Merged Barry Jennings Says There Were Dead People in WTC 7!!!!

[Galileo]

This is highly doubtful. According to Mr. Jennings, he first received a call some time after the first plane struck at 8:46 (he doesn't indicate how long after the fact, but there is no reason to think that he would be among the very first people called to the scene, so I think it's safe to say that it took a while before he was notified), and then he had to make arrangements to meet Mr. Hess, and then he had to meet with Mr. Hess, and then he had to travel to 7WTC, and then the two of them went up to the 23rd floor but couldn't get in, and then they had to go back down to the lobby, and then they had to find someone to escort them back up to the 23rd floor which was, by that time empty, etc.

Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't fit the known facts or the accounts of anyone else who was on the scene that day.

It doesn't matter if you think its unlikely. The fact is, Jennings was near WTC 7 when the first plane hit. Like a good emergency worker, he went right to the 23rd floor as soon as he could. That doesn't take very long. He said he was there by 9:03 when the second plane hit. It also matches what he said later, as that gave him 56 minutes to go down to the 6th floor and then back up to the 8th floor, break out a window, and flag down a fireman.

 

[LashL]

He is basing the time on a "video analysis" by the proven liar and guano infested idiot and theologian DRG. Guess suddenly DRG has been promoted to god status

Oh, my.

You mean to tell me that somebody on the planet still believes the crap that the liar, fool, fraud, and charlatan Griffin pumps out?

Really?

 

[tj15]

Where was Jennings when the first airplane impacted the North tower?

 

[~enigma~]

Oh, my.

You mean to tell me that somebody on the planet still believes the crap that the liar, fool, fraud, and charlatan Griffin pumps out?

Really?

Sad but true...

 

[quicknthedead]

you're confused. Jennings has been consistent in every interview. Some of the power was knocked out by the plane impacts.

NIST also lied in their report when they left out the word explosion. According to NIST, dust and debris settled into the stairwell, but no explosion is mentioned.

What NIST says is secondhand info, what Jennings says is firsthand. NIST needs to release the recordings of their interview with Jennings Until then, what they say about Jennings is hearsay.

No, you are mistaken because you do not know the facts. You could not possibly have read the short, simple information in my link.

You are in such a big hurry to be right; but you never will be until you take the necessary time and become a real investigator, even if this means following a trail that may take you where you don't really think the truth will be.

This time take this link and read the links inside of it (it is not much information, but these are the facts):
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3723485#post3723485


The power went out in WTC7 when WTC2 came down.
Why not live up to your namesake and explore a little?

The truth is out there...and in this case it is from Jennings and Hess themselves.

 

[LashL]

I never heard any coverage until 2006.

I see. Well, you do realize, don't you, that the fact that you were personally unaware of the coverage for five years does not mean that it didn't exist, and does not mean that others here were unaware of it, right? Right?

11:34 is cited in chapter 24 of Griffin's new book, 9/11 Contradictions, with his sources.

Griffin is not a reliable source, sorry. Do you have anything else in support of your assertion?

He has a video of Jennings interview with a time stamp.

I doubt it. Griffin is not a reliable source, so it won't do to take his word for it. You're going to have to show me. Sharing the video here so that those with the relevant expertise can analyze it will do just fine. Please post it asap.

Sometimes you debunkers need to forget there's a world out there outside of the Internet.

My irony meter just exploded.

ETA: And he didn't mention seeing dead people in 7WTC, which is the subject matter of this thread. Not in 2001 and not in 2007.

 

[Galileo]

Indeed. I agree, and all of the evidence agrees with this as well.

(Except for Jennings' claims in 2007 to the Loose with the Truth crew that he was on the 23rd floor at 0903, which is obviously not accurate, but the man was obviously confused when he said that.)

You have no evidence at all that Jennings is confused. You just don't believe him because what he and Hess say destroy your 9/11 conspiracy theory.

The NIST report doesn't even have Jennings or Hess' name in it. Good thing, because they hoped that Jennings would never discover that what he said was changed.

The evidence shows that NIST altered what Jennings has said in many interviews. NIST does not have any witnesses who contradict him either. NIST needs to produce their interview with Jennings, the taxpayers paid for it.

Jennings was in the east stairwell, far away from where any debris damage hit WTC 7.

Jennings was also near the area where the fire was seen out the window on the 7th floor, north face. That explosion is suspect number one for starting that fire.

Jennings was also near the area where the FEMA thermal maps show hot spots days after 9/11, hot spots from the explosion that almost killed Jennings and Hess.

Jennings was also near the area where NIST says "critical" failure occurred. But now when know that critical failure was related to the exploisions.

And remember, FEMA was told to only investigate WTC 7 from the 7 to 46th floor. Nice, since the Jennings explosion was below the 6th floor and the east penthouse was on the 47th floor.

And to top it all off, the fire alarm system was turned off at 6:47 A.M. This has never been followed up. If you want to commit arson or let a fire burn, turn off the fire alarms first. Who turned it off an why? This was a very high security building, not just anyone can do this.

I use this site to test theories by the 9/11 truth movement, to see which one are wrong, which ones we don't know, and which ones are right. The debunking so far on Jennings has been very LAME. L-A-M-E.

Jennings is right and you are wrong. Please don't let the facts get in the way of your theories.

 

[Arus808]

Jennings is wrong. OTHER witnesses including Hess are right. Dont let REALITY get in the way of your fantasy

 

[LashL]

It doesn't matter if you think its unlikely. The fact is, Jennings was near WTC 7 when the first plane hit. Like a good emergency worker, he went right to the 23rd floor as soon as he could. That doesn't take very long. He said he was there by 9:03 when the second plane hit. It also matches what he said later, as that gave him 56 minutes to go down to the 6th floor and then back up to the 8th floor, break out a window, and flag down a fireman.

Now, you're just making things up. You have no idea where he was when the first plane hit. You have no idea how long it was before he received a call telling him about it. You have no idea how long it took for him to make arrangements to meet with Mr. Hess. You have no idea how long it took for them to get to 7WTC. You have no idea how long it took for them to make their way up to 23 the first time. You have no idea how long it took to make their way back to the lobby. You have no idea how long it took for them to find an escort to take them back up to 23. You have no idea how long they were up there while making several phone calls. You have no idea how long it was before they experienced the first indication of something wrong (the collapse of 2WTC) while on 23. You have no idea how long it took them to find a staircase and make their way down before the collapse of 1WTC. Etc. etc. etc.

This is a skeptics forum. You'll have to do better. Bring facts and evidence or don't bother.

All of the evidence to date demonstrates that Mr. Jennings is plainly wrong if he believes he was on the 23rd floor of 7WTC before 0903.

ETA: And he didn't mention seeing dead people in 7WTC, which is the subject matter of this thread. Not in 2001 and not in 2007.

 

[quicknthedead]

Indeed. I agree, and all of the evidence agrees with this as well.

(Except for Jennings' claims in 2007 to the Loose with the Truth crew that he was on the 23rd floor at 0903, which is obviously not accurate, but the man was obviously confused when he said that.)

He was confused more than once that day. He also said the "explosion" happened on the 6th floor, but in the interviews both he and Hess said "it" happened at the 8th floor. This man was clearly shook up that day, which is understandable.

Nevertheless, we can not get away from the fact that Hess said they decided to start down in the dark after the power went out...i.e., this was their reason for descending. How could someone make that up, much less forget it?

If it gets dark because the power goes out, anyone with half a mind would come to the conclusion that, "Perhaps this might be a good time to go down these 23 floors..." (especially on 9/11). We can also be confident in knowing that person would never, ever forget this reason why he decided to make the descent.

 

[Galileo]

And something you trutherbots need to remember is that other people see the same bs you twist. Now the video has a time stamp in the beginning. How did DRG extrapolate that Jennings was 1/2 mile from the wtc and time stamps can be in error just as they were at the pentagon or did you forget they said 9/12/2001?

Because Griffin measured the distance from where the interview was to WTC 7.

Read his book, its not online. Real scholars do not spend 100% of their time on the Internet.

You've got nothing.

 

[~enigma~]

You have no evidence at all that Jennings is confused. You just don't believe him because what he and Hess say destroy your 9/11 conspiracy theory.

The NIST report doesn't even have Jennings or Hess' name in it. Good thing, because they hoped that Jennings would never discover that what he said was changed.

The evidence shows that NIST altered what Jennings has said in many interviews. NIST does not have any witnesses who contradict him either. NIST needs to produce their interview with Jennings, the taxpayers paid for it.

Jennings was in the east stairwell, far away from where any debris damage hit WTC 7.

Jennings was also near the area where the fire was seen out the window on the 7th floor, north face. That explosion is suspect number one for starting that fire.

Jennings was also near the area where the FEMA thermal maps show hot spots days after 9/11, hot spots from the explosion that almost killed Jennings and Hess.

Jennings was also near the area where NIST says "critical" failure occurred. But now when know that critical failure was related to the exploisions.

And remember, FEMA was told to only investigate WTC 7 from the 7 to 46th floor. Nice, since the Jennings explosion was below the 6th floor and the east penthouse was on the 47th floor.

And to top it all off, the fire alarm system was turned off at 6:47 A.M. This has never been followed up. If you want to commit arson or let a fire burn, turn off the fire alarms first. Who turned it off an why? This was a very high security building, not just anyone can do this.

I use this site to test theories by the 9/11 truth movement, to see which one are wrong, which ones we don't know, and which ones are right. The debunking so far on Jennings has been very LAME. L-A-M-E.

Jennings is right and you are wrong. Please don't let the facts get in the way of your theories.

Until you provide the video you are using hearsay and you might as well go peddle your bs on LCF and 9/11 blogger because it really isn't fooling anyone here.

 

[LashL]

<snipped for stupidity>

Now, I remember you... see ya'.

 

[Galileo]

I see. Well, you do realize, don't you, that the fact that you were personally unaware of the coverage for five years does not mean that it didn't exist, and does not mean that others here were unaware of it, right? Right?



Griffin is not a reliable source, sorry. Do you have anything else in support of your assertion?



I doubt it. Griffin is not a reliable source, so it won't do to take his word for it. You're going to have to show me. Sharing the video here so that those with the relevant expertise can analyze it will do just fine. Please post it asap.



My irony meter just exploded.

If I wasn't aware, maybe Jennings wasn't aware either. Ever think of that?

Griffin gives his name and source. If you don't agree with his analysis, that's a different matter. You use a fake name on the Internet, why should I believe you?

 

[Galileo]

Until you provide the video you are using hearsay and you might as well go peddle your bs on LCF and 9/11 blogger because it really isn't fooling anyone here.

I can't download his book here, its copyrighted. Go buy it or quit whining.

 

[~enigma~]

Because Griffin measured the distance from where the interview was to WTC 7.

Read his book, its not online. Real scholars do not spend 100% of their time on the Internet.

You've got nothing.

And all you have is hearsay...besides that, if anyone believes DRG measured the distance by hand, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell them or maybe some nice shorefront property in the Everglades.

 

[Galileo]

He was confused more than once that day. He also said the "explosion" happened on the 6th floor, but in the interviews both he and Hess said "it" happened at the 8th floor. This man was clearly shook up that day, which is understandable.

Nevertheless, we can not get away from the fact that Hess said they decided to start down in the dark after the power went out...i.e., this was their reason for descending. How could someone make that up, much less forget it?

If it gets dark because the power goes out, anyone with half a mind would come to the conclusion that, "Perhaps this might be a good time to go down these 23 floors..." (especially on 9/11). We can also be confident in knowing that person would never, ever forget this reason why he decided to make the descent.

You know exactly what he meant and so does Jennings. You're not fooling anyone.

 

[~enigma~]

I can't download his book here, its copyrighted. Go buy it or quit whining.

Didn't ask for the book. Did you misunderstand my post or can't you read? I clearly asked for the video. unless you provide that here, you are just blowing hot air and repeating hearsay.

 

[boloboffin]

Jennings was in a deserted OEM when the second plane hit?

I can't believe anyone thinks that actually makes sense. The staff didn't activate the OEM until after the first plane hit. When the second plane hits, the OEM requests the FAA to provide air security over New York. They were still there.

 

[LashL]

He was confused more than once that day. He also said the "explosion" happened on the 6th floor, but in the interviews both he and Hess said "it" happened at the 8th floor. This man was clearly shook up that day, which is understandable.

Nevertheless, we can not get away from the fact that Hess said they decided to start down in the dark after the power went out...i.e., this was their reason for descending. How could someone make that up, much less forget it?

If it gets dark because the power goes out, anyone with half a mind would come to the conclusion that, "Perhaps this might be a good time to go down these 23 floors..." (especially on 9/11). We can also be confident in knowing that person would never, ever forget this reason why he decided to make the descent.

Yes, the evidence clearly demonstrates that the account Mr. Jennings gave to the Loose with the Truth crew in 2007 is not consistent with the events of the day as described by others on the scene, and is inconsistent with his own early accounts of the events.

I can certainly understand why he would be confused, and I certainly understand why his memories of the day may have been muddled together after the trauma that he experienced, resulting in an account six years later that is "honest but mistaken". It happens all the time.

I have no reason to think that his 2007 account is motivated by malice, and unless and until I do, I would suggest that he is simply wrong due to confusion, trauma and the frailty of human memory.

I don't think there is anything further to be discussed in this thread at this point that hasn't been said before, so I will take my leave, but it will be interesting to see what Jennings says in the upcoming BBC show. I'll check back then.

Cheers,
Lash