AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[WildCat]

Alright guys you can carry on with your circular arguments. Nobody is answering
my questions, or making any sense based on the reports and photo evidence.

By the way, proving that the FDR data is consistent across the terrain plot
is the responsibiliy of the NTSB - not mine!

The NTSB released an erroneous animation and you all buy it based on the
"working copy" theory.

Do you think the animation was made for forensic analysis, or just had to be good enough for the general public to get the gist of what happened?

If you only knew how it all worked, you would question it like most people do.

By "most people" you mean the few dozen hacks at PfffffT?

If anyone has the nads, and wants to come out of hiding, join us at PFT for
real facts and proper operation of the FDR system.

Translation: Accept our less than half-assed crapola or get banned.

Did PffffT ever find an FDR expert who supports them? Have you ever wondered why that is? Are all actual FDR experts in on it Turbofan?

 

[eeyore1954]

No. Here's one instance of the government loyalists making stuff up and using
the term "VAPORIZED":


DC Military .com
http://www.newsfollowup.com/data/dcmil_text.doc

You see I don't lie, or make things up. I just repeat what your GL's state.

YOu didn't say that someone , somewhere said it was vaporized. you said

The best I've read here is:
1. The small entry hole into the Pentagon

"The engines vapourized upon impact, or burned from the fire."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x13510
I do see someone named JohnDoeII saying that someone else said something about vaporized.

I would willing to bet I would be able to find a poster named JohnDoeX talking about vaporized airplanes at the Pentagon if the various incarnations of the Loose change boards were still accesible. Probably could find it on the PF "truth" website also.


Edited to add
also waiting to find out what qualifications the experts at PF "truth" have in examing the data from Flight Data recorders.

 

[bje]

Alright guys you can carry on with your circular arguments.

I am just asking you questions about the evidence. Can't you answer them?

Nobody is answering my questions, or making any sense based on the reports and photo evidence.

I've directly asked you for specific reports and evidence. I would appreciate it if you would have the courtesy to answer the questions.

If anyone has the nads, and wants to come out of hiding, join us at PFT for real facts...

You can answer my questions right here. You don't have to run to PFT for safety. You know as well as I that PFT bans anyone who asks questions about the evidence at the Pentagon. I was banned for asking Rob Balsamo the very same questions as I am asking you.

Curious, to say the least, that simple questions frighten PFT so much, don't you think, Turbofan?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Sorry Mr. selective detective,

Mineta's timeline contradicts the arrival time of Cheney to the PEOC. Mineta
is on video confirming this; it's not hearsay!

It doesn't surprise me that you are not aware of this.

Still wanting to know why the plane wasn't shot down if the order was given?

Your country was under attack (known since second tower strike),
and nobody could figure out how to hit a commercial airliner circling over
restricted airspace with the world's most sophisticated defence system?

Have you taken the hook out of your mouth yet?

Hey Braniac, Minetta's testimony does not contradict Cheneys' EVERYONE ELSE's testimony contradicts Minetta's. You have a room full of people who all agree on everything, you have phone logs and security logs that all agree with those people. Yet you seem to think the one person who's time does not match everyone else's is right and everyone else is wrong? Are you on drugs kid? Do you understand what you are saying here?

Hmm, how is likely to be more right, 50 people or the one person who disagrees. And to add insult to your injury, Minetta does not agree with you. But it doesn't surprise me you aren't aware of this. And it's funny how yu accuse me of not be aware of it when I specifically address the issue in the post you are responding to. It just goes to show that you don't even bother to read the posts. No wonder you are so clueless about this stuff. If it's not on some cult tabloid like PFT, you don't bother to read do you kid?

Restricted airspace? You my friend are a complete idiot. I guess you seem to think that the entire US is restricted airspace, or that the plane was circling around the pentagon building for a couple hours? I am not sure what is more idiotic.

Are you high? Seriously, are you on drugs? No one can be that stupid without the use of drugs.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Need I remind you of the following:

- The small entry hole into the Pentagon
- Norman Mineta's testimony against Cheney
- E4-B video by CNN
- Lack of significant plane debris
- Lack of serial identification of plane debris
- Incorrect date on Pentagon video
- NTSB animation stops short of impact
- NTSB animation shows incorrect pressure altitude

oh and ummm...

- FDR data shows plane is too high to hit the light poles, and/or Pentagon.

You're forgetting:

- The whole was not small by any stretch. It was exactly as to be expected. however cult tabloids like PFT have been caught LYING about the size of the hole in order to boost their sales. I am wiling to bet you are going by the size of the hole misreported by PFT. But if you are getting any info from cult tabloids like PFT, it's no wonder you are wrong on every account.
- Norman's testimony proves Norman was wrong about the time. There were many many people there. They and the security logs and phone logs all agree with each other and all disagree with Norman's time. This is a classic example of you trying to cherry pick. you are intentionally dismissing the evidence that doesn't fit your pre-determined conclusion and intentionally using the information that is provenly wrong to do so.
- The CNN video? Idiotic conjecture. What are you 3?
- Lack of plane debris? They pretty much found the entire plane, and identified the bodies of every passenger and hijacker on the plane. To say there was little debris is an outright LIE.
- Please prove this claim of a lack of serial identification adn tell us how that proves the plane they found and the bodies they found at the scene don't exist.
- Incorrect date on the Pentagon video? Excuse me:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The video that has the incorrect date is the one seeded by the cult tabloids like PFT. That video also has captions on it such as "airplane" etc. I suppose you also think that the video camera identified objects on the screen and placed captions as well? The reason the date is wrong is because your little Twoofer tabloids intentionally put a wrong date to make idiots think that it was faked. Oh yes, the truth is that they crashed a plane into the building the next day instead. Are you on drugs? Or perhaps you'd like to believe that they can pull off this impossible feat that you expect us to believe but they couldn't alter a date in a video recording? Are you on drugs?


- The NTSB animation was just a rough working copy. The idea being to give the general idea of what happened to the plane. Not to use for little tree house spy kids such as yourself to play pretend detective.

Again, are you on drugs?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Still waiting for little Turbofan to tell us what happened. And still waiting for him to address my question asking if he still believes that for 6 years all military employees and contractors went without getting paid and never once complained. After all, he did claim 2.3 trillion dollars went missing.

 

[Turbofan]

Do you think the animation was made for forensic analysis, or just had to be good enough for the general public to get the gist of what happened?

Are you still stuck on that "inch accurate" crap that Anti-sophist was spewing?

The animation is so far off, it's too far out of the sensor limits of the airplane
and recorded data!

RAD ALT +/- 1 foot!

DME +/- 0.1 nautical miles

You can't get the 'gist' of anything from that animation because it's so incorrect! It doesn't even line up with the light poles!

You load the data file, and the software displays the values. Do you understand?

How can the altimeter be different from the data file! This has NOTHING
to do with the terrain. Pressure Altitude is referenced from Sea Level!

Explain it.

By "most people" you mean the few dozen hacks at PfffffT?

Did PffffT ever find an FDR expert who supports them? Have you ever wondered why that is? Are all actual FDR experts in on it Turbofan?

I posted the names of the data experts on the previous page, along with
their credentials. Once again for these people too lazy to read, or research:


Dennis Cimino
Flight Data Recorder Expert
Commercial pilot rating for 25 years. Systems Engineer.
Navy Combat Systems Specialist (Radar, ECM, UHF/VHF/HF COMMS., GPS, INS, SATNAV).


Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

Robert Balsamo
4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI
Corporate Chief Pilot
135 Capt
121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines
King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET


More here:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q...n&sitesearch=#

Translation: Accept our less than half-assed crapola or get banned.

It's not PFT's, nor is it mine.

It is stated right in the documentation for the ARINC 717! I posted the
timing diagrams from the document! Call Rockwell/Collins and L3 Communications.

They make the equipment. They test it. They can tell you all you want to
know.

If you are denying the manufacturer's specifications, you are simply brainwashed. I can't believe your stubborn approach to proven data from
the most credible sources!

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Is this the same software that magically draws the ground and all the images magically turbo?

And why are you listing Rob as a pilot? Do you get a portion of their merchandise sales? r maybe its just a portion of t-shirts?

 

[WildCat]

Are you still stuck on that "inch accurate" crap that Anti-sophist was spewing?

The animation is so far off, it's too far out of the sensor limits of the airplane
and recorded data!

RAD ALT +/- 1 foot!

DME +/- 0.1 nautical miles

You can't get the 'gist' of anything from that animation because it's so incorrect! It doesn't even line up with the light poles!

You load the data file, and the software displays the values. Do you understand?

How can the altimeter be different from the data file! This has NOTHING
to do with the terrain. Pressure Altitude is referenced from Sea Level!

Explain it.

You think that animation was generated automatically by software, correct?

I posted the names of the data experts on the previous page, along with
their credentials. Once again for these people too lazy to read, or research:

But there are no actual FDR experts at the PffffT, right? Or did the PffffT forget to post the names of their FDR experts on the site? You know, people who were professionally employed designing, servicing, maintaining, analysis, etc FDRs?

Of course, we all know that the PfffT has no actual FDR experts, just a bunch of hacks led by a guy who lost his medical certification to fly because of mental illness.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Dup.

 

[sleahead]

It's not PFT's, nor is it mine.

It is stated right in the documentation for the ARINC 717! I posted the
timing diagrams from the document! Call Rockwell/Collins and L3 Communications.

They make the equipment. They test it. They can tell you all you want to
know.

Turbo, have these companies signed up to Pffft? No? I wonder why not?

 

[Turbofan]

Turbo, have these companies signed up to Pffft? No? I wonder why not?

I don't see them signed up here? What's your point?

The fact that they are associated with PFT and back up their claims to the
FDR is all that we need.

Come on by when you have someone with enough of a backbone to face
Mr. Balsamo and the team.

Wildcat: You will never get it. Stop pretending you understand how the
flight animation software operates.

I asked you a simple question about pressure altitude. It is referenced to
sea level. How do you explain the error in the animation if the altimeter was
incorrectly set.

HINT: It has nothing to do with ground reference.

 

[sleahead]

I don't see them signed up here? What's your point?

The fact that they are associated with PFT and back up their claims to the
FDR is all that we need.

Da Twoof, brought to you by Pffft in association with L3 Communications. I like the sound of that. I wonder would L3 like the sound of it?

 

[bje]

Come on by when you have someone with enough of a backbone to face
Mr. Balsamo and the team.

I note that you are avoiding answering my questions just as Rob Balsamo has.

Tell you what, if you ask Rob Balsamo to lift his bans of everybody participating in this thread and demonstrates he has the backbone to face us when we ask you all questions about your claims, I will be happy to come back to PFT and show you what reality is all about.

Deal?

P.S. I am happy to do it here too. Game?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Turbo is right. And I don't see everyone signing up to anti-flat earth forums either. So they must all think the earth is flat right?

 

[OldTigerCub]

It is stated right in the documentation for the ARINC 717! I posted the
timing diagrams from the document! Call Rockwell/Collins and L3 Communications.

They make the equipment. They test it. They can tell you all you want to
know.

If you are denying the manufacturer's specifications, you are simply brainwashed. I can't believe your stubborn approach to proven data from
the most credible sources!

I don't see them signed up here? What's your point?

The fact that they (Rockwell Collins and L3 Communications) are associated with PFT and back up their claims to the
FDR is all that we need.

Come on by when you have someone with enough of a backbone to face
Mr. Balsamo and the team.

Wildcat: You will never get it. Stop pretending you understand how the
flight animation software operates.

I asked you a simple question about pressure altitude. It is referenced to
sea level. How do you explain the error in the animation if the altimeter was
incorrectly set.

HINT: It has nothing to do with ground reference.

(Bolding mine for emphasis. Italicized insert mine to clarify identity of "They")

So, Turbofan, you are claiming that the engineering departments and management of Rockwell Collins and L3 Communications expressly stand behind your argument that the FDR, claimed to be from Flight 77, was tampered with or falsely loaded with data?

Well, there ya go! All we need to concede to your argument of false FDR data is an affidavit, signed by the presidents and/or CEOs of Rockwell Collins and/or L3 Communications that they have examined the FDR in question, found it to be in good working order have worked as advertised, and that their device was tampered with by the FBI or NTSB or other nefarious NWO entity, thus invalidating the data which it was designed to store with absolute reliability.

It shouldn't be any problem at all! They built the thing after all, and I would be willing to bet that the device (the memory module, anyway) came back into their posession for at least some amount of time (They would certainly have an interest in examining it in the interest of building the next generation to be more robust and reliable). Their engineers, both software and hardware, should easily be able to detect any tampering. After all, their reputation is on the line, especially if their recorder is the key to solving the crime of the century.

Get to it! You're just about to solve the case!

Of course, 100% of the physical evidence (aside from the FDR...that's supposed to be fake ) and all of the credible eyewitness reports still prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Flight 77 was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon on 9-11.

 

[OldTigerCub]

Duplicate post...Grrrrrr.....

 

[Turbofan]

Clarification:

PFT has contacted L3 Communcations by phone and e-mail. Both documented.

Both asserting the function of their FDR.

Bje, I like your style. I'll see what the mods/admin have to say about this
'ban'.

I don't know the details, but I appreciate your offer to step up.

Let me get back to you upon receiving more info from PFT.

Regarding your questions. I felt that I have answered them fully, while
providing links, diagrams, photos, etc.

I would really like for us to debate this one, on one. Too many people
are jumping in , and we're going off topic.

Back in a while.

 

[WildCat]

Clarification:

PFT has contacted L3 Communcations by phone and e-mail. Both documented.

You contacted a salesman...

 

[Turbofan]

You contacted a salesman...

Oh dear, oh my! A salesman can't read engineering specs?

I can't believe the crap some of you reply with.

Who cares whether it's the salesman, engineer, or C.E.O. of the company?

Are the specs , or function of the FDR going to change if the engineer
talks to PFT?

BJE, I hope we can take this discussion to another level. I'm really sick of
the endless loop of runaround.