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"Oxygen-starved" fire? Explain the jumpers.

~enigma~ said:
Explain what force on earth could have stopped the tower(s) from collapsing after the first 0.5 seconds of slippage. Do you understand the momentum involved or do you think it's a great idea to mimic the rest of the truth intellectual idiots in the truth movement?
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Explain what force (mass) above the towers could have created enough
pressure to squish 1000 feet of tower if the stop frame analysis shows it
was blowing up ABOVE the impact zone?

Again, how long can a human survive in 200 'F heat?

TAM, it must not have been too hot until that point then huh? Maybe 90'F.

What temperature must it have been for the people to start jumping?
 
Turbofan said:
Explain what force (mass) above the towers could have created enough
pressure to squish 1000 feet of tower if the stop frame analysis shows it
was blowing up ABOVE the impact zone?
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Asking a question before you answer mine....you know how that is going to turn out or are you really that dumb?
 
Turbofan said:
Explain what force (mass) above the towers could have created enough
pressure to squish 1000 feet of tower if the stop frame analysis shows it
was blowing up ABOVE the impact zone?

Again, how long can a human survive in 200 'F heat?

TAM, it must not have been too hot until that point then huh? Maybe 90'F.

What temperature must it have been for the people to start jumping?
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Oh god this reminds me of the old 1/5 of a building vs 4/5 of a building canard... :covereyes
The north tower had all three stairwells destroyed, which wouldyou prefer? burning, smoke inhalation, or jumping? In that situation I might would have jumped <_<
 
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~enigma~ said:
Oh we totally understand that.

Can't you understand that if the other areas (bascially 1000 feet of building) were not anywhere near fatigue temperature, it should not have fallen?

How long do you think a human body could withstand 200'F then?

Explain what force on earth could have stopped the tower(s) from collapsing after the first 0.5 seconds of slippage. Do you understand the momentum involved or do you think it's a great idea to mimic the rest of the truth intellectual idiots in the truth movement?
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I see that it's OK for you to dodge my questions which were asked first?

I highlighted those questions in red so that you can finally answer them.

As for your question, it's flawed. The portion of building above the impact
zone was blowing apart and leaving very little mass to push down on the
remainder of the building.

The 47 steel inner core columns, and 230+ outter columns carried the loads
for decades without problem.

Why did that change suddenly on Sept. 11/01?
 
In that one particular area, an open area 1000 feet above the ground at the edge of the building, I would say at the one spot she was standing in, at that moment in time, 90F or even less is plausible, perhaps likely.

Now 30 feet away from her, inside, a different story.

TAM:)
 
Turbofan said:
I see that it's OK for you to dodge my questions which were asked first?

I highlighted those questions in red so that you can finally answer them.

As for your question, it's flawed. The portion of building above the impact
zone was blowing apart and leaving very little mass to push down on the
remainder of the building.

The 47 steel inner core columns, and 230+ outter columns carried the loads
for decades without problem.

Why did that change suddenly on Sept. 11/01?
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It's a concept of dynamic loads vs static loads... you already assume that the top 'exploded' of course so why soil the entertainment?

So according to you if it is hidden behind a cloud of dust, in must not have been there.
 
Turbofan said:
I see that it's OK for you to dodge my questions which were asked first?
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When you ask nonsense...yes, it is proper not to answer or otherwise give it any validity.
As for your question, it's flawed. The portion of building above the impact
zone was blowing apart and leaving very little mass to push down on the
remainder of the building.
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And you are the only one who noticed in spite of the thousands of people that analyzed and witnessed the event LIVE. Not to mention that your "expert" Jowenko says that isn't what happened. Nor does your pseudo-expert Gage say that happened.
The 47 steel inner core columns, and 230+ outter columns carried the loads
for decades without problem.

Why did that change suddenly on Sept. 11/01?
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As I asked, what power on earth could have prevented (or stopped) the collapse after the upper block slipped for 0.5 seconds (note that I am not asking about any area other than where there was initial slippage). Answer that and you will see that your question about other areas is nothing but a nice attempt at distraction.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
It's a concept of dynamic loads vs static loads... you already assume that the top 'exploded' of course so why soil the entertainment?

So according to you if it is hidden behind a cloud of dust, in must not have been there.
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Wonder why everybody missed such an event? i mean an explosion strong enough to "pulverize" a 15 story chunk of office building and nobody noticed it??????
 
~enigma~ said:
Wonder why everybody missed such an event? i mean an explosion strong enough to "pulverize" a 15 story chunk of office building and nobody noticed it??????
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I imagine the truck bombs required were hush-a-booms. They wrapped them all in mattresses to muffle the insanely loud explosive noises. [/sarc]
 
Turbofan said:
Oh we totally understand that.

Can't you understand that if the other areas (bascially 1000 feet of building) were not anywhere near fatigue temperature, it should not have fallen?
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What? How can you come to that conclusion without a quantitative analysis of how much failed compared to how much did not?

The fact of the matter is that, in the fire and impact zone, some columns were severed, and others reached the point of heat-induced failure due to the fires. The columns that remained then had extreme stresses imposed on them due to the transfer of forces caused by the other columns failing. NIST's supplamental report - NCSTAR 1-6D - covers these stress transfers and failures in detail.
 
ElMondoHummus said:
What? How can you come to that conclusion without a quantitative analysis of how much failed compared to how much did not?

The fact of the matter is that, in the fire and impact zone, some columns were severed, and others reached the point of heat-induced failure due to the fires. The columns that remained then had extreme stresses imposed on them due to the transfer of forces caused by the other columns failing. NIST's supplamental report - NCSTAR 1-6D - covers these stress transfers and failures in detail.
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His bring up columns away from the fires is nothing more than an attempt at distraction. Notice how he refused to answer what power on earth could have prevented (or stopped) the collapse after the first 0.5 seconds of slippage. Methinks Turbofan has no idea what momentum is...
 
The fires wouldn't have to be hot enough to compromise steel to get people to jump. In fact it's not the heat at all it's the smoke and the inability to breath.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I imagine the truck bombs required were hush-a-booms. They wrapped them all in mattresses to muffle the insanely loud explosive noises. [/sarc]
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There were enough reporters on site claiming they felt, and heard bombs.
This is on video.

There is also video of sounds of explosions. One in particular is the scene
of a first responder on the phone and turning suddenly when hearing an
explosion.
 
Turbofan said:
There were enough reporters on site claiming they felt, and heard bombs.
This is on video.

There is also video of sounds of explosions. One in particular is the scene
of a first responder on the phone and turning suddenly when hearing an
explosion.
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Riiight...explosions always mean bombs.
 
Turbofan said:
There were enough reporters on site claiming they felt, and heard bombs.
This is on video.
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Hell there were people who initially thought that bombs went off when the planes hit the towers because they had no idea what was happening. As big an event as it was, there was more than enough confusion to warrant people initially thinking 'bombs'


Turbofan said:
There is also video of sounds of explosions. One in particular is the scene of a first responder on the phone and turning suddenly when hearing an explosion.
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And you have two towers that have had their mechanical systems screwed, and after collapsing you have serious damage to infrastructure. An acre of concrete impacting another acre of concrete will sound like an explosion, gas lines ruptures by the collapse of the towers, you name it. There are hundreds of people who heard explosions that day, however, the sounds do not equate to bombs, particularly with the type of event this was
 
Turbofan said:
One in particular is the scene faked by truthers of a first responder on the phone and turning suddenly when hearing an explosion a fireman yells at him to leave, but a truther dubbed in the sound of an explosion because lacking evidence they were forced to manufacture it.
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Fixed that for you Turbofan. :rolleyes:

If you doubt it find the original video.
 
WildCat said:
It was certainly the heat and heat alone that cause Edna Cintron to jump.

There are also phone calls, such as this one from Kevin Cosgrove: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/audio/cosgrove_movie_high.mp4

And Melissa Doi: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/audio/P200016-2.wav

Smoke and heat...
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It’s funny you should mention Cosgrove. Wasn’t he still alive when the building started to collapse supposedly from the heat compromised steel? How did his body withstand temperatures needed to weaken steel enough that he was still able to scream his last words into a phone? Maybe he was covered in all that spray on fire proofing that fell off the trusses huh?
 
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