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Here is one rescue worker who was "in on it"

He was wrong? Why did he say it in the first place? "Blow up" is a very different concept to "collapse"
yes, blow up is very different than collapse, are you claiming WTC 7 blew up? because i thought the truthers claim it collapsed due to explosive demolition (this is also a very different concept than blowing up)

as for why he said it, how should i know? if i was psychic id be a million dollars richer
 
Ryan, this is an error in your knowledge base or a deceitful statement. The following evidence hopefully will assist you in your knowledge base or expose the deceit in your statement.
1. USA Today and MSNBC both report authorities working hypothesis.
USA Today
MSNBC-Rick Sanchez
To date, there has been no retraction of the report.

Nor was there the first hint of a folow up of their first impression, The speculation of a van bomb is based on there being a blast and burn victims in the basement. That does not account for the burn victims on th lobby. Utter FAIL.

Have you ever seen an oxygen genrator? They would look like bombs to a non-bomb-trained technician. No reports of a confirmed bomb from the police. FAIL.

Itr is not even clear whether or not Sanchez is aware, as they show the live footage on the screen, that what he experienced was not a massive bomb, but the collapse of a tower. He was close enough to GZ that he might not yet have seen the big hole in the sky where the south tower was supposed to be.

FAIL.
 
Early news reports made guesses of 20,000 based on the number of people normally in the WTC buildings. But of course as a standard twoofer author, you didn't really pay much attention that day, you just started reading conspiracy tabloids later on.

And this is the same kind of thing as when the press announced that the VA miners that were trapped were all alive, only to find out they were actually dead. You kids are going to need a better tactic than taking people's wording and news reports out of context.


You got a link to these reports of 20,000 people killed?
 
Please link to these reports of at least 20,000 people killed. I dont remember this. All the n ews media said they had no ida of numbers


What, exactly do you want me to link to? These were live reports during the day and following night where talking heads speculated on the large death toll.

Do you seriously mean to tell me you don't recall these reports? It wasn't a suprise that we lost so few people in the collapse of two 110 story skyscrapers?

So you are saying they got the death toll right?
 
What, exactly do you want me to link to? These were live reports during the day and following night where talking heads speculated on the large death toll.

Do you seriously mean to tell me you don't recall these reports? It wasn't a suprise that we lost so few people in the collapse of two 110 story skyscrapers?

So you are saying they got the death toll right?

Umm....you do realize that archive.org has archived virtually all of the news coverage of the first few days?

Back up your claim or retract it. i have watched all the coverage and NOBODY claims that at least 20,000 were killed.
 
It wasn't a suprise that we lost so few people in the collapse of two 110 story skyscrapers?

So you are saying they got the death toll right?

Exactly... on any given business day the the two towers would be occupied by up to 50,000 people... in fact, it's fortunate that the plane hit when they did... when the towers were opening up for business...

Considering the usual number of people occupying, i'd say that the death toll WAS surprisingly low compare to what it could have been...
 
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I remember hearing similar numbers because the towers could hold ALOT OF PEOPLE.
Besisdes it was a very chaotic event so things got reported that later turned out to not be true.
 
Umm....you do realize that archive.org has archived virtually all of the news coverage of the first few days?

Back up your claim or retract it. i have watched all the coverage and NOBODY claims that at least 20,000 were killed.

There were numerous speculative estimates of over 10,000 people... and it decreased as missing people were found or they corrected the figures as clean up advanced...

I don't know about the 20,000 numbers, but it started significantly higher than it ultimately ended up being...
 
Exactly... on any given business day the the two towers would be occupied by up to 50,000 people... in fact, it's fortunate that the plane hit when they did... when the towers were opening up for business...

Considering the usual number of people occupying, i'd say that the death toll WAS surprisingly low compare to what it could have been...

Yes exactly!
I read one report that the numbers may have been so low becaue it was the first day of school so lots of partents went into work late that day.
 
Umm....you do realize that archive.org has archived virtually all of the news coverage of the first few days?

Back up your claim or retract it. i have watched all the coverage and NOBODY claims that at least 20,000 were killed.

Look, if you want to play dumb, fine, I'll play along.

I hereby retract my statement (reserving the right to revise the numbers if I get bored enough later to find a clip).

However, the NY Police expertly said that somewhere between 6500-7000 people died in the WTCs A WEEK LATER.

Now, given they are the experts, and they had a week to get it right, where are the bodies?
 
There were numerous speculative estimates of over 10,000 people... and it decreased as missing people were found or they corrected the figures as clean up advanced...

I don't know about the 20,000 numbers, but it started significantly higher than it ultimately ended up being...


I vividly recall the first numbers I heard late morning, the "running out of the debris as the building was falling so they have to be right" numbers, were 20-25,000. Almost immediatly they were revised down as people realized it was too early for the buildings to be fully occupied.

But my point still stands. All the media and experts were wrong. Not because they were incompetent, but becuase it was a tremendously stressful situation and anything said at the time needs to be taken with a rather large grain of salt.
 
Look, if you want to play dumb, fine, I'll play along.

I hereby retract my statement (reserving the right to revise the numbers if I get bored enough later to find a clip).

However, the NY Police expertly said that somewhere between 6500-7000 people died in the WTCs A WEEK LATER.

Now, given they are the experts, and they had a week to get it right, where are the bodies?


Link to the NYPD saying this?
 
I vividly recall the first numbers I heard late morning, the "running out of the debris as the building was falling so they have to be right" numbers, were 20-25,000. Almost immediatly they were revised down as people realized it was too early for the buildings to be fully occupied.

But my point still stands. All the media and experts were wrong. Not because they were incompetent, but becuase it was a tremendously stressful situation and anything said at the time needs to be taken with a rather large grain of salt.

The figures may have been speculative, however I agree with your point nonetheless
 
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Link to the NYPD saying this?

Here:

• The number of dead was overestimated. The actual death toll is about 2,800, including rescue workers and the 157 people on the two jets. The New York Police Department's official estimate has fallen from 6,659 on Sept. 24 to 3,011 on Dec. 18. It continues to decline as police remove duplicate and inaccurate missing-persons reports. The initial estimates led to claims that Sept. 11 was the bloodiest day in U.S. history. According to USA TODAY's current count, the death toll from all four hijackings is 3,040, excluding the 19 hijackers. That's more than the 2,388 who died at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, but fewer than the 3,654 who died Sept. 17, 1862, in the Civil War battle at Antietam, Md.

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You should read the rest of the article. It makes my case that the number of deaths were greatly exaggerated in the early hours of the attack.

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Now answer my damn question. Where are the rest of the bodies that I was told about?
 
And what would this rescue worker possible gain from being "in on it" oh self-proclaimed wise one?
 
Posted by Hemos on Tue Sep 11, 2001 12:38 PM
from the things-are-gonna-change dept.
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I'm trying to get stuff together, and post an update: The Pentagon, which evidently has partly collapsed with a chasm 200-300 feet across, and fires on six stories, has ordered the USS JFK and George Washington into NYC. PLEASE GIVE BLOOD. Over 200 firemen are reported missing, and reports of 50,000 dead in the WTC collapse are being bandied about. Dick Cheney has assumed control of the White House, and is in the situation room there. GWB is not returning to the White House until things have calmed down -- and has gone evidently to an undisclosed location. The [CDC] in Atlanta has largely evacuated but has activated their bioterrorism units. American Airlines flight 11, the first to crash into the WTC, was going from BOS -> LAX. There are rumors of Akamai's founder being onboard on Flight 11, As well, the rumor is that the pilot of United Flight 193 flew it in into the ground, outside Pittsburgh, rather then fly into the USX building, which if true, makes him a better person then I -- but there are also rumors that it was shot down by a F-16. United Flight 175 also crashed into the WTC, according to Boston.com, and originated from Boston -- so the WTC was both Boston flights. Reports of a car bomb that was supposed to have gone off int front the State Department have been denied. In a statement, the Taliban government of Afghanistan has denied any involvement, and Yassar Arafat has denounced the attack. Remember: No one knows who did this yet, so don't make any assumptions -- remember what people first thought about the OKC attack. In other news, the US - Mexico/Canada borders are being heavily screened; all air traffic has been grounded; nationwide federal buildings are being evacuated; NATO personnel in Brussells have been sent home, Israeli embassies worldwide have been evacuated, all U.S. Disney parks shut down; major parts of European cities, Britain in particular, are being shut down; stock trading is shut down in all major European and American exchanges. There are 50 flights still in the air, with 2 international flights that have yet to respond. F16s from the US Air Force has been instructed to shoot down flights in a no fly zone over NYC & DC - an AVI of the WTC plane or mpeg here. More as we know.Update: 09/11 18:10 PM GMT by H :I've heard on NPR that all flights and planes are now accounted for -- but that a fifth crash has occurred in an undisclosed location. As well, a car bomb did go off in front of the State Department, and there was a crash near Camp David. There's a well done timeline - we also had a report from someone who lives 3 miles away from the PA crash. Evidently the plane veered several times, and then smashed into an abandoned strip mine - which was luckily not near any people or anything.

http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20010911
 
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