Lord Language Resurrection.

[ddt]

While I spent some time in my misspent youth on language design, I never finished that work and probably never will.

But the itch to, one day, design the ultimate language, never really completely disappears, does it

All of my research effort is on algorithms now.

And by that you mean real algorithms - I mean, not the umpteenth payroll program?

The languages that I've used for research and software development are all very mainstream and effective: C, C++, PL/SQL, C#

You use Oracle and you don't use Java???

 

[Complexity]

But the itch to, one day, design the ultimate language, never really completely disappears, does it

It hasn't completely disappeared, but it sure as hell is dormant.

I figured out many years ago that I'll never have time to finish a fraction of what I'd really like to finish, and language design hasn't made the cut.

And by that you mean real algorithms - I mean, not the umpteenth payroll program?

Yep, real algorithms - boolean satisfiability, boolean simplification, graph isomorphism, subgraph isomorphism, maximal cliques, maximum cliques, k-clique exists, factoring composite integers into two factors, stuff like that.

I had at least one thread here at JREF Forum describing several of these problems. I believe the thread title is "Some Favorite Problems". I tried searching for it, but after three tries with the search never returning, I give up.

You use Oracle and you don't use Java???

One job required that I program entirely in PL/SQL. I like it, but don't have need for it currently, though that may change.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Let us presume that we have devices that can make translation between every couple of languages as professional synchronize translator.
It means that person of every nation can remain his national language monolingual with ability to communicate with every nation man worldwide.
It is a matter of fact that even today we are very close to realization of such situation.

And what we see.
Most people simply do not want to communicate with each other.
In addition to translation devices we need a system that will find to every person all worldwide persons that correlate with him creatively, spiritually and psychologically.
Simply as more you communicate with such persons - as more creative abilities you fill and those persons fill the same.

So in this case multinational worldwide society principally need not any lingual franca language.

But it is a well known fact that bilingual person statistically much more competitive than monolingual one.
So it is much better to form from our children bilingual persons from their childhood and not monolingual ones.

In this way the world has a trend to reform from national monolingual form to bilingual and even multilingual model.
It will be Bilingual nationalistic New World principally with out common lingual franca language.

The question is will it be any language that will be dominant in this Multicultural World of Bicultural Persons model?
My answer – yes it will be such language if people will become really Abraham religious so called “book people”.

There is one principal point – in future bilingual or trilingual or even multilingual world – the man has to know two or more languages natively or not to know them at all for be equal person in his bilingual or multilingual language environments.

That why I desire to learn two, three, four languages only in childhood and only natively.
Internet gives to all world children those possibilities.

Commonly today’s child has to know natively the language of his father, the language of his mother, the language of his residency state, lingual franca language English, Bible Hebrew if his parents are Abraham Religious persons, Arabic if his parents are Muslims.
Parents can chose from this set of languages.
In the most cases it will be English, one national language and Hebrew.
In many cases for not Arabic Muslims it will be English, national language, Arabic, Hebrew.
For huge nations it will be some variants: 1English, Chines, Hebrew (for Christians and Muslims), Arabic for Muslims.
2 English, Spanish, Hebrew.
3 English, Arabic, Hebrew.
4 English, Hindi, Hebrew (for Christians and Muslims), Arabic (for Muslims).

So we see in the most cases English (1 place), Hebrew (2 place), Arabic (3 place) as common languages.

I agree with you that we need not mandate English or Hebrew or Arabic to be common language.
But it has to mandate categorical prohibition for monolingual education of children all over the world.
You see that according this analyze most world children have to be natively known national language – English – Hebrew trilingual person.
Most Muslim’s children have to be national language – Arabic – English – Hebrew quadrolingual persons.

So let us change the world from monolingual natively speaking to bilingual trilingual quadrolingual multilingual really multicultural world.


Look!
Theoretically bicultural person is richer than monocultural one.
But in really life bicultural and multicultural persons are second sorting so-called “not clean” persons in monolingual society.
Why we almost do not know about bi - national people?
Why we have no rights to chose the nation?
Multi religious, multi professions, multilingual, Trans cultural, multicultural, multi citizenship, etc – it is a portrait of future really free man of multicultural Global World.


“Nationalcosmopolitan’s Theorem” that he can’t prove exactly and correctly.
Let us presume that United Nations Organization will give a possibility to every worldwide child to know natively two more languages together with his national one according his parents chose till the age of 7 years old. (New communication age gives these possibilities very easy by using Internet video and audio communication systems)
In this case in future every two accidentally chosen persons will have even though one common language for communication that they natively know with possibility 99%.
Most possibly it will be English, than according level of possibility goes Hebrew, than Chines, than Hindi, than Arabic, than Spanish.

In this case I will chose for my future grandchildren one Indo European Language (English because it is lingual franca), one South East Asian language (Chines because it is the language of future world leader) and one Semitic Language (Hebrew because it is Holy Resurrected Bible and my national language).
Russian I hope they will know natively from me.
With such three main group of languages basis they know natively I hope it will be easy to them to learn every other national languages they need in there multicultural life.

 

[six7s]

Let us presume that we have devices that can make translation between every couple of languages as professional synchronize translator

Hmmm... maybe... ok...

It means that person of every nation can remain his national language monolingual with ability to communicate with every nation man worldwide

I guess you ain't got no such device, or - if you do - it's broken

It is a matter of fact that even today we are very close to realization of such situation.

Waddaya mean we?

 

[slingblade]

You dug it up, you Evil Zombie-Thread Master.

 

[six7s]

I thang u

 

[jimbob]

Of course the babelfish, by removing barriers to communication, created more conflict than anything else in the universe.

ETA: This post is in honour of Six7s' name

 

[slingblade]

I wouldn't want to go anywhere without my wonderful towel.


Crap. I've just started another war.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Six7s!
Do you agree that children monolingual education should to be forbidden worldwide?
Bilingual and even trilingual pocket of languages to every child according his parents free election.
Do you agree with these points in principal?

 

[six7s]

Do you agree that children monolingual education should to be forbidden worldwide?

Unfortunately, your grasp of English is so tenuous that I have no real idea what you are asking...



However, if you were to ask if I think that 'parents and teachers should be encouraged to raise bi or multilingual children', I would say yes. But... and its a big BUT... I can't see why ANYONE (other than Jews) in ANY of the countries I have been to would even think of Hebrew as being a prime candidate

Bilingual and even trilingual pocket of languages to every child according his parents free election.

I can't even begin to decipher that sentence

Can you?

 

[articulett]

Not me...

Six7s, you are the Lord of this threads resurrection...

 

[six7s]

Is that a good thing to be?

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

However, if you were to ask if I think that 'parents and teachers should be encouraged to raise bi or multilingual children', I would say yes. But... and its a big BUT... I can't see why ANYONE (other than Jews) in ANY of the countries I have been to would even think of Hebrew as being a prime candidate

Parents and teachers all over the world should be encouraged to raise trilingual children.
Parents and teachers all over the world should be forbidden to raise monolingual children.
Trilingual person means three languages known natively person.

In the list of languages for free election by parents have to be all languages, including Esperanto, Latin, Coiner, Aramaic.

Let us name this global project – Trilingual Persons Word.
The sponsors of this project can be UN, UNESCO, Microsoft, Googol, Intel, IBM, and some others.

About Holly Resurrected Language I can say that if people will come back to Holly Scripture they will surely choose Hebrew in their children trilingual pocket.

One more point.
Today we have 2 billions of people speaking English.
600 millions know English natively and 1400 millions know English as a second language.
I don’t want the situation when English Second Language people mean second sort people compare natively speaking English people.
In Trilingual Persons World will not be such pressing from native language monolinguals on second language bilinguals as I get from six7s.
I am absolutely sure that he understands me very well but he simply does not want creative communication with me.
Lingua racism has to be punished.

 

[Hokulele]

Parents and teachers all over the world should be forbidden to raise monolingual children.

I completely disagree. This would require a global agency tasked with examining every child on the planet, and punishing those parents who fail to meet your standard. Aside from being a major invasion of personal rights and privacy, and aside from the sheer logistical absurdity, a global agency authorized by a religious body is something I, and many other people, would fight tooth and nail.

What a horrible, horrible idea.

 

[six7s]

Parents and teachers all over the world should be forbidden to raise monolingual children.

As Hokulele said, this proposal is absurd

What a horrible, horrible idea.

Horrible and ridiculous and sad... sad that someone who can type so much waffle can't think long enough to form one coherent thought

free election by parents

To me, this phrase is (literally) nonsensical

Let us name this global project – Trilingual Persons Word.

I presume you mean worLd... but, as you suggest Micro$oft (a business headed by an atheist), who knows?

About Holly Resurrected Language

Holy... hoLy...maybe that's where your go-to L ended up?

if people will come back to Holly Scripture

Forget the spelling.... Waddaya mean 'come back'? Please note: the planet has long been populated by an overwhelming majority of people who never had ANY need (let alone want) to read or listen to the words ascribed to your god and his 'chosen people'

they will surely choose Hebrew in their children trilingual pocket.

What consenting wooists choose to waste their time on is their business... but stuffing your crap in their kids' pockets is tantamount to abuse

I don’t want the situation when English Second Language people mean second sort people compare natively speaking English people.

More gibberish - please avail yourself of a translator

In Trilingual Persons World will not be such pressing from native language monolinguals on second language bilinguals as I get from six7s.

Make that 'a translator with a high tolerance for bollocks'

I am absolutely sure that he understands me very well but he simply does not want creative communication with me.

You're absolutely bonkers, me old China

All I really understand is that you somehow stumbled upon this critical thinking forum armed with a bag full of indecipherable woo and, for some unfathomable reason, you still expect sceptics to buy it - despite being told, in no uncertain terms (especially so in posts 8, 12, 14 and 35) that your god is quite widely regarded as worthless

Lingua racism has to be punished.

OK.... maybe this is just feeding the troll, but I want to ask:

Punished? How? and By whom?

 

[gambling_cruiser]

Punished by GAWD, YAHWEH or some other abrahamic sucker god, maybe pushed by bad KARMA like Katrina (oh Nawlins was Babel II, had to be destroyed otherwise sin would spread!).
It's fun to spout nonsense.

 

[ddt]

It's been fun lurking in this thread, but let me now add my 2 cents too.

Parents and teachers all over the world should be encouraged to raise trilingual children.

Laudable idea, as long as it's just that - encouraging. But where do you get the third parent? Bilingual children are raised by parents with different native tongues, and they consequently each communicate with the child in their own tongue.

In the list of languages for free election by parents have to be all languages, including Esperanto, Latin, Coiner, Aramaic.

What's Coiner? Do you mean Koine Greek? Three of those languages are next-to useless for modern day communication.

Today we have 2 billions of people speaking English.
600 millions know English natively and 1400 millions know English as a second language.
I don’t want the situation when English Second Language people mean second sort people compare natively speaking English people.

Your posts suggest an ulterior motive for your dislike of English as second language, viz. that your own English is lousy.

 

[The_Fire]

Funny thing about latin. I used to be pretty good at it. Scored 11 (A-) in the Danish equivellant of High School in it too (To the Danes= Det betyder "Gymnasiet"). Today I can't remember an ounce of it. Why?

BECAUSE IT'S DEAD, JIM!

And so are the insane idea of introducing Hebrew as a common language just because it's "Holy".

And if you really mean "Holly" I don't see what a tree have to do with it....

 

[The_Fire]

Your posts suggest an ulterior motive for your dislike of English as second language, viz. that your own English is lousy.

Countdown to Godwin in 3.2.1.....

 

[ddt]

Countdown to Godwin in 3.2.1.....

??? He doesn't promote German as universal second language, does he?

****, this way your remark becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy