Merged Fireballs and Backdraft in WTC1 Basement and Lobby

[stateofgrace]

the fires were needed for the official conspiracy theory. Therefore.

Therefore, what? It entitles you to make up stuff and post it on internet forums and hope nobody notices how absurd it is?

Your theory is what exactly? that the nasty perps placed thermite/ thermate inside the towers, allowed planes to slam into them, and were so concerned about the fire fighting operation they decided to hinder it by blowing up the basement, right? Doesn't that kind of defeat the object of secrecy? Doesn't blowing up the basement kind of draw attention to the fact that these buildings had explosives in them?

Oh wait, the nasty preps had their figure in the button, didn't they, they could have brought down the towers when ever they wanted, made up what ever story they wanted couldn't they? But instead they blow up the basement?

What kind of fire fighting operation did they hinder by the way? How were the fire fighters ever going to fight a fire, 80 floors up, inside 55 minutes?

Incidentally, "the official conspiracy theory", what is that exactly? Care to tell us your theory? Care to give us some form of narrative as to what you believe happened? Please include the bombs in the basement that were designed to hinder the fire fighters and cover up the “operation”.



I look forward to your narrative.

 

[R.Mackey]

You are joking, right? Is this meant to be a serious answer or are you just having a laugh here?

You are seriously suggesting that the nasty perps set off explosives in the basements of the towers in order to hinder the fire fighting operation? Seriously?

They went to all the trouble of rigging each tower for controlled demolition, let planes slam into them and decide just for good measures to set of bombs in the basement because they were concerned about the fire fighting operation?

What, bloody difference was the fire fighting operation going to make when the buildings were already wired for demolition? Zero difference.

Exactly. There is also the little problem of climbing 70+ flights of stairs just to get at the fire.

This is the exact same idiotic argument that Swing Dangler offered, back on pp. 1-3 of this very thread.

Pathetic. Just pathetic.

 

[bio]

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What kind of fire fighting operation did they hinder by the way? How were the fire fighters ever going to fight a fire, 80 floors up, inside 55 minutes?

Incidentally, "the official conspiracy theory", what is that exactly? Care to tell us your theory? Care to give us some form of narrative as to what you believe happened? Please include the bombs in the basement that were designed to hinder the fire fighters and cover up the “operation”.

I look forward to your narrative.

Why 55 minutes, they could use the elevators?

 

[funk de fino]

Why 55 minutes, they could use the elevators?

Think about it

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Think about it

Think about what you're asking of him.

 

[bio]

wonderful, laughing is good for your health.
Can you give me the reason for?

 

[pomeroo]

wonderful, laughing is good for your health.
Can you give me the reason for?

Think about it.

 

[funk de fino]

wonderful, laughing is good for your health.
Can you give me the reason for?

What were the fire fighters going up there for?

Think about how they would do this.

 

[bio]

What were the fire fighters going up there for?

Think about how they would do this.

Why were they going?

 

[pomeroo]

Why were they going?

How can your approach possibly be an improvement on simply throwing in the towel?

 

[funk de fino]

Why were they going?

You know why they were going up there. It is their job. Look at the job title.

Just admit your post was stupid.

 

[bio]

why was it stupid of me to claim, that the firemen could have used more the elevators if there had not had been explosions?

 

[thewholesoul]

Wrong.

I do not need to agree with anything you say, I do not need to answer a single question you ask.

then why should I answer yours? that is why you are on ignore.

you are unable to answer my questions or address my arguments (post 430).

if i have established that the first explosion in the basemnt cannot possibly be explained by the official fireball hypothesis, so what is the point in SPECULATING over the motive and function of the basement bombs? you are unable to answer this question also.

of course i could speculate - but you have demonstrated that you still have the sama obtuse and arrogant attitude as before. if you could change you attitude i would consider answering your questions.

and i explained many times why the molten metal supports the unconventional CD hypothesis. you never explained - even once - why it supports the official NIST hypothesis who by the way have offered no explanation in their final report.

peace

 

[thewholesoul]

Just admit your post was stupid.

hey, why dont you address my post 430? whats the problem, your posts are not intelligent enough?

the FIRST basement explosion occured BELOW car 50, i know this thanks to testimony from Philip Morelli, Felipe David, Arturo Griffth and Marlene Cruz. you can read it all in premise#4

now if the explosion occured BELOW car 50 and BEFORE it reached B1 then how did the jet fuel or fireball - whichever morphology takes your fancy - pass car 50 undetected and explode below Felipe David on B1 causing him sever burn injuries?

but your not going to answer that one right?

i love glasgow celtic, are you a glasgow celtic supporter?

 

[thewholesoul]

why was it stupid of me to claim, that the firemen could have used more the elevators if there had not had been explosions?

its not, some people just like shooting their mouth off.

that is why i am considering making a new movie in the highlands, it wll be called "Brave Mouth." it will be an epic tale about a fictional character who constantly accuses others of wrong doing when he himself, at times, makes the same mistakes. it should be a big money winner at the box office.

 

[funk de fino]

why was it stupid of me to claim, that the firemen could have used more the elevators if there had not had been explosions?

You are backtracking from you claiming the fire fighters could have used the elevators to go up and fight the fires quicker than climbing the stairs.

How were they going to fight the fires once they got there in the elevator?

PS your post does not make sense, I guess you are not a native english speaker like that other truther posting in this thread?

 

[funk de fino]

its not, some people just like shooting their mouth off.

that is why i am considering making a new movie in the highlands, it wll be called "Brave Mouth." it will be an epic tale about a fictional character who constantly accuses others of wrong doing when he himself, at times, makes the same mistakes. it should be a big money winner at the box office.

That was not his claim, you fail again.

You know what they say when you have to resort to personal attacks?

I really get to you dont I? Show me one mistake I have made.

 

[Dave Rogers]

it hasnt been refuted. all you have demonstrated is that i have not proven the assumption a droplet of jet fuel falls at the same speed as a droplet of water. you have not provided any reasons why there would be a significant difference. you assume that the jet fuel droplet will fall faster but when i ask a straightforward question you avoid a straight forward answer. i think lurkers can judge for themselves how weak your argument is.

Shifting the burden of proof. You're claiming that the whole of 9-11 has to be re-evaluated on the basis of your calculation of the timing of the fireballs alone. To get even a moment's attention from anyone, your argument needs to be cast-iron and irrefutable. At the moment, you're simply saying that I can't prove your assumptions aren't true. I don't need to; unless you can prove them true, nobody cares. Jet fuel being propelled down the lift shaft by the deflagration is the default assuption here, and you've done nothing to prove that's impossible.

my argument is outlined in post 430

I read it. At best, it's a guess; you're assuming that the witness statement is accurate and that your speculative sequence of events is what really happened.

Dave

 

[Travis]

Yeah, why not use the elevators in a building that had just had a major explosion in the elevator shafts causing several elevators to plummet when their cables were cut?

It's not as dangerous as freebasing mercury which I do on weekends.

 

[stateofgrace]

then why should I answer yours? that is why you are on ignore.

you are unable to answer my questions or address my arguments (post 430).

if i have established that the first explosion in the basemnt cannot possibly be explainedby the official fireball hypothesis, so what is the point in SPECULATING over the motive and function of the basement bombs? you are unable to answer this question also.

of course i could speculate - but you have demonstrated that you still have the sama obtuse and arrogant attitude as before. if you could change you attitude i would consider answering your questions.

and i explained many times why the molten metal supports the unconventional CD hypothesis. you never explained - even once - why it supports the official NIST hypothesis who by the way have offered no explanation in their final report.

peace

Really?

Let me get this straight, you offer up wide speculation which other members of this forum have addressed, you ignore them and arrogantly declare victory, right?

Your arrogance holds no bounds does it? You arrogantly demand answers to your wild speculation and refuse to offer any plausible reason as why anybody would take you seriously. You even have the shear arrogance to defend your fellow troofer who makes even wilder and stupid speculation than yourself.

The arrogance comes from you, who gladly wishes to accuse his fellow countrymen of being involved in mass murder and demand that others give you some form of respect. You deserve nothing, the burden to disprove your speculation does not lie with me or anybody for that matter,it lies with you to prove you are correct. The burden that you arrogantly dismiss in order to promote rubbish and accusations of mass murder. You arrogantly dismiss NIST, you arrogantly demand answers from people and throw temper tantrums when, rather than answer your questions, some people decide they would like answers to some of their own question. You arrogantly believe that you are the only person on the planet who is entitled to ask questions and demand answers you refuse to be subject to the same criteria yourself.

You have proved nothing, you have nothing and you know it. If you had anything you wouldn't be here you would be presenting your "evidence" to the world’s media, the scientific community or the engineering community. But of course you will not, your shear arrogance will not will not allow for this. In your little world it is better to keep the dream alive, arrogantly ask questions, demand answers and throw temper tantrums when you get answers you don't like.

Of course you could prove me wrong and present your "evidence" to the authorities, present it to the engineering/ scientific community or even the world’s media. If not why not?

What you see as arrogant in members on this forum is nothing more than the dismissal that you and your ilk deserve.Your bombs in the basement theory holds no water and you know it, there is zero reason why anybody would put bombs in the basement of a building and set them off as the planes hit many floors above. Your "bombs" in the basement serves no purpose whatsoever , there was zero reason for them, they would have served zero purpose, hence he reason you prefer not offer any motive for them being there.You can offer zero reason for them being there because there was zero reason for anybody to place bombs in the basement.No motive, zero, you fail.


To date you have failed miserably to answer the most basic of questions regarding your theories, you have arrogantly dismissed these basic questions because as you know, they show you for what you really are. That being an individual who is so arrogant he would accuse perfectly innocent people of being involved in mass murder on nothing other than his own wild speculation.

Ps, welcome to ignore.

peace.