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[HyJinX]

Do you think Mike Rotch is a freemason?

I know for a FACT that Amanda Hugankiss is.

 

[Bobert]

Funny that your handle abreviates to BS.
How ironic.

Please attack the argument, not the arguer or his/her name. Thank you.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives). Mike Hockney’s book The Armageddon Conspiracy will show you what’s really going on - though he's much too nice to the Masons in my opinion. The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc

Then perhaps rather than a sweeping generalization like "The Freemasons are evil and taking over the world", you should be saying something like "a few well-placed people in the top echelon of the Freemasons are evil and taking over the world." Otherwise, to use your comparison, it's like calling every member of the army evil.

Of course, it's still up to you to prove your assertion.

They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is

And how is it you know what Masonry truly is? Are you a member? One of the top ranking folks? Are you suggesting that someone who is a member knows less about the organization than you, who aren't? If they are secretly trying to take over the world, it would appear they're doing a singularly poor job of it (both the "secretly" and the "taking over" parts).

 

[dudalb]

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance). WASP = Freemason. Does it also equal skeptic? I wouldn't be surprised. How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?

Wow, that is a bunch of crap for one paragraph.

God, I think we have somewhat more literate ronpaulisright on our hands..someone who buys any stray conspiracy theory that comes along.
Notice how Blue Saragasso never sticks around in the threads he starts?
Only time will tell if we have a genuine nutcase on our hand or just a troll.

 

[The Big Dog]

Blue Sargasso:

Six Posts.
Six Threads.

One raging obsession with the Free Masons.

Here is my favorite Homer Simpson episode:

Bart: 'You're watching PBS?'
Homer: 'Hey, I'm as surprised as you, but I stumbled across the most delicious British sitcom.'
Bart: [reading title] 'Do Shut Up'?
Homer: 'It's about a hard-drinking yet loving family of soccer hooligans. If they're not having a go with the birds, they're having a row with the wankers.'

 

[Drudgewire]

Is there a way to completely ignore new threads started by someone on your ignore list. Because until BS (heh) posts at least one time in a thread he started and then fled from, I'd prefer to not even know he exists.

 

[dudalb]

Funny that your handle abreviates to BS.
How ironic.

Well played, sir,well played.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives).

However, infantrymen do have to actively participate in a war, should there be one, by, for example, firing guns at people, thus advancing their government's foreign policy objectives.

What is it that the lowly "grunts" in the army of Freemasonry actually do to achieve the sinister goals of the shadowy figures at the top?

The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc

Strange. You seem to be arguing that the people who are secretly running the world are the same people who are ostensibly running the world, or, to put it another way, that Bush is his own fall guy.

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance). WASP = Freemason.

Evidence?

 

[dudalb]

BTW, the same evidence that BS uses to prove the freemasons run America I can use to prove that the Episcopalians are the secret masters.

 

[Dog Town]

To answer the question posed by BS:
I think I like anything that scares the bejesus, out of twoofers. Anything you hardly boys don't like, can't be all bad.
As for making jokes at your expense, well, you folks are just so darn unintentionally hysterical. "And I don't care who ya are, that's funny!"

 

[1337m4n]

Why do paranoid maniacs hate the Freemasons so much?

 

[Drudgewire]

BTW, the same evidence that BS uses to prove the freemasons run America I can use to prove that the Episcopalians are the secret masters.

Umm... I mean, we most certainly are not.

 

[Arus808]

why does Blue Sargasso (BS) not participate in the threads he starts? I suggest that we ignore him and nay threads he starts until he participates in the ones he's already started.

HIT and RUN Poster guys. Best to ignore.

 

[Darat]

Folks remember your Membership Agreement - if you have nothing to add to the topic under discussion don't post.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Praktik]

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth.

What I find interesting about American history and the Masons is not so much the Masons themselves, but the Anti-Masonic Party, which as far as I know is the most successful party of its kind I've ever heard of. It was highly regional though, being located mostly in Pennsylvania and the northeast. The equivalent today would be having a 9/11 Truth political party elect a governor!

In any event, the success of that party - though short-lived - was evidence of a streak of conspiratorial thinking in American culture. We went from anti-masonry to anti-catholic conspiracies, "free silver" and fear of "bankers" (exploited handily by Presidents like Jackson and Polk). What explains the propensity of people to blame their problems on Masons - or today - the NWO?

Rapid societal change, a relatively vulnerable America (or at least feeling that way), economic uncertainty, the list goes on....

In any case - I think we're still paying for that history today, and its no surprise that the 9/11 conspiracy theories had such a fertile ground from which to grow - America after all has a long unbroken line of thinking that blames secret cabals and foreigners for their problems....

 

[gtc]

I wish the skeptics on this forum would show rather more intelligence in their replies to various postings. They often seem to reveal a wilful stupidity, usually so that they can crack some pathetic 'joke' for their friends' benefit.
(Cue pathetic joke in response to this. Don't bother...you're a bore!)

And then there are some posters for whom stupidity comes naturally....

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Actually, I always laugh at that gag. However, it is not wrong to use the 'harmless old guy or I'm one myself' argument. If you are suggesting that Freemasons are evil (as opposed to say, Freemasons are part of an evil movement); then you have to account for the fact that Freemasons tend not to be evil.

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought.

We do pause for thought. We think, 'This is, on the face of it, a ridiculous idea; they will need some good evidence to convince me.'. Then we read the rest of the post and there is never any evidence presented.

Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions.'/quote]

But your argument is that Freemasons are evil; that is each and every one. If yuo are suggesting that the ordinary members are not evil then you are changing your claim. However, if the upper echelon are evil and the ordinary members are simply doing their bidding then surely you could point to what evil actions the ordinary members are being asked to undertake. Then we get back to the fact that the ordinary members are not doing anything evil or immoral.

When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives).

I think that the members here from the infrantry will have something to say to you about this - you also need to show what evil things the ordinary Freemasons are being ordered to do.

Mike Hockney’s book The Armageddon Conspiracy will show you what’s really going on - though he's much too nice to the Masons in my opinion. The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc

Do you have any evidence about these claims?

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance).

That is actually not correct; there are numerous Catholic Freemasons.

WASP = Freemason.

So every White Anglo Saxon Protestant is now an evil Freemason and every Freemason is a White Anglo Saxon Protestant. I think this can be rebutted fairly easily.

Does it also equal skeptic?

Surprisingly enough, the skeptic movement even allows non-whites and non-Protestants to join. Heck, I have heard that there are even have some skeptics who don't believe in any religion.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Sadly, you are correct that you would not be surprised if this was true.

How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?

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Homer Simpson joke, anyone? Stonecutters blah blah blah.....Actually the funniest Simpsons joke was when the Aliens announced that they weren't doing any more anal probes because they had learned all they could from that particular avenue of discovery. One gets the same impression when dealing with the laugh-a-minute cackling skeptics. In their case, they need to do a lot more probing!!!

You complain about stone-cutter jokes and then you make an anal-probe joke.

How sad.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

You know its hard to take all the anti-Mason people seriously when their so wrong on even the most basic facts of Freemasonry.

 

[fitzgibbon]

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Maybe it's because those making the original assertion in no believable way back up their assertions. And usually, those making the assertions also assert that Masonry is monolithic world entity, completely ignoring the fact that Masonry in the States is a state-by-state thing with each state Grand Lodge separate and equal and not in any way controlled by any overarching body. The same applies here in Canada. Kind of makes claiming a worldwide Masonic conspiracy equivalent to herding cats.

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything.

Imagine an army where the general is only at the top of the heap for one year before being replaced by his immediate junior officer who, in turn, will only be at the top of the heap for a year before being replaced by his immediate junior officer. And so on. And so on. And so on. [/QUOTE]

Also factor-in that the general can't do anything without the approval of a majority of his infantrymen. Remember the cat herding thing?

The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts.

Hate to break it to you but Masonry's a democracy. You want to answer just how the "generals" are going to pull the wool over everyone's eyes?

These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives).

Wrong and wrong. But thanks for playing.

The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration;

Guess what? Neither Bush is a Freemason. Skull and Bones =/= Masonry. But again, thanks for playing.

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons.

Citation please! Care to hazard a guess who the most recent Freemason president was?

JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance).

You sure had to dig deep for that chunk of lead.

WASP = Freemason.

Guess what? Sikh=Freemason. Jew=Freemason. Protestant=Freemason. Islamic=Freemason. See a pattern developing here?

Does it also equal skeptic? I wouldn't be surprised. How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?

Seems to me that you're treading awfully close to stundie territory with that assertion.

 

[CptColumbo]

I wish the skeptics on this forum would show rather more intelligence in their replies to various postings. They often seem to reveal a wilful stupidity, usually so that they can crack some pathetic 'joke' for their friends' benefit.
(Cue pathetic joke in response to this. Don't bother...you're a bore!)

I don't doubt that your post are ridiculed a lot, but when a post has no real basis in reality it's hard to not mock it.

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

It really sucks when someone who might know something about what your writing decides to chime in and offer an opinion.

 

[Jon_Stripe]

Question/comments to thread starter...

O.k., I've read your thread but can you provide me with some more compelling evidence of your idea? Please, I'm not a "skeptic" per-say but I like to look at things from multiple sides and views to come to a conclusion I find fit. If you simply tell us that they ARE evil and we need to listen to everything you say that makes us as bad as sheep. For us to take everything you say with out our own thought imput thats simply brainwashing.

It's not that I don't believe there is a 'big picture' but I would like to see reasoning for your conclusion.