY ESPECIALLY WHEN NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN.

Whether you’re able to do whatever the heck it is you’re claiming still remains to be seen!

It seems to change with every post he makes.

MAYBE THAT MAYBE PART OF YOUR PROBLEM YOU SEE IT AS CHANGE. I SEE IT AS ADDING MORE TO THE EQUATION.

Not when your claims completely contradict one another.

And since even what he claims he can do cannot even be established, this does make helping him rather difficult.

EXPLAIN ESTABLISHED HERE PLEASE.

Established: Determined. You’ve been too vague with your claims to determine just what you want to be tested.

Since you appear to wish to be of some help, perhaps you could provide advice as to what he should do. Many of the posts here have tried to tease out what his ability actually is.

TEASE OUT THAT IF SO SO FUNNY. HEALING IS MY ABILITY.

There’s absolutely nothing paranormal about healing! I scratched myself at work last week and since then it has healed. Should I apply for the MDC now too?!

Perhaps a wonderfully sympathetic and honest person such as yourself will be more succesful in doing this, since you appear to have an empathy that most here lack.

WHAT WOULD EMPATHY OR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING HERE REGARDING ME. MAYBE FROMDOWNUNDER YOU SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING.

Since (for the fiftieth time) your claims are too vague, you don’t even seem to understand the fact, and you have such a hard time understanding any of the logic dished out by the other members here, it looks like we need someone with a lot of patience and empathy to coax out of you whatever the heck it is you claim to do.

 

[fromdownunder]

Yes I agree that it can be transferred without touch. That one time when i had my shoes off and had a persons hand in a small bucket of water it was not sparks it was a solid line and seemed to be real thick.

one time when i transfered sparks i built up to about 2 feet long;p)

fly? some might just stay in the same spot and go nowhere on their own unless help by someone else. my hands are like propellars.

since there is gravity i can do so much build up energy and cause wind to flow in a certain direction;p) like fans not only on a scale for rooms however on a scale regarding the world.


EVEN VIBRATIONS

So have you given up on the "healing" protocol already? I thought you said that's what you did. Can you please stay on topic so that a healing protocol can be established, rather than continually derailing your own thread by changing the subject away from the MDC?

Norm

 

[AstralWar]

So have you given up on the "healing" protocol already? I thought you said that's what you did. Can you please stay on topic so that a healing protocol can be established, rather than continually derailing your own thread by changing the subject away from the MDC?

Norm

What i said was not off topic. it is regarding ELECTROSTATIC MY CLAIM A CLAIM THAT NO ONE HAS EVER STATED IN AN APPLICATION With my shoes on is the healing process without does not heal but hurt which is the opposite a positive outcome and a negaitive outcome it is one of the rules

Edited by chillzero: 

Editing before approval - off topic comment removed.

 

[steenkh]

So have you given up on the "healing" protocol already? I thought you said that's what you did. Can you please stay on topic so that a healing protocol can be established, rather than continually derailing your own thread by changing the subject away from the MDC?

I wonder why everybody are telling him to concentrate on healing, which is the one ability of his that is extremely difficult to test. He seems very confused to me, and as you note, he has difficulty staying on one subject. I think you will find that until he himself grasps what he can really do, he will constantly shoot off in all directions

If he is not working as a healer, he will not have a stream of patients on whom he can test his abilities, so any venture in this direction cannot be probed through self-test. The truth, which is obvious to us all, will only appear in the challenge test.

 

[Jackalgirl]

Howdy, AW --

JG weighing in again. Been away a while -- work & kid, don't you know. ; )

I know other people have said this, but I just wanted to say that I think that you should start VERY simply and work your way up.

Remember that according to the rules of the Challenge, you have to bear ALL of the costs of your demonstration. If you have to find "broken" people, then get them all into a controlled environment to heal them, YOU will be paying for their transportation and lodging. If a doctor will be required to look the people over before & after your demonstration (which is likely), YOU will have to pay for the doctor's time. And so forth. That's going to get expensive.

And simple. We're also looking for simple. Because what we want to do is demonstrate that you are doing something that can't be explained by ANYthing else. We want a test so obvious, so cut & dry, that there can be absolutely NO doubting that you're achieving the effect paranormally. No placebo effect or confirmation bias. Something like broken bones. Can you heal, by touch, a broken bone? Remember, you are going to have to pay for the time and transportation of any test subject(s) in question, the time of the doctor(s), and for x-rays.

If you still want to pursue healing, then by all means do so -- but do come up with a list of things that you can heal. We'll try to figure out which ones would be the simplest -- and least expensive.

BUT -- if you can do more than one thing, then try picking something that is cheaper to test. For example, you mention that you can control the wind:

since there is gravity i can do so much build up energy and cause wind to flow in a certain direction;p) like fans not only on a scale for rooms however on a scale regarding the world.

Since you say "not only", this implies that you can cause the air in a room to flow in a chosen direction. Is that correct? At what rate can you make the air move? Could you knock over an object across the room? How light does the object have to be? Could you, say, knock over an empty 2 liter soda bottle?

How precise can you move the airflow? If I were to set up, say, three soda bottles, could you knock over just one of them?

See where I'm going with this? The test would consist of you, possibly a friend, and some empty 2 liter soda bottles. The only thing you'd have to pay for is transportation & lodging of you and your buddy (and possibly some soda bottles) to/at the test site. If there's a proctor in your area, there'd be practically no cost at all. AND it would give you the "drop dead" evidence we all want.

 

[fromdownunder]

I wonder why everybody are telling him to concentrate on healing, which is the one ability of his that is extremely difficult to test. He seems very confused to me, and as you note, he has difficulty staying on one subject. I think you will find that until he himself grasps what he can really do, he will constantly shoot off in all directions

If he is not working as a healer, he will not have a stream of patients on whom he can test his abilities, so any venture in this direction cannot be probed through self-test. The truth, which is obvious to us all, will only appear in the challenge test.

The problem is that we need to get to a point where at least something needs to be established as a power so consideration can be given to designing a test around that power. I have concentrated on healing because of this:

MY CLAIMED ABILITY IS HEALING THAT IS ONE OF MY POWERS.

Unless we try to focus on something, then the thread will continue to flail off in all directions, such as the post I was responding to:

since there is gravity i can do so much build up energy and cause wind to flow in a certain direction;p) like fans not only on a scale for rooms however on a scale regarding the world.


EVEN VIBRATIONS

How does one even start trying to consider a protocol where the claim is to "cause wind to flow in a certain direction...on a scale regarding the world". What does this even mean?

Unless we can narrow the whole thing down from claims that appear to grow with every post, there has to be a point where we settle on what is going to be tested. Since the healing appears to be his major focus, and is at least testable, unless somebody wants to design a test around wind direction, why not at least try and cut to the chase? All I am trying to do is help focus on the task at hand.

Norm

 

[steenkh]

Unless we try to focus on something, then the thread will continue to flail off in all directions, such as the post I was responding to:

And you do not think the thread will flail off in all directions once the difficulties of testing healing abilities become clear?

How does one even start trying to consider a protocol where the claim is to "cause wind to flow in a certain direction...on a scale regarding the world". What does this even mean?

Exactly. A person who can invent claims such as this do not need to be pushed towards a firm protocol of any of his abilities, but need to gain a clearer picture of what his (lack of) abilities actually are.

All I am trying to do is help focus on the task at hand.

I do understand you, but I do not think the task at hand is to perform a test for the JREF Challenge, but to help a person who knows nothing about physics, and who might very possibly have problems of his own.