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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

Turbofan said:
For the third, or fourth time now:

Dennis Cimino - Flight Data Recorder Expert and Former Navy Combat Systems Specialist.

Jeff Latas -
Air Force ROTC program and Aerospace Engineering program at the University of Arizona
United States Air Force
Flew F-111D, F-15 and served as a flight instructor in T-38s.
Flew E "Strike Eagle" in Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm.
Flew 38 official combat missions and remained in theater for nearly eight months.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Latas

P.S. I can give Anti my number and he can call me collect.
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Dennis is a proven liar. His interview with Balsamo proves it. His resume proves it. Oh no?

I cannot see anything in jeff latas resume or wiki page where it says he serviced FDR 1st/2nd or 3rd line? Care to point this out to me? Pilots do not trump engineers or techs with experience. What aircraft did he service FDR and flight instruments on?
 
funk de fino said:
Dennis is a proven liar. His interview with Balsamo proves it. His resume proves it. Oh no?
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Proves what? That you don't know what you're talking about?

Hey Lisa , shouldn't there be a mod action here? I mean I've been edited
at least 12 times, but all the other posts are left to stand?

What's the reason?
 
Turbofan said:
YOu have at least three options:

- Call Dennis Cimino and ask him about his FDR qualifications
- Research his claims instead of questioning them
- Read his resume and get references. Call up the references
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There is nothing in any of his bios that show what training or any qualifications that would make him a "FDR expert." You are the one making the claim, the onus is on you to back it with real evidence other than "because he said so."
 
Turbofan said:
My point would be to explain how the system works , live on the phone
with Anti as he's not able to understand the information linked up by the
URL to the manufacturer site.
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What's the point? Even if you are right and he is wrong, what would this accomplish? Is this how you're going to bring the real perpetrators to justice? Convincing people one-at-a-time?

Nicepants said:
Seriously...if you've got proof (as you claim to have) then you don't need us for anything. Break the story on CNN, or go file a lawsuit, or go find a FDR expert who will actually agree with your claims.
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Turbofan said:
For the third, or fourth time now:
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You can keep posting that all you'd like, it won't make those guys FDR experts.

Pilots, flight instructors, etc does not = "FDR expert".

Fact is, no one at the PffffT has any professional training or experience in analyzing or retreiving data from an FDR.
 
Turbofan said:
Proves what? That you don't know what you're talking about?

Hey Lisa , shouldn't there be a mod action here? I mean I've been edited
at least 12 times, but all the other posts are left to stand?

What's the reason?
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His interview contains lies and so does his resume. It is not diffucult to understand.

Why would the mod be involved in this posting?
 
nicepants said:
What's the point? Even if you are right and he is wrong, what would this accomplish? Is this how you're going to bring the real perpetrators to justice? Convincing people one-at-a-time?
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It would highlight the points already made about the original post being
incorrect and help everyone here understand ARINC 717 systems, and FDR's!

That's more than one person if you consider the members here, and any
on-lookers browsing the 'net.
 
Turbofan, no need to fret the mods. I've complained repeatedly to them about your repetitive, abusive, and derailing posts, and they haven't responded to me either. No need for you to feel discriminated against.

Except in one case... You violated rule 10. (Naughty words.) They zapped that one. The Night Has a Thousand Eyes.
 
hxstamper said:
Wildcat, just get "Reheat", Beachnut" and "Anti-Sophist" to step up to the plate for debate (no from behind their screen), and we'll see who knows more about "FDR's".
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Tell the head dolt at PffffT, a complete idiot blowhard ex-pilot named Rob Balsamo, that if he wants to convince anyone of his nonsense he needs to get an actual FDR expert on board at minimum to be taken seriously.

Has the idiot Rob Balsamo contacted anyone from L3 with his concerns about the FDR? might be a good place to start if they were really serious about getting any sort of credibility, don't you think?

But he won't, and this is why the snake oil salesman, huckster, fraud, and idiot known as Rob Balsamo is the laughingstock even among the gullible teens who make up the truth movement. Ranks right down there with the no-planers like Judy Wood.

It's good that Rob Balsamo was banned and doesn't post here, otherwise this post would have broken the forum rules. :cool:
 
nicepants said:
Seriously...if you've got proof (as you claim to have) then you don't need us for anything. Break the story on CNN, or go file a lawsuit, or go find a FDR expert who will actually agree with your claims.
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This is an excellent question.

Why bother with us Turbo, you can simply blow this forum apart by going to the press, filing a lawsuit, submitting your evidence to the scientific community, sending it all to the authorities, there is no end of direct action you could take. So why bother here?

You have evidence of mass murder by the USG don't you ?

Yet you bring it here. :boggled:

 
uk_dave said:
Calm down.

I asked initially and subsequently whether or not you had commisioned a report from an FDR Analysis company. I even provided links to two such companies.


Why not?
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UK_Dave, you may have all day to play behind your screen with people you disagree with, but i dont, especially no time to educate you. So this will be my last for awhile.


You asked if we got a readout from an FDR Firm. I gave you a link to the meeting at an ARINC conference where P4T obtained the readout of the raw file and details of the meeting (with an FDR Expert - there was a bit of a hint of the company). (also, ask Turbofan what ARINC is as it doesnt seem Anti-Sophist knows).

You then asked if we got a report, i told you the NTSB already did a report.

Then you asked about Dennis and how could he comment. There is over an hour worth of interview (i think its 2? dont remember), you can listen or dont, no skin off my back.

Then you asked me again about a report from an FDR Company. Why would we pay an FDR Company when the NTSB already provided the report? You people think the NTSB provided an error filled report, then pay a company for a second opinion, unless of course you accept the NTSB distributing error filled data through the FOIA to the American (and UK) public. WE call FDR Companies, we meet with FDR experts, we have several Aircraft Accident Investigators on our team, we have numerous pilots and aviation professionals, all can be verified, the lists grow. None can be verified on your end.

As a side note: you people attack us for raising funds through DVD sales (yet all our presentations are free on the web), then you want us to pay for an FDR Company to do a report the NTSB already provided?

The cheeb must be good on this board, i gotta come around here more often.. :D
 
funk de fino said:
How much debri does Dennis say was on the lawn of the pentagon in his interview?

I'll give you a clue, he lies about how much there is.
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He says, "virtually no wreckage"

5:38 of this interview:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2052484937239620900

That is not a lie, that's an observation and supported by these photos.
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2001-09/hrs_200109114a_hr.jpg
no757.0catch.com/_webimages/07mxq-00-_2.JPG
guardian.150m.com/pentagon/pent04.jpg
http://www.odeion.org/cruisemissile/fireball.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/killtown/penta_lawn_files/fireball_shot.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/killtown/penta_lawn_files/grass_shot.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/killtown/penta_lawn_files/lawn.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/killtown/penta_lawn_files/spray.jpg
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/images/pelouse.jpg

Can anyone here spot the boeing on the lawn? :rolleyes:

So much for calling Dennis a liar. Anything else you want to point out
that I can proove wrong?
 
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Turbofan said:
It would highlight the points already made about the original post being
incorrect and help everyone here understand ARINC 717 systems, and FDR's!

That's more than one person if you consider the members here, and any
on-lookers browsing the 'net.
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So your goal isn't justice...it's convincing "members here, and any on-lookers browsing the 'net". If I had proof that would convict the murderer of a SINGLE person I would be going to the authorities, not wasting my time trying to convince random people on the internet.
 
nicepants said:
Seriously...if you've got proof (as you claim to have) then you don't need us for anything. Break the story on CNN, or go file a lawsuit, or go find a FDR expert who will actually agree with your claims.
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stateofgrace said:
This is an excellent question.

Why bother with us Turbo, you can simply blow this forum apart by going to the press, filing a lawsuit, submitting your evidence to the scientific community, sending it all to the authorities, there is no end of direct action you could take. So why bother here?

You have evidence of mass murder by the USG don't you ?

Yet you bring it here. :boggled:

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I'd like to reiterate this excellent point made by nicepants and stateofgrace for the Truther blowhards in this thread:

Why do you waste your time arguing on an Internet message board when you claim to have evidence of a government conspiracy to commit mass murder?

Why haven't you contacted anyone, anywhere on the planet, be they a MSM outlet, law enforcement agency, or investigative body, that might be in a position to bring this evidence to light and reveal the massive conspiracy it exposes?
 
how many BBQ aprons or DVD's do pffft and CIT need to sell before they file a lawsuit?








































Oh they can't file a lawsuit, That would require evidence. Cherry picked witnesses and math avoidance don't equal evidence.
 
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