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Null Physics anyone?

I don't think it the best scientific approach to discrediting the questionable individuals theories or assumptions. <big snip>

Let me ask you something, first-time-poster number 15 or so in this thread:

suppose somebody came along claiming to have a new theory of medicine.

Listen, she said, all this overly complicated nonsense with "bacteria", "viruses", surgery, etc. it's all garbage. I have a new theory that's much simpler and better, and you just have to pay me $60 and I'll send you my book about it. I haven't been able to publish it in journals because the Establishment is infected by groupthink and is suppressing it.

Oh and by the way, here are a few excerpts - letting blood is good for you (it balances the humors), colds are best cured with leeches, and drilling holes in your skull will let you think more freely.

What do you think the reaction would be? What do you think the reaction should be?
 
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I think you'll find that the findings published were somewhat surprising, and generated a flurry of new work (observations, analyses).

Dark energy was needed to make the universe flat, or nearly so.

Way before the publication of the paper you refer to, cosmologists were aware of the shortcoming of ordinary and dark matter to sum to the critical density needed to make the universe flat.

Dark energy was needed, you see. Their published report claimed to have found direct evidence of dark energy. Woohoo! The current model was apparently vindicated, and there was a whole bunch of new work generated. Of course, everybody is happy.

As I mentioned before, the publication of this paper was a poor example of "publication of ideas outside the paradigm"
 
That's funny, because I'm curious why the folks on this thread aren't reading Witt's book and saying "Witt is wrong about X", or "Witt's Y in Chaper 12 is a poor description of the data", or "Equation Z on page 234 is incorrect, so null physics has a big problem."

Heck, Witt's now giving the book away, and some on this thread still won't look at it.

You should look at my last post. I mention several specific problems with his theory that I've asked him about directly. Its kind of funny, in any other circumstance actually talking to the author would be considered a better source of info than reading the book. The author can clarify things that may not have been clear in the text, they can make sure the ideas proposed are 100% up to date(even Witt admits that there are new results that his book would do well to incorporate), and honestly, even though Witt may not like to admit it, I think he's advocating a slightly different position than he did initially*. The importance of meeting in person is why scientists go to conferences so much. But in this case, apparently, we're criticized because the ideas are so complex and awesome that they can only be communicated in this book. They just can't possibly come across in an interactive format....That is suspicious. Good scientific ideas are generally simple things that people missed or overlooked, from which you can derive amazing, complex, and far reaching conclusions. If he can't get this idea of the elegant geometry of null physics across, then it is a problem.

*I think the fact that he has shifted his position somewhat is actually a good thing. Modifying and improving a theory in response to criticism is always good, no matter how wild the theory is.

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Seriously, I'm talking about (probably) a thousand really dedicated people. You can learn about some of them from www.crank.net. Some that I've encountered: Autodynamics, Gyron Aether Theory, Common Sense Science, Basic Particle Theory, GEM Unification Theory, Infinite Hierarchical Fractal Theory, Photon Structure, Theory of Elementary Waves (all on the Web); five or ten people at the APS April meeting every year; if I rack my brain I can probably come up with a few more. So please don't think that Witt qualifies as an especially brave and deep thinking individual simply because he's challenged Big Science by writing a whole book. It happens all the time. If there's anything different in Witt's deep thinking, it has to be in the detailed contents of his new theory, not simply the fact that he has one.
Seriously. This person keeps spamming my entire department. Even the secretaries. It always begins the same way "Attiyah's Sun theory is the most revolutionary theory of astronomy."
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=120544&st=0

Ugggg....
 
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I'm lost because I don't think your first sentence makes any grammatical sense.

While we're on the subject of Feynman, perhaps this might help.

Hi Tubbythin
Yes, I am aware of the quoted Feynman diagram.
Perhaps this will make my sentence a bit clearer. sorry for the poor grammar.
Feynman once postulated that the reason all electrons are identical was because there is only one of them.
This electron whizzes around the universe becoming part of everything, thus only one electron required in the entire universe.
I was suggesting that this is true for all particles in the particle zoo.
also remember that the specific post was made tongue in cheek and I saisd that I was being cynical. Just as Jeremy Bernstein was being cynical when he likened life as an academic to a perpetual motion machine.It just sits there working away with no additional infusion of energy.

I am going to start a new post with regards to Philosophy, science and cranks sometime later this week.
I hope you will participate.

I also note that some posters on this forum are posting on the null physics forum and are being replied to by Witt himself.
surprisingly, some of them are actually agreeing that they may have be mistaken about their initial assumptions.

I think that that is a fair way to go about your reservations rather than baying for blood and appealing to mob instinct to brand the man as a crank.


The other issue I had when I said you cant have it both ways( you only commented on the first one)

1.If the quark was made of nothing then the neutron and proton have something in common (the something being nothing)
When I suggested that the neutron and proton have commonalities wrt the building blocks you told me I was wrong and 100 years of science proved that. now you say that there is commonality, namely quarks, albeit of different spins.

The other issue, you aked if I am Jerome de Gnome.
Who the *#@% is he?
 
Hi Skwinty,

Hi Tubbythin
Yes, I am aware of the quoted Feynman diagram.
Perhaps this will make my sentence a bit clearer. sorry for the poor grammar.
Feynman once postulated that the reason all electrons are identical was because there is only one of them.
This electron whizzes around the universe becoming part of everything, thus only one electron required in the entire universe.
I was suggesting that this is true for all particles in the particle zoo.
also remember that the specific post was made tongue in cheek and I saisd that I was being cynical. Just as Jeremy Bernstein was being cynical when he likened life as an academic to a perpetual motion machine.It just sits there working away with no additional infusion of energy.
Ok. Its sometimes difficult to tell.

I am going to start a new post with regards to Philosophy, science and cranks sometime later this week.
I hope you will participate.
I probably will.

I also note that some posters on this forum are posting on the null physics forum and are being replied to by Witt himself.
surprisingly, some of them are actually agreeing that they may have be mistaken about their initial assumptions.

I think that that is a fair way to go about your reservations rather than baying for blood and appealing to mob instinct to brand the man as a crank.
Possibly. Though I don't actually recall calling him a crank.

The other issue I had when I said you cant have it both ways( you only commented on the first one)

1.If the quark was made of nothing then the neutron and proton have something in common (the something being nothing)
When I suggested that the neutron and proton have commonalities wrt the building blocks you told me I was wrong and 100 years of science proved that. now you say that there is commonality, namely quarks, albeit of different spins.
I don't think I've ever denied they have a lot in common. As far as "we" can tell, the strong force doesn't know the difference between them! I was saying the last 100 years of science has shown us that the neutron is not a bound state consisting of a proton and an electron (with or without an antineutrino).

The other issue, you aked if I am Jerome de Gnome.
Who the *#@% is he?
Nevermind. The quote I was responding to sounded like the sort of thing another poster on this board might say. Particularly use of the word conjecture.
 
Hi Tubbythin
I didn't mean to imply that you said Witt was a crank, just that the majority of opinions on this thread do imply that he is a crank.
 
Baseless (null) physics

In commenting on this "new" physics theory (soon to be educated in the physics dept. in the universitie near you), let us first see what this "new physics" is aimed at, as explained by it's author.
Null Physics attacks the problem from the other pole, starting with the toughest question of all: “why does the universe exist?”. Its premise is that if you can’t provide a rational, complete answer to this question, your physical theories will always contain gaping philosophical holes, and you will forever be unable to explain the universe to any great depth.

So, the thoughest question of all, mankind has stumbled upon read like: "why does the universe exists". This question is not brought up for the first time in history, and most often the question is put forward in the following format: "why is there something (anything at all) instead of nothing?".

This question, coined by some people as "The fundamental question of Philosphy" and attributed (amongst others) to Leibnitz, has been brought up by different people during the course of history, and is in no way a "new" question to be asked. The only "new" thing about it is perhaps that the term is asked in the context of a physics theory, although in fact, the question itself is not of any relevance to physics, and does not even belong there, since physics explains the physical world purely and solely at the basis of what physics can (empirically) testify and verify through experiment.

So, for example, the law of gravity is something that physics can explore, because we have material mass-having bodies to our disposal of which we can experimentally testify what kind of laws govern their motion. Laws, as in the case of the law of gravity, are not products of pure thought, and are not made up from thin air, but are definately rooted upon experimentally verifiable facts, which is, they express a certain fact or aspect of reality, which can be experimentally verified. Physics can not be the result of pure thought (how well formed and formulated that thought may or may not be expressed) alone, since in all cases the outside, objective existing material / physical world is both the source for physical descriptions and ultimate arbiter of descriptions we find usefull for expressing a certain fact or aspect of physical reality.

That said, it can be pretty obvious that phyics can only describe objectively existing physical realities. Which excludes and dismisses the physicist from having to describe non-existing, non-physical realities. This off course limits the task of physics.
In most general terms it is not the task of physics to respond any ponderable or unponderable question the human mind can come up with, unless it definately is in the domain of physics. And being bound to that, the only way physics can describe the objective physical world is in terms of physical entities. As for instance the law of gravity can only be explained in terms of mass-having bodies, and all attempts to make physical laws without those real existing physical bodies, would be rather fruitless. Since physical laws have no seperate existing onto themselves, but from the motion of bodies they describe.
This short introduction is deemed necessary I think to get us focussed on what the task of physics is, and thereby also discriminate against those kind of questions, physics should be silent on, as it has nothing to say on it.
That said it might be quit obvious that - in all instances - the working assumption (and most often a priori assumed) and basic condition is that we have the context of an existing physical reality, which is open for investigation, which means: it has observables (and which are themselves physical entities) and observers, which also means that observables and observers can interact.
This means that types of questions, which by their nature divert from these a priori assumptions/context, are not the type of questions physics should have a word on.
So, physics is the study of how material entities and physical observables interact, as can be experimentally (by observation and/or experimentation) verified and testified.

As to the nature of the question put forward of the author of the "null hypothesis" as to "why does the universe exists" is can be pretty clear that such a question does not in any way belong to the questions physics should be concerned with, and even if it would, is able of answering.
This can be made clear as the question most often reads like: "why does something (the universe, anything at all) exists instead of nothing".

Put in physics terms, this could be translated to: what physical law, or entity, caused the universe to exist, instead of not-exist. This then immediately reads into explain me the origin or cause (in terms of physical forces, bodies, entities, laws) were responsible for the existence of the universe, with the implicit assumption that none of those physical entities, bodies, laws and whatever there can exist physically can be assumed to exist.
And it is of course necessary to see that (although not explicitly mentioned in the original formulation of the question as put forward of the author of the "null physics" theory) the added assumption of not assuming there is any physical reality, is of course an implicit assumption which was hidden in the question.
The necessity of adding this is to reveal the hidden assumption implicit in the question, as to ask a "why" question (as in the general form of "why is it the case that X?") this realy is only a meaningfull question if it can be assumed that (given certain conditions/circumstances) X was not the case (i.e. can not be ruled out by definition).
For example, if the question was stated as: "why is it the case that earth has a moon?", one could without too much difficulty ascertain that the negation of that (earth without a moon) could have been the case, and can not be ruled out completely or by definition.
So, in general there are numerous cases in which the question of the form: "Why is it the case that X?" is a meaningfull question, since X need not necessarily be the case.

The case of the question where X reads "there is a universe" however has the remarkable property that it's negation (there not be a universe) must be ruled out by definition, as such can not possible have been, be or ever be the case.
So, in that case, X is true by definition, and not at the basis of any physical fact, entity or law, they have simply nothing to do with it.
Even in the case one is not totally convinced of that fact, try to think of any possible physical entity, body or law, which could be proposed as a possible answer to the question, and then realise that as soon as we introduce any physical entity at all - which we may name P, we already introduced the thing we needed to explain, namely that there is a universe (instead of none), which by the same question, needs to be explained, which then reads as: why does P exist (and for which then we might introduce another physical entity Q, and then be asked the same question again: why does Q exist, etc.etc.).
So in other words, there is no entity of physical nature that can ever explain that fact, because the truth of the conditional X does not depend on any specific physical entity/condition, but is "true by definition". (*)
[ Or perhaps, we could state in a somewhat retarded way that the universe is or contains it's own (physical) causes of existence, and needs no (or can have no) outside (physical) causes (since, if they existed, they would already be part of the universe), but such a way of answering this question ("Why is it the case that X?" "Because X!" is not commonly seen as a sensible answer, since we request the answer to be stated in terms different then the posited 'thing' (however, the universe is not a 'thing').]

In other words, within the domain of physics, there is no possibility of answering this type of question, and the very nature of the question, already disqualifies the question of being answerable at the basis of physics, since the basic premise, that there is a physical reality which is observable with physical means, has been ruled out by the question itself, which has the result that the question disqualifies itself as being answerable within the physics domain.

Whatever the answer to that question may be in any other knowledge domain, any answer that might fit as an answer to that question, is definately not part of physical reality and not expressible in terms of physical entities, and therefore should not be of any concern for physics.

And as to the theory, which states itself as a physics theory, which proclaims about itself that it's main purpose is to answer such non-physical questions, it can be already clear that it can not bring us any new "physics" as it has in fact nothing to base itself on.

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(*) a more "physical" expression of this would be that since the universe contains matter/energy, and which are by conservation laws never created/destroyed but only transformed/changed, matter/energy has been always there and will be always there.


For those that still want to engage in unponderable questions, here is some other question, this time belonging to the field of computation.

A. Please show the result of the computation of the sum of the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4, which are to be read from file X, assuming no such file X exists.

Or, the more difficult variant:

B. Same as in A. but this time, assume the computer does not exist.
 
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I did...where do you think my "but some people aren't even interested in his book if it's free" comment came from?

And I responded to it in my previous post: If the author cannot provide any indication of how they deal with the common major physical problems which their theory entails in conversation, then there is no reason to delve any further into the explanation by reading the book.
 
Wow! Take some months off and... I'm used to small, more private forums so I forget that these threads can grow to this size.

I thought I'd jump in not quite on the topic of Null physics at hand, but on the topic of physics crackpots. I've spent some of my precious young adult years searching woo-woo for answers. I've spent a good effort making a final cut with it all, and now I'm catching up on more rational, and personally suitable, areas of study, physics being among them. The pop science books, particularly physics, have peaked my interest and given me some ideas. But, given my experience with woo-woo, I've made damned sure that I don't fall into the pit of half-assed effort producing half-baked claims. The solution, of course, is an education. (Smart people gather into groups to share ideas for a reason. Peer review means a reality check, as we know. I've known a few smart people who have shunned peer review as well as social lives. They tend to be crackpots.)

I have made a few observations that I thought I'd share. I hope they are in some way helpful. Perhaps redundant. Either way, I'd like to let the career physicists on this forum know that they are being heard. I may be wrong in what I'm about to write, but I'll write it anyway.

1- Intuition does not equal clairvoyance. I'm no neurologist, but my intuition on intuition is that it is, more or less, a subconscious response anticipating environmental patterns learned about directly through sensory experience. Quantum particles don't operate on macroscopic patterns and are thus counter-intuitive. To add to that, particles aren't people. We can't intuit particle interactions based upon human interactions.

2- One's native language is not an adequate substitute for mathematics. Language contains nuances and double-meanings which are subject to individual interpretation, so long as we're all speaking the same language. Equations, while symbolic like language, while nuanced like language, while telling a story of relations like language, is precise in that the symbols for the nuances and double-meanings are agreed upon as meaning certain things in certain situations by mathematicians world-wide. At least, that's what I've understood from the math books I'm studying. Equations are pretty straightforward. I feel it safe to say that equations aren't likely to lie.

3- The world of physics is not American Idol. No Simon. No Randy. No Paula. No record contract. No Hollywood. There's a little bit more to academia than seeking Einstein-level fame. (And wouldn't it be fun if physicists had their own groupies?) Let's say that turning in the final theory to a credible peer-reviewed journal does grant access to career avenues. I don't know the reality of this scenario, but let's say it does. Congratulations! What will the next decades be? Research or teaching? Or any of the other lines of, well, work that the rest of the body of scientists are busy doing? From my vantage point as a layperson, my best guess is that position is earned more than it is awarded, if it is awarded at all.

4- The final theory better damn well be the final theory! My father once warned me against creating invisible deadlines. Meaning, it's not wise to pit yourself in a race with imagined variables thinking that you must be at a certain point at a certain time, especially if the course of your life is altered. If you were chasing a sunset but your trail curves back to the east, you aren't going to find a sunset. Likewise, do... the... math! Give it time. Go back. Do the math again. Repeat. I'm guessing that's how the pro's do it. (Am I wrong in guessing that?) The final theory may not be the final theory, if such a thing is possible. It won't be the final theory if the math is insufficient. Comparisons to Newton, Maxwell, Feynman, Einstein, or... Galileo in the court of the Inquisition aren't in any way a substitute.

After saying all this, let me repeat: I'm a layperson. I'm not a trained physicist, but these are my observations reading about the world of physics. Please correct me if I am wrong, and I apologize in advance for any undue offense simply because I admit my lack of ability to debate key points with hard data that I simply don't have at my disposal. If any of you I may have offended in any way are an independent theoretical physicist with a proposal for the theory of everything who avoids clairvoyance, language over math, fame for fame's sake, and competes only with your own ignorance for a deeper understanding of the natural world rather than against real or imagined contestants for the title of Einstein's successor, then all power to you!
 
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I think that almost no real physicist would be deeply inspired by a type of question like "why is there a universe" and do not think that a large number of physicists - from the point of view of physics - would find such a question worth spending much time on, and is for sure not the toughest question current physicists ponder about (more reasonable candidates would be: the origin of dark matter/energy, how to reconcile quantum mechanics with general relativity, and/or wether there is super-symmetry, as some of the more urgent questions current physics is occupied with), let alone that the question itself is not really a physics question at all (but belongs more to philosophy/meta-physics).
However, despite my reasoning in the post above, there exists of course a perfectly viable reasoning why there is a universe, which I already partly explained as based on the conservation of matter/energy. Since matter/energy are neither destroyed nor created, and no mechanism in nature has been ever detected that realy violates this conservation rule, the case of virtual particles as an aside being just the exception that affirms the rule, and which has the explenation that it is very likely that the vacuum does contain some energy to make it possible for such particles to exist.
In physical terminology that is pretty much everything that can be explained about that question.
Perhaps in addition one should say that the notion that matter/energy can only be transformed, but never destroyed or created does not contradict the Big bang theory, since that theory does not make any statement - in so far it stays strictly within the boundaries of what scientific theories can describe - about some ultimate origin of the universe, and as a whole, the Big bang theory does not state that the Big bang was the origin of matter/energy, space and time, and merely just describes how the universe evolved from an initial hot and dense state with unknown origin into a much larger and cooler present state. The Big bang theory therefore does not form the reason or origin of the universe, as the universe was already in existence then, and - based on the conservation of matter/energy - had in fact been in existence for an indefinite time before that and will be in existence for an indefinite time past that. Physics in general tries not to discriminate between points in space and/or points in time, to which it is to say that the laws of physical apply equally well in all points of space and all points of time and has no specially formed manifolds for space-time that contain special points like boundaries or edges, which is to say space extends in all 3 dimensions without any known limit, and also extends in time in both directions without limit.
This may not be a view that physics has univocally adapted (although the no-boundary proposal is commonly adapted), since theoretically speaking no measurement can realy distinguish between a realy flat (=infinite spatial extend) and almost flat (=finite but very large spatial extend) universe, but to the least, is not in contrast with any current scientific theory.
 
Just a few quick questions from a "newbie" to this website, -- though hardly such a newbie to the debunking of pseudoscience. 1.] Is Witt actually giving away FREE copies of the book? 2.] What do I have to do to get said free copy? [After all, learning the secret to the species-stumping "cosmic riddle" of why the universe exists at all should at least be worth THAT price!] 3.] Who is bankrolling the ENORMOUS promotion of this book? By my quick, and hardly scientific, calculations, no publisher in the world can be currently spending as much on advertising one of its new releases as Witt and Co. The ads are popping up in virtually EVERY American science magazine I've read. He even has a two page COLOR spread in the lastest Scientific American. That must cost a bundle in itself! 4.] If I write him a glowing review of the FREE copy I receive -- should I receive it, that is -- can I get MY hands on some of that fortune myself? After all, even my humble credentials would bring him more clout than the plugs he currently has proudly listed on his website from such qualified folks as "a retired engineer," "sales manager," "RN," and surely most impressive of all, a genuine "Physics student"!! 5.] With all the promotion, why are no copies turning up on the new and used book search engines? I just checked Amazon and Addall and neither one has any copies, new or used, for sale. 6.] Is the answer to 5.] simply that everyone who buys a copy is so thoroughly convinced by Witt's irrefragable logic and thoroughly comprehensive explanation of the vexing enigmas of the cosmos that no one can bear to part with such a philosopher's stone?
 
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Just a few quick questions from a "newbie" to this website, -- though hardly such a newbie to the debunking of pseudoscience. 1.] Is Witt actually giving away FREE copies of the book? 2.] What do I have to do to get said free copy? [After all, learning the secret to the species-stumping "cosmic riddle" of why the universe exists at all should at least be worth THAT price!] 3.] Who is bankrolling the ENORMOUS promotion of this book? By my quick, and hardly scientific, calculations, no publisher in the world can be currently spending as much on advertising one of its new releases as Witt and Co. The ads are popping up in virtually EVERY American science magazine I've read. He even has a two page COLOR spread in the lastest Scientific American. That must cost a bundle in itself! 4.] If I write him a glowing review of the FREE copy I receive -- should I receive it, that is -- can I get MY hands on some of that fortune myself? After all, even my humble credentials would bring him more clout than the plugs he currently has proudly listed on his website from such qualified folks as "a retired engineer," "sales manager," "RN," and surely most impressive of all, a genuine "Physics student"!! 5.] With all the promotion, why are no copies turning up on the new and used book search engines? I just checked Amazon and Addall and neither one has any copies, new or used, for sale. 6.] Is the answer to 5.] simply that everyone who buys a copy is so thoroughly convinced by Witt's irrefragable logic and thoroughly comprehensive explanation of the vexing enigmas of the cosmos that no one can bear to part with such a philosopher's stone?

1] & 2] His forum at http://www.ourundiscovereduniverse.com/forum/ may still be giving away copies (PM percygrail).

3] Terence Witt is bankrolling the promotion and the publication of his book (through a publishing company that has only published this book).

4] Ask him but the answer should be no.

5] No resale value?


6] Probably not. His logic is not impeccable. Many people will stop reading about page 44 when he states that infinity has a magnitude, that this is preserved under addition, subtraction, multiplication and division and then gives equations 2.8 and 2.9
  • infinity + 1 > infinity
  • infinity (infinity + 1 ) = infinity2 + infinity
 
Many people will stop reading about page 44 when he states that infinity has a magnitude, that this is preserved under addition, subtraction, multiplication and division and then gives equations 2.8 and 2.9
  • infinity + 1 > infinity
  • infinity (infinity + 1 ) = infinity2 + infinity

Wow - what a genius! If only the centuries of mathematicians that struggled to formalize the concept of infinity and cardinalities could have had access to Witt's incredible mathematical insights. Now they'll have to go back and re-do most of the last two centuries of mathematics...

This whole story might be a little sad, except that the way I see it this is just an efficient transfer of wealth from some rich guy to science magazines, and that isn't a bad thing.
 
Just took a look at Witt's forum:

terrywitt said:
3. NP defines infinity as a magnitude equal to the universe's diameter. It is not a magical thing; it is a real thing.

So infinity has dimensions of length? If so, the equation above (with infinity+1) is a little problematic, isn't it? (But then, Witt has never demonstrated much understanding of the advanced concept of "units".) Or is he measuring everything in, say, feet? I wonder what would happen if he measured infinity in inches instead...
 
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Like so many others, I was drawn to this forum after doing an Internet search motivated by an ad for the book in "Science News."
As a matter of background, I am merely a mathematician, but I am an avid reader about science -- magazines (e.g.: "Scientific American,") and books (e.g.: Brian Greene, Richard Dawkins). So, I am by no means qualified to judge Terrence Witt's theses. The mathematics I saw in his "white papers" seemed to be innocuous enough, neither revealing nor condemning, however I lack the background to judge any questions about consistency with experimental results.
I have read numerous books and articles about relativity, the "standard model" and the big bang thesis. I must admit, over many decades, I have reluctantly accepted the big bang thesis. Ad hoc stuff like "inflation" and the question of what existed before, "something out of nothing," etc. have left me skeptical. But the evidence appears to be overwhelming.
Consequently, Witt's comments about explaining the cosmological red shift as a consequence of gravity and not expansion peaked my interest. The arguments about the "standard model" did not get my initial attention, even though it has been a hot topic on this forum, and has proven for some people to be a revealing area of weakness for Witt.
So, I came here with high hopes of finding an alternative to the "big bang." I have read virtually all the posts here and found myself at times straddling the middle. The are a lot of very knowledgeable people posting here, but it's difficult to make judgements without knowing the specifics of the credentials of the posters. (Terrence Witt's credentials are certainly questionable).
Now, I see a few posts ago the claim that on page 44 of his book the statements are made:

infinity + 1 > infinity
infinity (infinity + 1 ) = infinity2 + infinity

Is that really true? Is there any context that would forgive these statements? Am I missing something? If these statements were actually made in any meaningful context, and not some kind of joke or intentional goof, unfortunately, Witt is reduce to a crank, a looney, a fraud!
Thank all of you for a very entertaining day reading 11 pages of posts.
 
Hi Perpetual Student

Check out the Null Physics forum.
A few of the posters on this thread are asking Witt lots of questions and he is answering them. Patiently and politely.
I think some of them are actually being surprised with his answers.
Some of these posters are logging in excess of 140 posts.

Just a thought!
 
Like so many others, I was drawn to this forum after doing an Internet search motivated by an ad for the book in "Science News."
As a matter of background, I am merely a mathematician, but I am an avid reader about science -- magazines (e.g.: "Scientific American,") and books (e.g.: Brian Greene, Richard Dawkins). So, I am by no means qualified to judge Terrence Witt's theses. The mathematics I saw in his "white papers" seemed to be innocuous enough, neither revealing nor condemning, however I lack the background to judge any questions about consistency with experimental results.
I have read numerous books and articles about relativity, the "standard model" and the big bang thesis. I must admit, over many decades, I have reluctantly accepted the big bang thesis. Ad hoc stuff like "inflation" and the question of what existed before, "something out of nothing," etc. have left me skeptical. But the evidence appears to be overwhelming.
Consequently, Witt's comments about explaining the cosmological red shift as a consequence of gravity and not expansion peaked my interest. The arguments about the "standard model" did not get my initial attention, even though it has been a hot topic on this forum, and has proven for some people to be a revealing area of weakness for Witt.
So, I came here with high hopes of finding an alternative to the "big bang." I have read virtually all the posts here and found myself at times straddling the middle. The are a lot of very knowledgeable people posting here, but it's difficult to make judgements without knowing the specifics of the credentials of the posters. (Terrence Witt's credentials are certainly questionable).
Now, I see a few posts ago the claim that on page 44 of his book the statements are made:

infinity + 1 > infinity
infinity (infinity + 1 ) = infinity2 + infinity

Is that really true? Is there any context that would forgive these statements? Am I missing something? If these statements were actually made in any meaningful context, and not some kind of joke or intentional goof, unfortunately, Witt is reduce to a crank, a looney, a fraud!
Thank all of you for a very entertaining day reading 11 pages of posts.
His white papers are fairly tame mathematically. For some reason he has not submitted his null geometry theory to any mathematics or physics journal. But his "Einstein's Nonphysical Geometry" white paper is in the process of being peer reviewed. It states that the Schwarzschild metric (and so GR in general) is "nonphysical" beacuse he calculates a divergence in the % change in lengths as you get further way from the black hole.
I personally have doubts about it since he uses an approximation rather than the exact solution for distance between two spatial points. Whether an equation diverges in a limit is depends stringly on the exact form of the equation.
If you are interested then he looks at the integration of a 1/r function between R and infinity which he equates to ln(infinty) - ln(R) to get infinity. This seems reasonable.
But the exact solution (see equation 8 in this PDF) is much more complex. My guess is that it varies as the reciprocal of the square root of r. This would then be divided by r to get a % change in lengths. I am not mathematically savvy enough to see if the exact solution diverges faster then 1/r or not.

The context of

infinity + 1 > infinity
infinity (infinity + 1 ) = infinity2 + infinity
is the statement that "infinity = the magnitude of the diameter of the universe" a few pages earlier. This assigns infinity a "magnitude" which he then uses to justify the 2 statements.
 

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